Savage Drafts/Players We Passed
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Flugel,
On the thing with the Steelers LBs, it is my opinion that those players are no more talented than the mess we have at LB. I simply believe that Dick Lebeau knows how to coach these guys up. He could take our LBs and make them look like All Pros, and we could take their LBs and they would probably cough up a furball here with our DCs. It is the sytem and the coach there that makes the Steelers D as good as it is, not the personell.
Flugel,
On the thing with the Steelers LBs, it is my opinion that those players are no more talented than the mess we have at LB. I simply believe that Dick Lebeau knows how to coach these guys up. He could take our LBs and make them look like All Pros, and we could take their LBs and they would probably cough up a furball here with our DCs. It is the sytem and the coach there that makes the Steelers D as good as it is, not the personell.
Gipper - I disagree and here's why:
I keep hearing an inability to coach a talented group is the ONLY reason BUT we're losing sight of what brought RAC here?
1. A competant Supervisor that enabled (not restrtricted) success
2. Talented players that made him look like a better coach than he is
3. Character of players an NFL Head Coach can work with
4. Tom Brady turned a winless team into a SB Champion and DA does not compare with brains
Where was Vince Wilfork drafted?
Where was Ty Warren drafted?
Where was Richard Seymour drafted?
Where was Willie McGinest drafted?
Was talent within these guys or did it need to be invented by a genius? Weren't all 4 guys All Americans? They were.
Is playing LBer a challenge there? Not at all.
Their free agent acquisitions like Ted Washington 5-6 years ago and most recently Adalius Thomas were guys entering the BEST part of the career.
Honestly, do you REALLY think Babe Oshinowo, Andrew Hoffman, Nick Speegle, Ethan Kelly (whom NE cut), Chase Pittman, David McMillan are just guys that needed better coaching? If so, what rotation in this league is currently featuring any one of them?
I'm comfortable in saying when I coached high school football right out of college for a few years that you don't INVENT LBers or football players that WANT to hit people. You just don't. And MOST of these players have had 4 years of college with 4 years of high school ball before that to either GET the art of tackling or become scared of it. Our LBers only get brave when they can read the upperbacks of ballcarriers in pursuit. Sorry man. In fact, they're never even in position to square up and make a tackle. All I see are ankle-grabbers and guys that GET blocked. When Shaun Rogers needs oxygen, watch how bad they become. The ONLY guy I can excuse somewhat is Old man Willie and he was the only LBer hitting people with a shoulder and wrapping up at Buffalo. These guys don't even have their heads up so YES I can question professionals being talented enough if they don't know enough to keep their heads up when trying to make a tackle. If that needs to be taught this far into things we need a new GM today/yesterday for failing.
Does anyone on this planet really think LT needed Bill Belichick in order to be the guy he became? Nobody had to teach that guy sic em - it was God given. Did Mike Singletary really need Buddy Ryan to invent him or his character? It was God given so I see why the guy loves God. Just an FYI, they were both on the SAME Kodak All American poster I had on my wall back in the day before the showed up for their first NFL snap. How about LBers that have transitioned to DEs like Jamir Miller and Jevon Kearse in their first seasons putting a hand down? They didn't need to be taught sic em and sack em for 3-4 years before GETTING it. That's god given and instinctful. Sure they probably worked on swim moves and rip techniques but change of direction and explosion off the ball can't taught if it ain't there.
I never MINDED the decision to select RAC as our Head Coach because I had a more faith he'd get the competant level of supervision that made him a candidate in the first place. I was also promised we'd improve the people we're drafting. Neither came true so I don't see how you see LBers scared to hit people represent coaching MORE than character. It only reaffirms why Bill Polian used to rationalize the necessity to go after guys with SOLID character. He's given the following Head Coaches their BEST years as Head Coaches: Dom Capers in Carolina, Marv Levy in Buffalo and Tony Dungy in Indy. Any arguements? So what I am saying is I don't think RAC forgot how to coach GOOD players (ie; Josh Cribbs, Joe Thomas, Eric Wright and Shaun Rogers). I'm saying he doesn't have ENOUGH of them to coach. I haven't been THRILLED with him to care if he stays or sprays BUT I know this disease is more dangerous than just 1 symptom.
- Tom F.
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QUOTE (Fooleeze @ Nov 28 2008, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This is just a bad exercise that proves nothing. First, you're implying that every pick was a bad pick, which we all know was not true. Second, you're assuming that the team had needs at every position that all of those 'passed' players were playing, which is not true. Third, you can do this exact exercise and highlight 'passed' players by every GM in the league, which would show that Savage is performing at or above every other GM in the league. And last, you're implying that the COACHING has no responsibility to COACH these highly graded players that Savage drafts.
So yes, I still think Savage is very good at drafting players based on team needs, and the profile of the organization.Foolz,
While I agree the coaching sucks and we need to upgrade it yesterday - Savage gave RAC a raise for 3 years of NO playoffs AND Granthom a raise for KEEPING us stuck on pause at ranking 31st defensively. That says "good job" not "improve or else..."
Phil has NEVER filled the need at Nose Tackle in ANY draft so it took us 4 years to give up and pay the RIGHT amt of money to get our apex of the D correct. 4 years. We whiffed on this many guys: Parker, Kelly, Hoffman, Oshinowo, and the worn and torn Ted Washington & Jason Fisk.
In addition, while some seem giddy over personnel choices at LBer like Wimbley, Jackson, Williams, Speegle, Peek, Orr, Stewart - Pittsburgh has continued to restock former All Pros like Joey Porter, Kendrell Bell, Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene with newer versions like Foote, Harrison, Woodley. They did a pretty good at getting Farrior in free agency. Not for nothing but wasn't Woodley available to us in the draft? Peek never satisfied Houston and he's been nothing but injured here so WHy we felt all set as is is puzzling when LBers are fuel that sparks a 3-4.
Now Savage's version of ideal Safety is Brodney Pool, who doesn't suck BUT is he ever going to be a guy opposing game plans need to account for on every play like Pollyneedsahaircut?
They didn't DRAFT Willie Parker because he didn't START at North Carolina. That said, their scout's stop watch read 4.2 and they saw build on the horse before they decided to put little cake down on him. His 82 yard TD run blew that Superbowl open for Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh ALWAYS drafts guys KEEPABLE for their oline and dlines.
Ever since I saw Cowher get to Pitt, it didn't matter if their starting RB's name was Earnest Jackson, Barry Foster, Bam Morris, Jerome Bettis, or Willie Parker BECAUSE they've ALWAYS had a GREAT oline they mostly constrcuted from the draft. When they DID go free agent like Will Wohlford or Jeff Hartings, they didn't guess wrong like we did with Joe Andruzzi.
If I'm being honest, I don't think their new Head Coach is anything impressive and yet he'll have 2 straight division titles to his name because their PERSONNEL evaluators make his job easy.
When RAC had a STRONG supervisor over him and TALENT underneathe him - NOBODY questioned whether he can flat out coach or not. That said, it NEVER slam dunked he could work for a LESSER supervisor and LESS talent. Let's be honest about the front dline in NE: Vince Wilfork (1st rounder - productive), Richard Seymour (1st rouder - when healthy hard to find better), Ty Warren (1st rounder - pretty fricken good) . Also keep in mind that when/if Willie McGinest was putting a hand down he was at least 5 years less worn and torn than today. Before Wilfork, they had Ted Washington before he was washed up about 6 years ago. Also, one year NE lost both starting corners BEFORE the playoffs and they problem solved masterfully. Hence the beginning off Assante Sameuls' career. Now let me ask you - isn't THAT a pretty talented player for a 3rd or 4th round draft pick?
AGAIN, I agree the coaching here is not up to snuff BUT I'm not as confident in Phil Savage as others are. I know Masters deserves a football Doctorate because I could listen to him all day and it makes me feel a little better BUT Savage hasn't proven to anyone in Baltimore or Cleveland he KNOWS a great QB when he sees one. Sentencing us to Dilfer and Frye was cruel. It's not like Boller, Stoney Case or Chris Redman in Baltimore satisfied anyone either. If we're being honest, there's been indecision about WHO to commit to at QB since the day Charlie Frye was told he WON the QB competition over BQ and DA. The booes dictated another decision that worked temporarily in 07 because November and December didn't look anything like September and October - we just had a schedule where 12 opponents averaged 4 wins. There were 2 teams in Arizona and Cincy that DA's INTs absolutely broke our backs for any post season chances.
When I hear Trent Doofus at his job on tv saying the front office in Cleveland is completely clueless (where he hasn't said that about Seattle, SF or even Balt) makes me think he's right. There isn't anything to gain by saying such a thing and that's our reputation around the league unfortunately. Not saying it's all Savage's fault and there's a FEW choices I've liked along the way. HOWEVER, I'm not seeing all his draft choices we cut landing on other teams' starting lineups or rotations on the olines, dlines and at LBer. The ONLY good player that escaped here was Lance Moore who COULD have actually competed for punt return and WR duties. Seems like he doesn't need ear plugs for footsteps and he CTACHES passes and get this - SCORES TDs as a WR, which Nortchutt could not do. Savage fell in love with Cutt at every non-contact mini-camp seeing great hands and speed in and out of the cuts. Trouble is you throw the pads on and tacklers and he's a wussie. Truth be told, Savage said we had NOBODY to replace Norethcutt in the return so unfortunately I'm going to have to give a thumbs up to ONE of our coaches for considering cribbs to fill Denise's shoes with All Pro performance.
In the end, I JUST want to win for a FREAKIN change and I appreciate yuz all allowing me to vent. If replace head Coaches was the ONLY thing required - why are we ust using up strike 3? Doesn't that mean SOME of the fault is ABOVE Head Coaches? It HAS to be for example our procelain pillars Tim Couch, Courtney Brown and Policy's 3rd choice of Head Coach - Chris Palmer. If you think we're FINE at the draft - go look at what Pittsburgh has continued to do in it and tell me we've got 1 stinking LBer beter than LaMarr Woodely or 1 guy in the Secondary as impactful as Pollyneedsahaircut.
- Tom F.While I agree the coaching sucks and we need to upgrade it yesterday - Savage gave RAC a raise for 3 years of NO playoffs AND Granthom a raise for KEEPING us stuck on pause at ranking 31st defensively. That says "good job" not "improve or else..."Phil has NEVER filled the need at Nose Tackle in ANY draft so it took us 4 years to give up and pay the RIGHT amt of money to get our apex of the D correct. 4 years. We whiffed on this many guys: Parker, Kelly, Hoffman, Oshinowo, and the worn and torn Ted Washington & Jason Fisk.
In addition, while some seem giddy over personnel choices at LBer like Wimbley, Jackson, Williams, Speegle, Peek, Orr, Stewart - Pittsburgh has continued to restock former All Pros like Joey Porter, Kendrell Bell, Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene with newer versions like Foote, Harrison, Woodley. They did a pretty good at getting Farrior in free agency. Not for nothing but wasn't Woodley available to us in the draft? Peek never satisfied Houston and he's been nothing but injured here so WHy we felt all set as is is puzzling when LBers are fuel that sparks a 3-4.
Now Savage's version of ideal Safety is Brodney Pool, who doesn't suck BUT is he ever going to be a guy opposing game plans need to account for on every play like Pollyneedsahaircut?
They didn't DRAFT Willie Parker because he didn't START at North Carolina. That said, their scout's stop watch read 4.2 and they saw build on the horse before they decided to put little cake down on him. His 82 yard TD run blew that Superbowl open for Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh ALWAYS drafts guys KEEPABLE for their oline and dlines.
Ever since I saw Cowher get to Pitt, it didn't matter if their starting RB's name was Earnest Jackson, Barry Foster, Bam Morris, Jerome Bettis, or Willie Parker BECAUSE they've ALWAYS had a GREAT oline they mostly constrcuted from the draft. When they DID go free agent like Will Wohlford or Jeff Hartings, they didn't guess wrong like we did with Joe Andruzzi.
If I'm being honest, I don't think their new Head Coach is anything impressive and yet he'll have 2 straight division titles to his name because their PERSONNEL evaluators make his job easy.
When RAC had a STRONG supervisor over him and TALENT underneathe him - NOBODY questioned whether he can flat out coach or not. That said, it NEVER slam dunked he could work for a LESSER supervisor and LESS talent. Let's be honest about the front dline in NE: Vince Wilfork (1st rounder - productive), Richard Seymour (1st rouder - when healthy hard to find better), Ty Warren (1st rounder - pretty fricken good) . Also keep in mind that when/if Willie McGinest was putting a hand down he was at least 5 years less worn and torn than today. Before Wilfork, they had Ted Washington before he was washed up about 6 years ago. Also, one year NE lost both starting corners BEFORE the playoffs and they problem solved masterfully. Hence the beginning off Assante Sameuls' career. Now let me ask you - isn't THAT a pretty talented player for a 3rd or 4th round draft pick?
AGAIN, I agree the coaching here is not up to snuff BUT I'm not as confident in Phil Savage as others are. I know Masters deserves a football Doctorate because I could listen to him all day and it makes me feel a little better BUT Savage hasn't proven to anyone in Baltimore or Cleveland he KNOWS a great QB when he sees one. Sentencing us to Dilfer and Frye was cruel. It's not like Boller, Stoney Case or Chris Redman in Baltimore satisfied anyone either. If we're being honest, there's been indecision about WHO to commit to at QB since the day Charlie Frye was told he WON the QB competition over BQ and DA. The booes dictated another decision that worked temporarily in 07 because November and December didn't look anything like September and October - we just had a schedule where 12 opponents averaged 4 wins. There were 2 teams in Arizona and Cincy that DA's INTs absolutely broke our backs for any post season chances.
When I hear Trent Doofus at his job on tv saying the front office in Cleveland is completely clueless (where he hasn't said that about Seattle, SF or even Balt) makes me think he's right. There isn't anything to gain by saying such a thing and that's our reputation around the league unfortunately. Not saying it's all Savage's fault and there's a FEW choices I've liked along the way. HOWEVER, I'm not seeing all his draft choices we cut landing on other teams' starting lineups or rotations on the olines, dlines and at LBer. The ONLY good player that escaped here was Lance Moore who COULD have actually competed for punt return and WR duties. Seems like he doesn't need ear plugs for footsteps and he CATCHES passes and get this - SCORES TDs as a WR, which Nortchutt could not do. Savage fell in love with Cutt at every non-contact mini-camp seeing great hands and speed in and out of the cuts. Trouble is you throw the pads on and tacklers and he's a wussie. Truth be told, Savage said we had NOBODY to replace Norethcutt in the return so unfortunately I'm going to have to give a thumbs up to ONE of our coaches for considering Cribbs to fill Denise's shoes with All Pro performance.
In the end, I JUST want to win for a FREAKIN change and I appreciate yuz all allowing me to vent. If replace head Coaches was the ONLY thing required - why are we ust using up strike 3? Doesn't that mean SOME of the fault is ABOVE Head Coaches? It HAS to be for example our procelain pillars Tim Couch, Courtney Brown and Policy's 3rd choice of Head Coach - Chris Palmer. If you think we're FINE at the draft - go look at what Pittsburgh has continued to do in it and tell me we've got 1 stinking LBer better than LaMarr Woodely or 1 guy in the Secondary as impactful as Pollyneedsahaircut.
- Tom F.
Did someone forget to remind me what a huge Phil Savage fan I was supposed to be?
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braylon had talent
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Looking back and saying "we could have had THAT guy" is an exercise of dumb asses. Hindsight is always 20/20, but bravo for being able to use Google my friend.
Who the fuck even thinks about Savage anymore?
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Looking back and saying "we could have had THAT guy" is an exercise of dumb asses. Hindsight is always 20/20, but bravo for being able to use Google my friend.
Who the fuck even thinks about Savage anymore?
Who the fuck even thinks about Savage anymore?
For what it's worth, while killing time at the draft, day 2. Of course the closest Beer tent was close to the Sirius Radio Tent where Phil got off after 3pm. I bought Phil a beer told him "this is for Drafting Joe Thomas". A large group of fans had a great conversation about Shine Bowl week & Phil really thinks this FO with time allotted is on the right track. But what Phil really misses the most is the great sports town of Cleveland that the fans bring to Cleveland..
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the point is, the Browns are NOW drafting with the right stuff criteria.
you include drafting criteria about character, LOVE FOR THE GAME,
self-discipline, work ethic, football smarts...
of course you end up drafting players who do well in the NFL, and of course,
you end up building a TEAM that plays together as a team, works toward winning
as a team.
Draft a "me first" jackrabbit doesn't help the locker room or help winning. Not a bit.
That criteria would have kicked jm, gordon, gilbert, weeden, quinn. etc.
the list of wrong players can make anyone ill.
It's tough enough to not miss on the right guys, but to draft for awesome athletic ability alone
leaves out the real criteria that drives players to make it and thrive, in the NFL and in the
communities and locker rooms.
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You all are aware that yer responding to a 9 year old post....right?....
Fluges dredged it up to feed the troll...er.....prove a point to ghoolash....
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saw that. don't care - it's deja vue all over again.
it's like annoying history repeating itself. who we missed, blah blah blah.
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You all are aware that yer responding to a 9 year old post....right?....
Fluges dredged it up to feed the troll...er.....prove a point to ghoolash....
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You all are aware that yer responding to a 9 year old post....right?....
Fluges dredged it up to feed the troll...er.....prove a point to ghoolash....
You all are aware that yer responding to a 9 year old post....right?....
Fluges dredged it up to feed the troll...er.....prove a point to ghoolash....
Precisely! I just wanted to see exactly how big of a Savage fan I was considering how much Ghoolie desperately needs to bring that up all the time. Unfortunately, the only thing I learned was why Ghoolie can never use cut and paste. He's got no thing. Gee, there's a surprise.
My apologies for bringing this back and the absolute garbage I posted throughout this thread.
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Just like when he talks about predicting the w/l record of the Browns within +\- one game ever since they came back in '99 that has to be the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.
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Just like when he talks about predicting the w/l record of the Browns within +\- one game ever since they came back in '99 that has to be the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.
Just like when he talks about predicting the w/l record of the Browns within +\- one game ever since they came back in '99 that has to be the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.
While skipping his anti-depressants, Ghoolie powers down the depressants and gets the whiskey muscles after midnight. When he starts telling everyone he was the only one that was capable of predicting what would go right and what would go wrong - it's 100% fiction.
But he did beg Atenears to get his freedom of speech restored...
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I'm glad there wasn't a thread started about Mangini's drafting abilities.
We drafted Alex Mack, and I believe the rest of the picks were selling insurance 3 years later.
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I'm glad there wasn't a thread started about Mangini's drafting abilities.
We drafted Alex Mack, and I believe the rest of the picks were selling insurance 3 years later.
I'm glad there wasn't a thread started about Mangini's drafting abilities.
We drafted Alex Mack, and I believe the rest of the picks were selling insurance 3 years later.
Mangina was / is a cancer all by himself.. I hated him...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
@ghoolie said:
Phil Sewage was a coffee fetcher for Ozzie. I believe he also washed his cock-strap.
Foolgels LOVED Phil Sewage. He GUARANTEED that Phil Sewage was the REAL GENIUS behind Ozzie Newsome...............He also GUARANTEED that Romeo the shit-tub was the genius behind Belichik.
LMAO..........................
But but but....wait, it gets funnier........................... Now FluteGirl is pimping GREG WILLIAMS................... LMAO.....................
FluteGirl has strike out tatoos tatooed all over his pubis mons. It looks like this........... Savage (crossed out), Crennel (Crossed Out) Willie Green (crossed out) and now............. on the last bit of room left on his cunt pad, WILLIAMS........................
Get ready for the next x-out. He is going to have to let his snapper hair grow back to cover all the X outs.
I still think this is a Nashville vs. Memphis cage match. Except I guess Ghoolie is "Walking Out on Memphis". Has that happened...or when is it to happen.
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I'm glad there wasn't a thread started about Mangini's drafting abilities.
We drafted Alex Mack, and I believe the rest of the picks were selling insurance 3 years later.
Mangina was / is a cancer all by himself.. I hated him...
Mangina was / is a cancer all by himself.. I hated him...
He was like Butch.....forced into doing the GM job when he had no business doing so. Like Butch, he could have probably been a decent coach if he just stuck to that.
I mean, Jesus, Mary and Joseph.....Mike Holgren got rid of Mangini in favor of Pat Shurmur. How fucking lame ass of a move was that?
I bet Mangini could still coach in this league and do a decent job....give the right support...and the right QB. (again....the reason his old boss is considered a "genius" is based on two words: one starts with T and the other with B.)
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Mangina was / is a cancer all by himself.. I hated him...
He was like Butch.....forced into doing the GM job when he had no business doing so. Like Butch, he could have probably been a decent coach if he just stuck to that.
I mean, Jesus, Mary and Joseph.....Mike Holgren got rid of Mangini in favor of Pat Shurmur. How fucking lame ass of a move was that?
I bet Mangini could still coach in this league and do a decent job....give the right support...and the right QB. (again....the reason his old boss is considered a "genius" is based on two words: one starts with T and the other with B.)
He was like Butch.....forced into doing the GM job when he had no business doing so. Like Butch, he could have probably been a decent coach if he just stuck to that.
I mean, Jesus, Mary and Joseph.....Mike Holgren got rid of Mangini in favor of Pat Shurmur. How fucking lame ass of a move was that?
I bet Mangini could still coach in this league and do a decent job....give the right support...and the right QB. (again....the reason his old boss is considered a "genius" is based on two words: one starts with T and the other with B.)
For the most part, this is a good post Gips. The only correction here is Butch wasn't forced into doing the GM job - he forced his way into doing the GM job. That's a lot to take on if you're only in your very first NFL Head Coaching gig especially when the record prior to Butch starting here was only 5-27.
Mike Holmgren slept in later than Dracula when he was our GM. He disapproved of the run first style of offense when we had Peyton Hilis putting in the Madden cover boy season while depending on QBs like Colt McCoy or Seneca Wallace or Jake Delhomme.So guess what he does next? He trades up from #4 overall to #3 overall to draft Trent Richardson (a RB). Couldn't we have just made Josh Cribbs our starting RB since that is what 4 years of taking the snap from Center and rushing the football at Kent State prepared him best to do?
We also threw away a 2nd round pick on a kid married to his bong (Potsy Gordon). He's only played in 5 games with 0 TDs since 2013 (on our best team since 2007) with only 1 of those performances resembling his work in 2013. That was after he assured us we'd see the best version of him yet. If this kid spent more time honoring football career Cleveland awarded him with rather than how he could pass a piss test while he continued to party - he might have a bigger fan base than the extremely hopeful/gullable fans thinking it's all been just a conspiracy. Ghoolie is his Linus in the Pumpkin patch waiting for Great Pumpkin while a little TN Stupid Juice, flash light and Playgirl Magazine takes care of spare time.
The last game my dad saw before he died was Pat Shurmur punting the ball into the end zone on 4th and 1 from the Indy 39 yard line in the 4th quarter when we were down by 7 or 10 points against something like the 31st ranked rush D. His comment was - "we fired Mangini for this pussy?" And how about the night Colt McCoy was knocked unconscious? The only guy that didn't see or hear that hit was our very own Head Coach (acting as OC on the sidelines calling our plays). Just 1 or 2 plays later he puts McCoy right back on the field.
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Didn't think you could get any more stupid than you already are trollie...
It's all right there in 0's and 1's...from flugs 'puter...yet you seem to have missed it cause, well, the lights pretty dim there in the attic.
Didn't think you could get any more stupid than you already are trollie...
It's all right there in 0's and 1's...from flugs 'puter...yet you seem to have missed it cause, well, the lights pretty dim there in the attic.
Thanks Chocs! He knows exactly where I stood which is why he never uses cut and paste on a message board where one can archive posts all the way back to 2008. There's an old saying: "If you say it right the first time - you don't need to be repetitive or redundant." Nobody, beside the boy who cried wolf, recycles the same take more often than Ghoolie.
All his blowhard diatribe of "I was the only one back in the early 90s that thought Bill Belichick would be a great Head Coach or win Superbowls" is funny. Even funnier is when he brought up he guaranteed to Hoorta in 95 (on a message board before any of our message boards even existed) that BB would win a SB before the Browns. That's the Ghoolie we always see here. Celebrating hind sight 20/20 with chest pounding from things he wished he said in a forum where he knows nobody can archive what he actually said prior to 2008. Anyone can stoop to desperation and fabricate; but the sad thing is this is just a message board for people sharing the common bond of the Cleveland Browns. There's only 1 fan in here that is always trying to drum up support for him being a sissy and quitting. He's jealous of everyone that is stronger than him so welcome to his persona that doesn't exist in real life.
Knowing how impatient he is as early as preseason, who here really thinks this is the type of fan that would be telling everyone they just need to be patient because we're headed in the right direction when the following took place:
1) Vinny Testaverde was brought here from being tabbed a bust in TB
2) Kosar's "diminished skills" got sent packing
3) Vinny got hurt, which led to the Todd Philcox Football Follies
The 1 thing BB doing it the right way showed all of us was it took 4 years to make the playoffs and win 1 post season game. There's still going to be some Touchdown-free Tommy Vardell and Craig Powell blunders in round 1 along the way as well as bad FA signings like Andre Rison. In the process, BB also learned that 2nd round picks like Leroy Hoard can be just as good or better than 1st round guys like Vardell or even the poorly utilized Eric Metcalf up the middle (instead of in the slot where other teams used him). Today, BB has that kind of innovation his rookie gig as HC lacked somewhat when he takes a 7th round QB from Kent State like Julian Edelman to play WR or brings over a STs return specialist like Wes Welker to be a great WR or finding an ideal role for former Buffalo Bill Chris Hogan. BB also hired some great Assistant Coaches like Nick Saban, Kirk Ferentz, Hal Hunter, etc...
Ferentz has had the recruiting attraction of the corn fields of Iowa up against the ideal climate and collection of hotties that attend SEC schools. That said, he has had some really good success considering all that.He's placed some great linemen like our Eric Steinbach and others into the NFL while guys like Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders, and our Christian Kirksey have experienced some success. Saban decided he needed to get out of his Big 10 climate up in Michigan for the recruiting attraction of LSU and Alabama later on. Nonetheless, he's been so excellent his biggest threat to winning more National Championships is now a coach he groomed (Dabo S).
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@ghoolie said:
Phil Sewage was a coffee fetcher for Ozzie. I believe he also washed his cock-strap.
Foolgels LOVED Phil Sewage. He GUARANTEED that Phil Sewage was the REAL GENIUS behind Ozzie Newsome...............He also GUARANTEED that Romeo the shit-tub was the genius behind Belichik.
LMAO..........................
But but but....wait, it gets funnier........................... Now FluteGirl is pimping GREG WILLIAMS................... LMAO.....................
FluteGirl has strike out tatoos tatooed all over his pubis mons. It looks like this........... Savage (crossed out), Crennel (Crossed Out) Willie Green (crossed out) and now............. on the last bit of room left on his cunt pad, WILLIAMS........................
Get ready for the next x-out. He is going to have to let his snapper hair grow back to cover all the X outs.
I still think this is a Nashville vs. Memphis cage match. Except I guess Ghoolie is "Walking Out on Memphis". Has that happened...or when is it to happen.
I still think this is a Nashville vs. Memphis cage match.
Remember the first one he heavily promoted for the weekend the Browns were in Nashville? You and Hoorta showed up. Ghoolie did not. All the pre-fight thunder Ghoolie brought to center stage, I stayed content being the lightning. Thunder makes all the noise while lightning does all the damage...
He had 5000 excuses that life wasn't going well and you know the rest. I assured him I would have him tied up into the world's fattest pretzel we could squeeze into a child's medium Joe Thomas jersey in under a minute, without either of us getting a scratch or bruise. Then he could buy me my favorite beverage for losing in front of the cameras and countless witnesses.
Did I ever chest pound his forfeit? Did I ever even bring it up before today? I'm used to Ghoolie quitting. And when we saw what he actually looked like in his St Patty's song to Zombo - we learned just how plastic an online tough guy persona can truly be. He looked like an overweight Shar-Pei dog that got its hairdoo from taking a power squirt on an electrical socket and it's thought process from the bottle.
Now, he's quitting on Memphis too? That's adorable!
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