Jordan vs. LeBron
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In the NBA it's talent that wins out. Phil Jackson was a good manager of egos, but when you have all time greats like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, pippen etc. you're supposed to win.And figure this out: What did Jordan do without Phil Jackson. To a certain extent I think Jackson made Jordan, not the other way around. Remember...with a guy about as similar to Jordan in skill....Kobe...Jackson won another 5 titles.
That is how I view things. Jackson was the straw that stirred the Bulls drink, not Jordan.
I mean...what if Jackson has stayed with Kobe and they won one more title together?
Would we be saying that Kobe was the GOAT? It would without doubt be arguable. It is arguable now. For Kobe's last couple of title wins he did not have the kind of supporting cast that Jordan had, did he?
A can of chef Boyardee beef ravioli could coach these warriors to a championship simply because they have the most talent. Adding Kevin Durant to a 73 win team is laughably OP.
In the NBA it's talent that wins out. Phil Jackson was a good manager of egos, but when you have all time greats like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, pippen etc. you're supposed to win.
A can of chef Boyardee beef ravioli could coach these warriors to a championship simply because they have the most talent. Adding Kevin Durant to a 73 win team is laughably OP.
I have heard some talk this morning however that these titles could be all due to Steve Kerr's philosophy. They ....i.e. commentators on ESPN....implied that if Mike Brown were the head coach and brought his own philosophy....that the Warriors may not have won...despite all their talent.
Dan Gilbert came in for some critique as well....for his position on GMs and HCs. In the 4 Finals the Cavs have gone to with LeBron...they have done it with 3 different HCs and 3 different GMs. They consider that a stability issue.....including going forward with Griffin's status up in the air.
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In the NBA it's talent that wins out. Phil Jackson was a good manager of egos, but when you have all time greats like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, pippen etc. you're supposed to win.And figure this out: What did Jordan do without Phil Jackson. To a certain extent I think Jackson made Jordan, not the other way around. Remember...with a guy about as similar to Jordan in skill....Kobe...Jackson won another 5 titles.
That is how I view things. Jackson was the straw that stirred the Bulls drink, not Jordan.
I mean...what if Jackson has stayed with Kobe and they won one more title together?
Would we be saying that Kobe was the GOAT? It would without doubt be arguable. It is arguable now. For Kobe's last couple of title wins he did not have the kind of supporting cast that Jordan had, did he?
A can of chef Boyardee beef ravioli could coach these warriors to a championship simply because they have the most talent. Adding Kevin Durant to a 73 win team is laughably OP.
In the NBA it's talent that wins out. Phil Jackson was a good manager of egos, but when you have all time greats like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, pippen etc. you're supposed to win.
A can of chef Boyardee beef ravioli could coach these warriors to a championship simply because they have the most talent. Adding Kevin Durant to a 73 win team is laughably OP.
Yes and a 5 man team only needs about 2 or 3 superstars and some key bench guys to win it all versus a 9 or 11 man team.
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LeBron has been in the finals 8 times. Jordan got there 6 times.
Jordan has the best team 6 times. LeBron had the best team 2 times
No one has ever claimed any of Lebron's teammates are in the top 100 best players ever
Jordan played with Pippen, and Rodman, and had Phil as his coach.
Also, LeBron has been in the NBA since he was 18. Jordan went to college and " was told to leave" the NBA, for 2 years
I have personally seen both these guys play, and I also have stood right next to both of them, and talked to both of them........
MJ is the best BASKETBALL CLOSER I have very seen, but LeBron is the GREATEST basketball player I have ever seen.
LeBron doesn't have the "KILLER" instinct that MJ or KOBE had, but his skills are WAY WAY WAY better then either of those guys
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LeBron has been in the finals 8 times. Jordan got there 6 times.
Jordan has the best team 6 times. LeBron had the best team 2 times
No one has ever claimed any of Lebron's teammates are in the top 100 best players ever
Jordan played with Pippen, and Rodman, and had Phil as his coach.
Also, LeBron has been in the NBA since he was 18. Jordan went to college and " was told to leave" the NBA, for 2 years
I have personally seen both these guys play, and I also have stood right next to both of them, and talked to both of them........
MJ is the best BASKETBALL CLOSER I have very seen, but LeBron is the GREATEST basketball player I have ever seen.
LeBron doesn't have the "KILLER" instinct that MJ or KOBE had, but his skills are WAY WAY WAY better then either of those guys
LeBron has been in the finals 8 times. Jordan got there 6 times.
Jordan had the best team 6 times. LeBron had the best team 2 times
No one has ever claimed any of Lebron's teammates are in the top 100 best players ever
Jordan played with Pippen, and Rodman, and had Phil as his coach.
Also, LeBron has been in the NBA since he was 18. Jordan went to college and " was told to leave" the NBA, for 2 years
I have personally seen both these guys play, and I also have stood right next to both of them, and talked to both of them........
MJ is the best BASKETBALL CLOSER I have very seen, but LeBron is the GREATEST basketball player I have ever seen.
LeBron doesn't have the "KILLER" instinct that MJ or KOBE had, but his skills are WAY WAY WAY better then either of those guys
Bolded facts, italicized laughable hyperbole.
Lebron maybe the most complete basketball player ever but the name of the game is scoring points and defending and nobody has done that better than Michael Jordan.
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After this Finals Lebron can't catch Jordan but doesn't mean he can't be on Rushmore
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LeBron has been in the finals 8 times. Jordan got there 6 times.
Jordan had the best team 6 times. LeBron had the best team 2 times
No one has ever claimed any of Lebron's teammates are in the top 100 best players ever
Jordan played with Pippen, and Rodman, and had Phil as his coach.
Also, LeBron has been in the NBA since he was 18. Jordan went to college and " was told to leave" the NBA, for 2 years
I have personally seen both these guys play, and I also have stood right next to both of them, and talked to both of them........
MJ is the best BASKETBALL CLOSER I have very seen, but LeBron is the GREATEST basketball player I have ever seen.
LeBron doesn't have the "KILLER" instinct that MJ or KOBE had, but his skills are WAY WAY WAY better then either of those guys
Bolded facts, italicized laughable hyperbole.
Lebron maybe the most complete basketball player ever but the name of the game is scoring points and defending and nobody has done that better than Michael Jordan.
Bolded facts, italicized laughable hyperbole.
Lebron maybe the most complete basketball player ever but the name of the game is scoring points and defending and nobody has done that better than Michael Jordan.
If scoring and defending are the only aspects of the game that matter....then Jordan loses out badly to Wilt Chamberlain....who was better at both.
If winning titles is the only aspect that matters then Jordan loses out badly to Bill Russell (and a couple of other Celtics)..who was better.
Just the facts ma'am.
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Bolded facts, italicized laughable hyperbole.
Lebron maybe the most complete basketball player ever but the name of the game is scoring points and defending and nobody has done that better than Michael Jordan.
If scoring and defending are the only aspects of the game that matter....then Jordan loses out badly to Wilt Chamberlain....who was better at both.
If winning titles is the only aspect that matters then Jordan loses out badly to Bill Russell (and a couple of other Celtics)..who was better.
Just the facts ma'am.
If scoring and defending are the only aspects of the game that matter....then Jordan loses out badly to Wilt Chamberlain....who was better at both.
If winning titles is the only aspect that matters then Jordan loses out badly to Bill Russell (and a couple of other Celtics)..who was better.
Just the facts ma'am.
I don't think anyone doubts Wilt's dominance but there is context to his accomplishments.
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If scoring and defending are the only aspects of the game that matter....then Jordan loses out badly to Wilt Chamberlain....who was better at both.
If winning titles is the only aspect that matters then Jordan loses out badly to Bill Russell (and a couple of other Celtics)..who was better.
Just the facts ma'am.
I don't think anyone doubts Wilt's dominance but there is context to his accomplishments.
I don't think anyone doubts Wilt's dominance but there is context to his accomplishments.
Yea? And what is that context?
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I don't think anyone doubts Wilt's dominance but there is context to his accomplishments.
Yea? And what is that context?
Yea? And what is that context?
I'm pretty sure you already know that answer.
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
Yea? And what is that context?
I'm pretty sure you already know that answer.
I'm pretty sure you already know that answer.
He's clear physical dominance and I'm with you Gip knows just baiting.
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Yea? And what is that context?
I'm pretty sure you already know that answer.
I'm pretty sure you already know that answer.
I honest don't know what the fuck you are talking about "context". The context is a basketball court. 94 feet by 50 feet. 10 foot rims. That is the only context I am aware of.
The only other thing I can think if is the context of your lifetime.....which is no context at all. Your life is irrelevant.
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I'm pretty sure you already know that answer.
I honest don't know what the fuck you are talking about "context". The context is a basketball court. 94 feet by 50 feet. 10 foot rims. That is the only context I am aware of.
The only other thing I can think if is the context of your lifetime.....which is no context at all. Your life is irrelevant.
I honest don't know what the fuck you are talking about "context". The context is a basketball court. 94 feet by 50 feet. 10 foot rims. That is the only context I am aware of.
The only other thing I can think if is the context of your lifetime.....which is no context at all. Your life is irrelevant.
Come on trivia boy....you can't be this stupid
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I'm pretty sure you already know that answer.
I honest don't know what the fuck you are talking about "context". The context is a basketball court. 94 feet by 50 feet. 10 foot rims. That is the only context I am aware of.
The only other thing I can think if is the context of your lifetime.....which is no context at all. Your life is irrelevant.
I honest don't know what the fuck you are talking about "context". The context is a basketball court. 94 feet by 50 feet. 10 foot rims. That is the only context I am aware of.
The only other thing I can think if is the context of your lifetime.....which is no context at all. Your life is irrelevant.
The context of being 7'0 and athletic when 95% of your competition is 6'4" and much less athletic
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I honest don't know what the fuck you are talking about "context". The context is a basketball court. 94 feet by 50 feet. 10 foot rims. That is the only context I am aware of.
The only other thing I can think if is the context of your lifetime.....which is no context at all. Your life is irrelevant.
The context of being 7'0 and athletic when 95% of your competition is 6'4" and much less athletic
The context of being 7'0 and athletic when 95% of your competition is 6'4" and much less athletic
So, you are saying that height matters when assessing the greatest of all time?
Well then, maybe Spud Webb and Mugsy Bogues should be considered the GOATS.
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The context of being 7'0 and athletic when 95% of your competition is 6'4" and much less athletic
So, you are saying that height matters when assessing the greatest of all time?
Well then, maybe Spud Webb and Mugsy Bogues should be considered the GOATS.
So, you are saying that height matters when assessing the greatest of all time?
Well then, maybe Spud Webb and Mugsy Bogues should be considered the GOATS.
Don't forget Earl Boykins LOL...
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The context of being 7'0 and athletic when 95% of your competition is 6'4" and much less athletic
So, you are saying that height matters when assessing the greatest of all time?
Well then, maybe Spud Webb and Mugsy Bogues should be considered the GOATS.
So, you are saying that height matters when assessing the greatest of all time?
Well then, maybe Spud Webb and Mugsy Bogues should be considered the GOATS.
If you want to argue just to argue please ignore me. Wilt was physically dominant over lesser competition. It doesn't preclude many, including myself, as giving him the credit of being one of the best basketball players ever but when you evaluate players across generations you factor in the competition they play against.
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Didn't Wilt have to play against Bill Russell for years? Who did MJ play against that was that good?
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Didn't Wilt have to play against Bill Russell for years? Who did MJ play against that was that good?
Didn't Wilt have to play against Bill Russell for years? Who did MJ play against that was that good?
http://www.nba.com/history/bulls_dynasty.html
• 1991: Michael vs. Magic
The Bulls really were not supposed to win in 1991. Chicago had finally vanquished its longtime nemesis, the Detroit Pistons....
• 1992: A Trail through Portland
The Trail Blazers thought that 1992 would be their year to win the title. Portland had been defeated by the Pistons in the 1990 Finals, and the same core of players - Drexler, Kersey, Porter, Robinson, Duckworth, Williams - had returned to the Finals both ready and determined. But not as ready and determined as the Bulls, apparently.....
• 1993: Sir Charles is Denied his Crown
Winning two titles in a row almost had become the norm - the last three teams to win NBA championships had done just that (Lakers 1987-88, Pistons 1989-90, and Bulls 1991-92). Winning three in a row, now that was truly a challenge......
1996: Greatest Team Ever? 70!
Bulls fans celebrate the 70th win of the record-breaking 95-96 season.
With Jordan back at full strength after his foray into baseball, the Bulls compiled an amazing regular season record of 72-10, breaking the Lakers' record of 69-13 set in the early '70s....
• 1997: All That Jazz
If you had to pick one defining moment for Michael Jordan, chances are you would choose Game 5 of the 1997 Finals against the Jazz in Utah.....
• 1998: The Final Chapter
Throughout Jordan's career, although he was always the brightest of the stars on the court, there always seemed to be room for his teammates to step up and make a difference at key moments in important games......
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Jordan is all in a league by himself. The same with Lebron.
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