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Basically, this is a guy that the Patriots felt was not ever gonna be good enough to protect Tom Brady.
Basically, this is a guy that the Patriots felt was not ever gonna be good enough to protect Tom Brady.
Ironic that the Pats keep taking our cast offs and getting good production from them.......wonder which team is making the right choices.....
Id say we won the Mingo decision.....but lost all the others.....
The one thing Id point to, when signing a player cut by the Pats, is that they are MUCH deeper than we are.....so, their cast offs "should" be much better than our cast offs...on average, at least....
Yet, even w/o talent or depth, we seem to keep cutting guys who get picked up and being productive for good teams.....while we continue to struggle to fill their positions.....weird eh?
Note: Billy decided Collins couldnt help the Pats, yet he's probably our best player on Defense.....so how does that work?
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Basically, this is a guy that the Patriots felt was not ever gonna be good enough to protect Tom Brady.
Ironic that the Pats keep taking our cast offs and getting good production from them.......wonder which team is making the right choices.....
Id say we won the Mingo decision.....but lost all the others.....
The one thing Id point to, when signing a player cut by the Pats, is that they are MUCH deeper than we are.....so, their cast offs "should" be much better than our cast offs...on average, at least....
Yet, even w/o talent or depth, we seem to keep cutting guys who get picked up and being productive for good teams.....while we continue to struggle to fill their positions.....weird eh?
Note: Billy decided Collins couldnt help the Pats, yet he's probably our best player on Defense.....so how does that work?
Ironic that the Pats keep taking our cast offs and getting good production from them.......wonder which team is making the right choices.....
Id say we won the Mingo decision.....but lost all the others.....
The one thing Id point to, when signing a player cut by the Pats, is that they are MUCH deeper than we are.....so, their cast offs "should" be much better than our cast offs...on average, at least....
Yet, even w/o talent or depth, we seem to keep cutting guys who get picked up and being productive for good teams.....while we continue to struggle to fill their positions.....weird eh?
Note: Billy decided Collins couldnt help the Pats, yet he's probably our best player on Defense.....so how does that work?
Can't tell if sarcastic or just flat out stupid...
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Ironic that the Pats keep taking our cast offs and getting good production from them.......wonder which team is making the right choices.....
Id say we won the Mingo decision.....but lost all the others.....
The one thing Id point to, when signing a player cut by the Pats, is that they are MUCH deeper than we are.....so, their cast offs "should" be much better than our cast offs...on average, at least....
Yet, even w/o talent or depth, we seem to keep cutting guys who get picked up and being productive for good teams.....while we continue to struggle to fill their positions.....weird eh?
Note: Billy decided Collins couldnt help the Pats, yet he's probably our best player on Defense.....so how does that work?
Can't tell if sarcastic or just flat out stupid...
Can't tell if sarcastic or just flat out stupid...
I dont know, because there is no point or football content to your comment.....
So, I will stoop to your level and reply......"Cant always tell, but I often think you're both...."
Your turn.....
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Basically, this is a guy that the Patriots felt was not ever gonna be good enough to protect Tom Brady.
Ironic that the Pats keep taking our cast offs and getting good production from them.......wonder which team is making the right choices.....
Id say we won the Mingo decision.....but lost all the others.....
The one thing Id point to, when signing a player cut by the Pats, is that they are MUCH deeper than we are.....so, their cast offs "should" be much better than our cast offs...on average, at least....
Yet, even w/o talent or depth, we seem to keep cutting guys who get picked up and being productive for good teams.....while we continue to struggle to fill their positions.....weird eh?
Note: Billy decided Collins couldnt help the Pats, yet he's probably our best player on Defense.....so how does that work?
Ironic that the Pats keep taking our cast offs and getting good production from them.......wonder which team is making the right choices.....
I am not sure how you are figuring this. What ex-Browns players have done all that with the Pats?
Mingo? Sheard? I don't think these guys did any better at all with them than they did here. Who else? We don't know about Hawkins yet.
Again...detail those ex-Browns who did all that great with NE. I am hard pressed to find them.
Id say we won the Mingo decision.....but lost all the others.....
The one thing Id point to, when signing a player cut by the Pats, is that they are MUCH deeper than we are.....so, their cast offs "should" be much better than our cast offs...on average, at least....
Yet, even w/o talent or depth, we seem to keep cutting guys who get picked up and being productive for good teams.....while we continue to struggle to fill their positions.....weird eh?
Yea, weird...because, as I said...I am hard pressed to find them. You made this statement....now produce your evidence.
Note: Billy decided Collins couldnt help the Pats, yet he's probably our best player on Defense.....so how does that work?
Because Belichick can be on occasion a venal person. He WILL cut guys that are better than the person he replaces them with. We all know this from the Kosar/Philcox fiasco.
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It's revisionist history to say bill didn't think he could use Collins. Don't just make shit up.
He had to decide who to pay, only so much money to go around. He chose hightower...
It's revisionist history to say bill didn't think he could use Collins. Don't just make shit up.
He had to decide who to pay, only so much money to go around. He chose hightower...
Make shit up?.....the word was that Collins was a loose cannon and would not work within Bills system....ie, he free lanced and did what he wanted.....which is the reason he was expendable....
I have no issue with Collins, just pointing out that "because the pats didnt keep him, does not mean he sucks"
Our coach seems to agree with the free lance thing....since he said so....but says he likes Collins and thinks he'll help the team, so thats all that matters...
Ironic that the Pats keep taking our cast offs and getting good production from them.......wonder which team is making the right choices.....
I am not sure how you are figuring this. What ex-Browns players have done all that with the Pats?
Again...detail those ex-Browns who did all that great with NE. I am hard pressed to find them.
First....I didnt say any were great....but I will say they did better than the guys we replaced them with....so, Sheard is a good example....we let him go and kept Kruger and Mingo......how'd that work out?.....Sheard started for a Super Bowl team and now is a starter for Indy......Mingo and Kruger?.....dont even think they have teams now.....oh wait, Mingo is backing up Sheard in Indy and Kruges is unsigned.....good choice there....
Dion Lewis is another guy we cut, who is a productive member of the Pats.....and, Hawk is a proven productive player who we dont have a replacement for....so, not matter what he does there, we have chopped yet another player w/o first having a replacement for him....
Which is my mantra....when we need players, then let guys go(w/o replacements) and those guys go elsewhere and produce....it bothers the hell out of me....happens time and time again....
Yet, even w/o talent or depth, we seem to keep cutting guys who get picked up and being productive for good teams.....while we continue to struggle to fill their positions.....weird eh?
Yea, weird...because, as I said...I am hard pressed to find them. You made this statement....now produce your evidence.
We have needed WR's for years now.....easily its been a top priority since 2012-13, yes?.....and it still is.....and we have no slot guys.....yet Gabe, Hawkins, Snead & Pryor will all be catching balls for other teams, while we continue the search for wr...
Last year our DB's sucked and Safety was clarified as our weakest position, yet we let our 2 starters walk...correct?.....w/o replacements...so, we had zero safeties and the ones we let walked started for other teams....
Last year we cut Dansby, who had another 100 plus tackles, while we got Davis....
We watched our old center win a super bowl, while we had a turn style at center.....
Note: Billy decided Collins couldnt help the Pats, yet he's probably our best player on Defense.....so how does that work?
Because Belichick can be on occasion a venal person. He WILL cut guys that are better than the person he replaces them with. We all know this from the Kosar/Philcox fiasco.
Then he has a LOT in common with our FO......
I guess the main points I was trying to make got missed.....
1) Just because the pats cut this OL, does not mean he sucks......and Collins is an example of that......
2) The Browns have cut a lot of talent, that other teams seem to like.....and, while this can be said for many teams, it hurts worse when you have the least amount of talent in the league.....and when you do it with guys who have shown the belong on our team or are better than the guys we chose to keep......
Most teams have several players at each position, right?....because you need depth, right?.....so when a team allows starter after starter to walk.....and cuts multiple starters(as we have done), it seems to be trimming the wrong end of our talent tree......why cut starters instead of third stringers?....why release your starter so you can start his back up?.....makes no sense....if the back up is better, then make him your starter.....and only "replace" a guy, when you have a better talent to do so....
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Can't tell if sarcastic or just flat out stupid...
I dont know, because there is no point or football content to your comment.....
So, I will stoop to your level and reply......"Cant always tell, but I often think you're both...."
Your turn.....
I dont know, because there is no point or football content to your comment.....
So, I will stoop to your level and reply......"Cant always tell, but I often think you're both...."
Your turn.....
Can't tell if fat man or butch lesbian....
Let's keep this rollin
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Let's not... not down this alley anyway.
You both know football... how 'bout debating your takes?
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Can't tell if fat man or butch lesbian....
Let's keep this rollin
Fat lesbian named butch.....but you were close man...
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Let's not... not down this alley anyway.
You both know football... how 'bout debating your takes?
Let's not... not down this alley anyway.
You both know football... how 'bout debating your takes?
I'm just messing with Mud, I think he knows that. He's in that gray area of people I fuck with but can still actually talk football with.
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I'm just messing with Mud, I think he knows that. He's in that gray area of people I fuck with but can still actually talk football with.
And no one knows that area better than I, but I'm not sure Mud does...
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So they're churning the bottom of the roster.. note that good teams constantly do this, because they're trying to find a way to increase all parts of their roster.
He won't displace Zeitler any time soon, but he might make the battle for the last OL roster spot interesting.
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It's revisionist history to say bill didn't think he could use Collins. Don't just make shit up.
He had to decide who to pay, only so much money to go around. He chose hightower...
Make shit up?.....the word was that Collins was a loose cannon and would not work within Bills system....ie, he free lanced and did what he wanted.....which is the reason he was expendable....
I have no issue with Collins, just pointing out that "because the pats didnt keep him, does not mean he sucks"
Our coach seems to agree with the free lance thing....since he said so....but says he likes Collins and thinks he'll help the team, so thats all that matters...
Ironic that the Pats keep taking our cast offs and getting good production from them.......wonder which team is making the right choices.....
I am not sure how you are figuring this. What ex-Browns players have done all that with the Pats?
Again...detail those ex-Browns who did all that great with NE. I am hard pressed to find them.
First....I didnt say any were great....but I will say they did better than the guys we replaced them with....so, Sheard is a good example....we let him go and kept Kruger and Mingo......how'd that work out?.....Sheard started for a Super Bowl team and now is a starter for Indy......Mingo and Kruger?.....dont even think they have teams now.....oh wait, Mingo is backing up Sheard in Indy and Kruges is unsigned.....good choice there....
Dion Lewis is another guy we cut, who is a productive member of the Pats.....and, Hawk is a proven productive player who we dont have a replacement for....so, not matter what he does there, we have chopped yet another player w/o first having a replacement for him....
Which is my mantra....when we need players, then let guys go(w/o replacements) and those guys go elsewhere and produce....it bothers the hell out of me....happens time and time again....
Yet, even w/o talent or depth, we seem to keep cutting guys who get picked up and being productive for good teams.....while we continue to struggle to fill their positions.....weird eh?
Yea, weird...because, as I said...I am hard pressed to find them. You made this statement....now produce your evidence.
We have needed WR's for years now.....easily its been a top priority since 2012-13, yes?.....and it still is.....and we have no slot guys.....yet Gabe, Hawkins, Snead & Pryor will all be catching balls for other teams, while we continue the search for wr...
Last year our DB's sucked and Safety was clarified as our weakest position, yet we let our 2 starters walk...correct?.....w/o replacements...so, we had zero safeties and the ones we let walked started for other teams....
Last year we cut Dansby, who had another 100 plus tackles, while we got Davis....
We watched our old center win a super bowl, while we had a turn style at center.....
Note: Billy decided Collins couldnt help the Pats, yet he's probably our best player on Defense.....so how does that work?
Because Belichick can be on occasion a venal person. He WILL cut guys that are better than the person he replaces them with. We all know this from the Kosar/Philcox fiasco.
Then he has a LOT in common with our FO......
I guess the main points I was trying to make got missed.....
1) Just because the pats cut this OL, does not mean he sucks......and Collins is an example of that......
2) The Browns have cut a lot of talent, that other teams seem to like.....and, while this can be said for many teams, it hurts worse when you have the least amount of talent in the league.....and when you do it with guys who have shown the belong on our team or are better than the guys we chose to keep......
Most teams have several players at each position, right?....because you need depth, right?.....so when a team allows starter after starter to walk.....and cuts multiple starters(as we have done), it seems to be trimming the wrong end of our talent tree......why cut starters instead of third stringers?....why release your starter so you can start his back up?.....makes no sense....if the back up is better, then make him your starter.....and only "replace" a guy, when you have a better talent to do so....
Make shit up?.....the word was that Collins was a loose cannon and would not work within Bills system....ie, he free lanced and did what he wanted.....which is the reason he was expendable....
I have no issue with Collins, just pointing out that "because the pats didnt keep him, does not mean he sucks"
Our coach seems to agree with the free lance thing....since he said so....but says he likes Collins and thinks he'll help the team, so thats all that matters...
I guess the main points I was trying to make got missed.....
1) Just because the pats cut this OL, does not mean he sucks......and Collins is an example of that......
2) The Browns have cut a lot of talent, that other teams seem to like.....and, while this can be said for many teams, it hurts worse when you have the least amount of talent in the league.....and when you do it with guys who have shown the belong on our team or are better than the guys we chose to keep......
Most teams have several players at each position, right?....because you need depth, right?.....so when a team allows starter after starter to walk.....and cuts multiple starters(as we have done), it seems to be trimming the wrong end of our talent tree......why cut starters instead of third stringers?....why release your starter so you can start his back up?.....makes no sense....if the back up is better, then make him your starter.....and only "replace" a guy, when you have a better talent to do so....
Yea, weird...because, as I said...I am hard pressed to find them. You made this statement....now produce your evidence.
We have needed WR's for years now.....easily its been a top priority since 2012-13, yes?.....and it still is.....and we have no slot guys.....yet Gabe, Hawkins, Snead & Pryor will all be catching balls for other teams, while we continue the search for wr...
Last year our DB's sucked and Safety was clarified as our weakest position, yet we let our 2 starters walk...correct?.....w/o replacements...so, we had zero safeties and the ones we let walked started for other teams....
Last year we cut Dansby, who had another 100 plus tackles, while we got Davis....
We watched our old center win a super bowl, while we had a turn style at center.....
I see one maybe example of a guy that did a little with NE that used to be here: And with that one: Sheard, I still say he performed no better at NE than he did here, not really.
And I don't think Dion Lewis is a great example, as he was badly injured.
But right here right now, I would not trade Duke Johnson for him...so I think the Browns are much better off. (think how good Duke could be with Brady)
On the other hand, if you are just making a blanket statement that the Browns have let some guy go/walk that they shouldn't....absolutely: Gipson, Mack, Schwartz,...maybe Whitner, maybe Dansby, Pryor.
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