Camp News
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Some random opinions expressed by Nathan Zegura on our radio show yesterday:
Kenny Britt was back and looked very good. Apparently has a "huge catch radius" and was making plays.
Corey Coleman participated in the "walk-through" section of practice, and Hue said "he's closer to returning than not". Whatever that means.
Joel Bitonio was participating in solo drills, which is a VERY good sign.
Crowell looks absolutely terrific, and is in even better shape than last year. Sited one play where it appeared Crow was "shot out of a cannon for 35 yard run". Thinks Crow could have big year.
Ricardo Louis continues to impress, and was near unstoppable in 1-on-1 drills (which receivers SHOULD dominate, but whatever). Ricardo looks very big, and very fast.
Emmanuel Ogbah looked like a man possessed, and was virtually everywhere.
Jamie Collins looks like Jamie Collins...which is a very good thing.
Danny Shelton is still in fantastic shape and appears to be quicker and looking to build off a better season last year.
Some random opinions expressed by Nathan Zegura on our radio show yesterday:
Zagura is the one guy not to believe....he works for the Browns and ALWAYS only says good things.....
Kenny Britt was back and looked very good. Apparently has a "huge catch radius" and was making plays.
Corey Coleman participated in the "walk-through" section of practice, and Hue said "he's closer to returning than not". Whatever that means.
Until I see him actually string together an entire camp and/or season....I aint holding my breath on this guy......
Joel Bitonio was participating in solo drills, which is a VERY good sign.
Excellent news....
Crowell looks absolutely terrific, and is in even better shape than last year. Sited one play where it appeared Crow was "shot out of a cannon for 35 yard run". Thinks Crow could have big year.
More excellent news....happy he is taking the high road and playing out....hope the Browns reward him with an appropriate contract....
Ricardo Louis continues to impress, and was near unstoppable in 1-on-1 drills (which receivers SHOULD dominate, but whatever). Ricardo looks very big, and very fast.
That would be a huge change from what we've seen so far.....he was incredibly stoppable last season.....easily shut down.....so, maybe a miracle turn around?
Emmanuel Ogbah looked like a man possessed, and was virtually everywhere.
Think he'll have a great season....and if Garrett comes through, he could be dominant.....
Jamie Collins looks like Jamie Collins...which is a very good thing.
Sounds good.....is he ignoring his coach here too?....or is he playing within the plan?.....curious to see how Williams responds to his free lance mentality
Danny Shelton is still in fantastic shape and appears to be quicker and looking to build off a better season last year.
More good news....think he has a chance to be a monster too
So now we are down to just one draft pick that needs to sign and he has the same piece of shit agent that held bosa out last year. Already one strike against just being from meatchicken. Hold out and the fans will deep fry him.
Peppers, right?......not surprised......same guy who couldnt get the other shit signed in time for Ota's, if Im not mistaken......sense a bit of prima donna here....hope he lives upto the hype....
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Peppers, the guy that was willing to play 15 positions and hurt his draft stock, for the good of the Michigan football team, is anything but a primadonna
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Peppers, the guy that was willing to play 15 positions and hurt his draft stock, for the good of the Michigan football team, is anything but a primadonna
Peppers, the guy that was willing to play 15 positions and hurt his draft stock, for the good of the Michigan football team, is anything but a primadonna
How about if we save the pole smoking until we actually see if the dude can do something positive. At this point, if he can produce something in the return game it will be a plus.
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Caleb Brantley flashes skill but consistently frustrates coaches in camp:
During the NFL draft evaluation process, scouts both professional and armchair struggled with Florida defensive tackle Caleb Brantley. The quick, attacking style produced several splash plays which got him a lot of attention on the highlight reels. But he also had prolonged stretches where he did nothing, and his admitted lack of effort was a big part in that.Caleb Brantley: 5 play video scouting report on Browns rookie DTThrough the first few days of practices, not much has changed for the sixth-round rookie. His wild fluctuations in play are already quite evident to the Cleveland Browns coaches. His position coach, former NFL Pro Bowler Clyde Simmons, is already frustrated with the inconsistency.“He shows first-round talent at times and then he shows somebody who shouldn’t be playing at other times,” Simmons said after Thursday’s practice session to the gathered media in Berea.The follow-up question came about Brantley’s effort and Simmons quickly replied, “Effort, all the stuff.”Simmons continued,“He’s like every young player that comes in this league. They’ve got an idea about what they want and what they think they can do, but you have to learn to play it the way we want you to play it.”The next few weeks away from the team will be very telling for Brantley’s fate as a rookie. If he returns to July’s training camp in optimal shape and ready to go hard on every rep of every drill, the ex-Gator could earn a spot in the DT rotation. But if he doesn’t dedicate himself to being in prime condition both physically and mentally, there’s a very good chance Caleb Brantley won’t make the final 53-man roster. -
I would not expect him to be a 100% starter. But yes, I do expect him to be in there like 30% of the time. So...he can give full effort the 30% of the time he is on the field...and he can take plays off when he is on the sideline. If that happens, he can be a contributor.
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Peppers, the guy that was willing to play 15 positions and hurt his draft stock, for the good of the Michigan football team, is anything but a primadonna
How about if we save the pole smoking until we actually see if the dude can do something positive. At this point, if he can produce something in the return game it will be a plus.
How about if we save the pole smoking until we actually see if the dude can do something positive. At this point, if he can produce something in the return game it will be a plus.
No pole smoking. A comment was made about him being a primadonna. We have plenty from his time at Michigan that proves that incorrect
This isn't saying he'll be in the HOF. This is commenting on his known personality.
Though i know you're chomping at the bit to go after him.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Caleb Brantley flashes skill but consistently frustrates coaches in camp:
During the NFL draft evaluation process, scouts both professional and armchair struggled with Florida defensive tackle Caleb Brantley. The quick, attacking style produced several splash plays which got him a lot of attention on the highlight reels. But he also had prolonged stretches where he did nothing, and his admitted lack of effort was a big part in that.Caleb Brantley: 5 play video scouting report on Browns rookie DTThrough the first few days of practices, not much has changed for the sixth-round rookie. His wild fluctuations in play are already quite evident to the Cleveland Browns coaches. His position coach, former NFL Pro Bowler Clyde Simmons, is already frustrated with the inconsistency.“He shows first-round talent at times and then he shows somebody who shouldn’t be playing at other times,” Simmons said after Thursday’s practice session to the gathered media in Berea.The follow-up question came about Brantley’s effort and Simmons quickly replied, “Effort, all the stuff.”Simmons continued,“He’s like every young player that comes in this league. They’ve got an idea about what they want and what they think they can do, but you have to learn to play it the way we want you to play it.”The next few weeks away from the team will be very telling for Brantley’s fate as a rookie. If he returns to July’s training camp in optimal shape and ready to go hard on every rep of every drill, the ex-Gator could earn a spot in the DT rotation. But if he doesn’t dedicate himself to being in prime condition both physically and mentally, there’s a very good chance Caleb Brantley won’t make the final 53-man roster.Caleb Brantley flashes skill but consistently frustrates coaches in camp:
During the NFL draft evaluation process, scouts both professional and armchair struggled with Florida defensive tackle Caleb Brantley. The quick, attacking style produced several splash plays which got him a lot of attention on the highlight reels. But he also had prolonged stretches where he did nothing, and his admitted lack of effort was a big part in that.Caleb Brantley: 5 play video scouting report on Browns rookie DTThrough the first few days of practices, not much has changed for the sixth-round rookie. His wild fluctuations in play are already quite evident to the Cleveland Browns coaches. His position coach, former NFL Pro Bowler Clyde Simmons, is already frustrated with the inconsistency.“He shows first-round talent at times and then he shows somebody who shouldn’t be playing at other times,” Simmons said after Thursday’s practice session to the gathered media in Berea.The follow-up question came about Brantley’s effort and Simmons quickly replied, “Effort, all the stuff.”Simmons continued,“He’s like every young player that comes in this league. They’ve got an idea about what they want and what they think they can do, but you have to learn to play it the way we want you to play it.”The next few weeks away from the team will be very telling for Brantley’s fate as a rookie. If he returns to July’s training camp in optimal shape and ready to go hard on every rep of every drill, the ex-Gator could earn a spot in the DT rotation. But if he doesn’t dedicate himself to being in prime condition both physically and mentally, there’s a very good chance Caleb Brantley won’t make the final 53-man roster.Not much invested (6th round pick) in Brantley & there IS potential there, but if the young man doesn't show a consistent effort to THIS Coaching staff, he WILL be gone. I'm no gambler, but my money's on "BYE-BYE Brantley". We have too many D linemen who DO work to waste a roster spot on a loafer.
Mike
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How about if we save the pole smoking until we actually see if the dude can do something positive. At this point, if he can produce something in the return game it will be a plus.
No pole smoking. A comment was made about him being a primadonna. We have plenty from his time at Michigan that proves that incorrect
This isn't saying he'll be in the HOF. This is commenting on his known personality.
Though i know you're chomping at the bit to go after him.
A comment was made about him being a primadonna. We have plenty from his time at Michigan that proves that incorrect
This is commenting on his known personality.
Aww....dont get all butt hurt woody.....I said "I sense a bit of prima donna"......and, otherwise, have had nothing but good to say about the guy....including being happy we picked him....
But.....when you draft 11 guys and 10 sign participation deals, but one doesnt.....then 10 sign contracts, but one doesnt......there is something there.....smoke that pole all you want, but it is what it is....
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How about if we save the pole smoking until we actually see if the dude can do something positive. At this point, if he can produce something in the return game it will be a plus.
No pole smoking. A comment was made about him being a primadonna. We have plenty from his time at Michigan that proves that incorrect
This isn't saying he'll be in the HOF. This is commenting on his known personality.
Though i know you're chomping at the bit to go after him.
No pole smoking. A comment was made about him being a primadonna. We have plenty from his time at Michigan that proves that incorrect
This isn't saying he'll be in the HOF. This is commenting on his known personality.
Though i know you're chomping at the bit to go after him.
TIL the original (and I guess technically more correct) version of that phrase is actually "champing at the bit".
I had no idea until someone mentioned it in the office.
The more you know.
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Good to know
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Caleb Brantley flashes skill but consistently frustrates coaches in camp:
During the NFL draft evaluation process, scouts both professional and armchair struggled with Florida defensive tackle Caleb Brantley. The quick, attacking style produced several splash plays which got him a lot of attention on the highlight reels. But he also had prolonged stretches where he did nothing, and his admitted lack of effort was a big part in that.Caleb Brantley: 5 play video scouting report on Browns rookie DTThrough the first few days of practices, not much has changed for the sixth-round rookie. His wild fluctuations in play are already quite evident to the Cleveland Browns coaches. His position coach, former NFL Pro Bowler Clyde Simmons, is already frustrated with the inconsistency.“He shows first-round talent at times and then he shows somebody who shouldn’t be playing at other times,” Simmons said after Thursday’s practice session to the gathered media in Berea.The follow-up question came about Brantley’s effort and Simmons quickly replied, “Effort, all the stuff.”Simmons continued,“He’s like every young player that comes in this league. They’ve got an idea about what they want and what they think they can do, but you have to learn to play it the way we want you to play it.”The next few weeks away from the team will be very telling for Brantley’s fate as a rookie. If he returns to July’s training camp in optimal shape and ready to go hard on every rep of every drill, the ex-Gator could earn a spot in the DT rotation. But if he doesn’t dedicate himself to being in prime condition both physically and mentally, there’s a very good chance Caleb Brantley won’t make the final 53-man roster.Caleb Brantley flashes skill but consistently frustrates coaches in camp:
“He shows first-round talent at times and then he shows somebody who shouldn’t be playing at other times,” Simmons said after Thursday’s practice session to the gathered media in Berea.The follow-up question came about Brantley’s effort and Simmons quickly replied, “Effort, all the stuff.”Simmons continued,“He’s like every young player that comes in this league. They’ve got an idea about what they want and what they think they can do, but you have to learn to play it the way we want you to play it.”The next few weeks away from the team will be very telling for Brantley’s fate as a rookie. If he returns to July’s training camp in optimal shape and ready to go hard on every rep of every drill, the ex-Gator could earn a spot in the DT rotation. But if he doesn’t dedicate himself to being in prime condition both physically and mentally, there’s a very good chance Caleb Brantley won’t make the final 53-man roster.These are the kinda quotes that coaches & FO need to make a choice on now. These are the type of draftees or UDFA's we keep throwing on PS hoping they get hungrier but only take up a roster spot.Mean while there's guys like Rey Maualuga at age 30 with over 100 starts,699 tackles sitting as a FA for maybe 3M..Hue/Williams should know Rey pretty well..Cam Johnson & Schobert,Tank Carder?well ok then..
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Peppers, the guy that was willing to play 15 positions and hurt his draft stock, for the good of the Michigan football team, is anything but a primadonna
Peppers, the guy that was willing to play 15 positions and hurt his draft stock, for the good of the Michigan football team, is anything but a primadonna
No pole smoking. A comment was made about him being a primadonna. We have plenty from his time at Michigan that proves that incorrect
This isn't saying he'll be in the HOF. This is commenting on his known personality.
Though i know you're chomping at the bit to go after him.
Isn't about personality- or even that he went to Michigan. All about the Benjamins now Woody. Go argue about offset language or something piddly.
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No pole smoking. A comment was made about him being a primadonna. We have plenty from his time at Michigan that proves that incorrect
This isn't saying he'll be in the HOF. This is commenting on his known personality.
Though i know you're chomping at the bit to go after him.
TIL the original (and I guess technically more correct) version of that phrase is actually "champing at the bit".
I had no idea until someone mentioned it in the office.
The more you know.
TIL the original (and I guess technically more correct) version of that phrase is actually "champing at the bit".
I had no idea until someone mentioned it in the office.
The more you know.
You clearly don't watch Curb Your Enthusiasm. And for that, I repent on your behalf. Please correct this immediately.
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Quite disheartening that Brantley is already pissing the coaches off.
I'm getting the feeling that he's just a punk who'll be back in trouble with the law sooner than later.
Quite disheartening that Brantley is already pissing the coaches off.
I'm getting the feeling that he's just a punk who'll be back in trouble with the law sooner than later.
The coach just said that he needs to be more consistent with effort and everything, the coach said that the message has gotten through to him and the difference he has shown from rookie minicamp to this minicamp has been night and day.
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Quite disheartening that Brantley is already pissing the coaches off.
I'm getting the feeling that he's just a punk who'll be back in trouble with the law sooner than later.
The coach just said that he needs to be more consistent with effort and everything, the coach said that the message has gotten through to him and the difference he has shown from rookie minicamp to this minicamp has been night and day.
... the coach said that the message has gotten through to him...
If we know nothing else about Williams from his Hard Knocks footage, it's that he "communicates" very clearly.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Camp dates have been posted. I'm looking at the Aug. 13th one - a Sunday, myself.
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If we know nothing else about Williams from his Hard Knocks footage, it's that he "communicates" very clearly.
I like his tough guy persona....and I LOVE people who say it like it is.....no matter what....and Williams seems to be that guy....
I honestly know very little about his scheme or how players respond to him, as my only knowledge of him prior to coming here was bounty gate.....
I wonder....... if Williams said "this guy isnt very good".....would he be whining?....
Based upon years and years of managing people.....I do know that there is no leadership technique that works for everyone.....so, Id guess that some will respond well to Williams pushing them, while others wont.....many people fail because they are under too much pressure to perform, so turning up the heat doesnt always work.......But, in the end, it's always been my opinion that coaches rarely make great players outta average ones......and changing schemes rarely turns around a team....99% of the time, good teams are good because they have good players.....
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If we know nothing else about Williams from his Hard Knocks footage, it's that he "communicates" very clearly.
I like his tough guy persona....and I LOVE people who say it like it is.....no matter what....and Williams seems to be that guy....
I honestly know very little about his scheme or how players respond to him, as my only knowledge of him prior to coming here was bounty gate.....
I wonder....... if Williams said "this guy isnt very good".....would he be whining?....
Based upon years and years of managing people.....I do know that there is no leadership technique that works for everyone.....so, Id guess that some will respond well to Williams pushing them, while others wont.....many people fail because they are under too much pressure to perform, so turning up the heat doesnt always work.......But, in the end, it's always been my opinion that coaches rarely make great players outta average ones......and changing schemes rarely turns around a team....99% of the time, good teams are good because they have good players.....
Based upon years and years of managing people.....I do know that there is no leadership technique that works for everyone.....so, Id guess that some will respond well to Williams pushing them, while others wont.....many people fail because they are under too much pressure to perform, so turning up the heat doesnt always work.......But, in the end, it's always been my opinion that coaches rarely make great players outta average ones......and changing schemes rarely turns around a team....99% of the time, good teams are good because they have good players.....
Bingo...
There are other "things" I remember about Gregg from Hard Knocks...
- He tells players that he is going to be a blunt, demanding hard-ass... and then he is... but...
- He also praises as well as damns... I believe it was Ogletree that he was repeatedly, near incessantly telling how good he could be.
It's that second bit, the praise and expressions of confidence, that pick up where the ass-chewing leaves off that makes hard-ass coaches beloved... makes players want to run thru walls for the coach.
Gregg strikes me as astute enough to see when that swap is needed... where the continued "beating up" of a player with potential will only "beat them down" and they need to be lifted up. So long as he takes the pulse of his players collectively, and individually, they'll respond to him. So long as at that key moment he can find something to praise, an old management maxim I learned, there won't be a wall safe from being run thru by our D... and likely a few on the O-side as well.
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