going into year #4 of the rebuild.....
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Zombo said:
These guys have been on the job for 16 months. They've assraped the Patriots, Steelers, Texans and Panthers for draft picks, stole Jamie Collins, re-signed our key talent, rebuilt the offensive line in a day, just drafted three starters in the first round and may have snared the QB with the highest ceiling in the draft.
Fuck y'all who are not paying attention. Talk about Butch Davis, Randy Savage and Ray Farmer some more.
Z
The operative term is "maybe". But we have ridden in that rodeo before. I am looking for a "Yes"...and not a maybe. And I hope you are right...that this becomes a Yes.
The operative term is "maybe". But we have ridden in that rodeo before. I am looking for a "Yes"...and not a maybe. And I hope you are right...that this becomes a Yes.
As one of the relatively new people here, I find it unusual for me to be in the glass half full sector. Just something about all this that makes me think that if they stick to a 5 year rebuild and not the same old 2 year do-overs of the past, this will actually turn into an annual playoff team. Jimmy (and the fans) must be patient enough for rookies to mature into core players all on the same page.
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The operative term is "maybe". But we have ridden in that rodeo before. I am looking for a "Yes"...and not a maybe. And I hope you are right...that this becomes a Yes.
As one of the relatively new people here, I find it unusual for me to be in the glass half full sector. Just something about all this that makes me think that if they stick to a 5 year rebuild and not the same old 2 year do-overs of the past, this will actually turn into an annual playoff team. Jimmy (and the fans) must be patient enough for rookies to mature into core players all on the same page.
As one of the relatively new people here, I find it unusual for me to be in the glass half full sector. Just something about all this that makes me think that if they stick to a 5 year rebuild and not the same old 2 year do-overs of the past, this will actually turn into an annual playoff team. Jimmy (and the fans) must be patient enough for rookies to mature into core players all on the same page.
With some of the bad draft choices they have made in the past I don't think "sticking to a 5 year plan" would have helped. Would sticking with Trent Richardson/Weeden/JMZ/Gilbert/Mingo etc. etc. etc. for 5 years have made them better?
Sticking with Pat Shurmur for 5 years? Hell no.
Pettine? Maybe, not sure.
Farmer? Fuck no.
Mike Lombardi? Double Fuck NO.
Ya follow?
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There is truth to both of your points......I dont think anyone(FO or HC) is gonna turn this mess around in 2 years, so the chronic hire fire roundabout that Jimmy has created handicaps any chance of success......on the same note, just sticking with the same group for 5 years doesnt guarantee success either.....
Bottom line.....Jimmy has made very poor choices in some of the people he has hired..... and has shown little faith or patience with any good hires, once they were in.....and ultimately has stunted this teams growth with his quick trigger......(Jimmy has the worst win percentage of any Browns owner....ever....including Al Lerner, who had an expansion team)(he also has the worst record of any existing owner in the league)
My biggest fear is that he will now over correct & lean the other way by sticking with this group too long, should they fall on their faces.....
So....in my world.....Jimmy is the root cause of this teams demise....the one common factor that has been present, while the team has gotten worse......I honestly didnt think anyone could be worse than Randy Lerner....then Jimmy came along.....
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There is truth to both of your points......I dont think anyone(FO or HC) is gonna turn this mess around in 2 years, so the chronic hire fire roundabout that Jimmy has created handicaps any chance of success......on the same note, just sticking with the same group for 5 years doesnt guarantee success either.....
Bottom line.....Jimmy has made very poor choices in some of the people he has hired..... and has shown little faith or patience with any good hires, once they were in.....and ultimately has stunted this teams growth with his quick trigger......(Jimmy has the worst win percentage of any Browns owner....ever....including Al Lerner, who had an expansion team)(he also has the worst record of any existing owner in the league)
My biggest fear is that he will now over correct & lean the other way by sticking with this group too long, should they fall on their faces.....
So....in my world.....Jimmy is the root cause of this teams demise....the one common factor that has been present, while the team has gotten worse......I honestly didnt think anyone could be worse than Randy Lerner....then Jimmy came along.....
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As one of the relatively new people here, I find it unusual for me to be in the glass half full sector. Just something about all this that makes me think that if they stick to a 5 year rebuild and not the same old 2 year do-overs of the past, this will actually turn into an annual playoff team. Jimmy (and the fans) must be patient enough for rookies to mature into core players all on the same page.
With some of the bad draft choices they have made in the past I don't think "sticking to a 5 year plan" would have helped. Would sticking with Trent Richardson/Weeden/JMZ/Gilbert/Mingo etc. etc. etc. for 5 years have made them better?
Sticking with Pat Shurmur for 5 years? Hell no.
Pettine? Maybe, not sure.
Farmer? Fuck no.
Mike Lombardi? Double Fuck NO.
Ya follow?
With some of the bad draft choices they have made in the past I don't think "sticking to a 5 year plan" would have helped. Would sticking with Trent Richardson/Weeden/JMZ/Gilbert/Mingo etc. etc. etc. for 5 years have made them better?
Sticking with Pat Shurmur for 5 years? Hell no.
Pettine? Maybe, not sure.
Farmer? Fuck no.
Mike Lombardi? Double Fuck NO.
Ya follow?
Yep, but I'm talking about the current group which is barely into it's second year of a 5 year plan. Got to stick with them for a change.
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There is truth to both of your points......I dont think anyone(FO or HC) is gonna turn this mess around in 2 years, so the chronic hire fire roundabout that Jimmy has created handicaps any chance of success......on the same note, just sticking with the same group for 5 years doesnt guarantee success either.....
Bottom line.....Jimmy has made very poor choices in some of the people he has hired..... and has shown little faith or patience with any good hires, once they were in.....and ultimately has stunted this teams growth with his quick trigger......(Jimmy has the worst win percentage of any Browns owner....ever....including Al Lerner, who had an expansion team)(he also has the worst record of any existing owner in the league)
My biggest fear is that he will now over correct & lean the other way by sticking with this group too long, should they fall on their faces.....
So....in my world.....Jimmy is the root cause of this teams demise....the one common factor that has been present, while the team has gotten worse......I honestly didnt think anyone could be worse than Randy Lerner....then Jimmy came along.....
I honestly didnt think anyone could be worse than Randy Lerner....then Jimmy came along.....
....and I kept saying, it's the devil that you KNOW.
Lerner was a Browns fan who couldn't get the right people in place.
Haslam and Pilot J's Flying Circus is a marketing man (and a crook).
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@ghoolie said:
Yes by all means, Find out your blind date is Joy Behar. Keep fucking her and she will turn into Angelina Jolie. This is Browns logic.
NEWSFLASH........................................ NO QB............................ the rest of the shit is just that.................shit.
Well, maybe the Browns are just trying to follow the model set by your butt buddies the Steelers, when in the early 2000s, they built up their OL and their defense and their other positions...but had the forgettable Tommy Maddox at QB. Finally, when they had everything in place, they went and got their franchise QB in the draft, with BR.
A few other teams have followed a similar model. The Broncos recently did the same, built up their defense/OL etc....then instead of drafting a franchise rookie QB, they acquired the ultimate veteran in Peyton Manning.
That IS one way of building...but, admittedly, we can be impatient and frustrated until that sort of thing happens. Getting THAT GUY at QB is all important....but when and how does a team do it?
Do the Browns draft one of these so called franchise QBs next year? Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen or...the kid from Wyoming (forget his name). Or, I mean, hell....what if an Aaron Rodgers or other top quality veteran becomes available somehow? Do they go for him?
I agree that we may not have THE MAN right now. But I am also of the belief that our FO is aware of it as well. Taking a flyer with our 4th pick in the draft on a QB does not mean they believe he is THE MAN....but is just an acknowledgment that they may as well try something until a better plan comes along.
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@ghoolie said:
No, the Browns are NOT modeled after the Steelers in any way shape or form. The Steelers sank or swap with Maddox. Hue jumps around like a fucking nipple in a hot frying pan. He can't even stick with his hand picked DC.
Please, don't compare this cunt franchise to the Steelers. The steelers don't draft shit like Coleman. Good grief man.
Anyone who is a Steeler apologist is a cunt. Can I make that comparison? I can and I did.
And...you really have no clue. What you are implying is that the Steeler model to attempt to build up their franchise is a cunt way of doing so...such that it should not attempt to be duplicated!
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@ghoolie said:
Then what you are saying is, blah blah blah bla?
I have been playing with penises all my life blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah. Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah. Bblah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah .Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.
Hope all you want, but Ass Raping caught my interest because it's what I like. It's what I like. It's what I like Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah. Bblah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah .Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.
OK, Fucknuts, I've told you before not to respond to my posts. Nothing you say interests me. Nothing. Honest to God, you are just a big pile of shit to me. I'm being dead serious.
So ... Reply to one of my posts again, or post in a thread I started, and I will delete it.
Do it twice, and I will delete every post you ever made.
Do it three times and I'll fly to Memphis, or whatever urban plight you live in, and stomp on your fucking fat head.
There ya go. Your choice.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
These guys have been on the job for 16 months. They've assraped the Patriots, Steelers, Texans and Panthers for draft picks, stole Jamie Collins, re-signed our key talent, rebuilt the offensive line in a day, just drafted three starters in the first round and may have snared the QB with the highest ceiling in the draft.
Fuck y'all who are not paying attention. Talk about Butch Davis, Randy Savage and Ray Farmer some more.
Good to see you back and focused again... musta been your personal OTA participation.
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As one of the relatively new people here, I find it unusual for me to be in the glass half full sector. Just something about all this that makes me think that if they stick to a 5 year rebuild and not the same old 2 year do-overs of the past, this will actually turn into an annual playoff team. Jimmy (and the fans) must be patient enough for rookies to mature into core players all on the same page.
With some of the bad draft choices they have made in the past I don't think "sticking to a 5 year plan" would have helped. Would sticking with Trent Richardson/Weeden/JMZ/Gilbert/Mingo etc. etc. etc. for 5 years have made them better?
Sticking with Pat Shurmur for 5 years? Hell no.
Pettine? Maybe, not sure.
Farmer? Fuck no.
Mike Lombardi? Double Fuck NO.
Ya follow?
With some of the bad draft choices they have made in the past I don't think "sticking to a 5 year plan" would have helped. Would sticking with Trent Richardson/Weeden/JMZ/Gilbert/Mingo etc. etc. etc. for 5 years have made them better?
Sticking with Pat Shurmur for 5 years? Hell no.
Pettine? Maybe, not sure.
Farmer? Fuck no.
Mike Lombardi? Double Fuck NO.
Ya follow?
So you think sticking with any of them would have made the team worse than 1 + 15?
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
@ghoolie said:
How could a Browns fan deliver this bag of shit? Al was a money grabbing old far, his kid was a homo. Haslam is preparing this franchise to be sold. Did you see him in the war room on draft day? He was so disengaged I kept waiting for Frank Langella to come in and breathe fire into the room.
On the other hand if Haslam had been "engaged" you likely may have called him for meddling. He hired guys to do those jobs...so the fact that he was not engaged does not bother me. Last time I looked, JH was not a professional scout or talent evaluator. He just writes the checks.
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With some of the bad draft choices they have made in the past I don't think "sticking to a 5 year plan" would have helped. Would sticking with Trent Richardson/Weeden/JMZ/Gilbert/Mingo etc. etc. etc. for 5 years have made them better?
Sticking with Pat Shurmur for 5 years? Hell no.
Pettine? Maybe, not sure.
Farmer? Fuck no.
Mike Lombardi? Double Fuck NO.
Ya follow?
So you think sticking with any of them would have made the team worse than 1 + 15?
WSS
So you think sticking with any of them would have made the team worse than 1 + 15?
WSS
In terms of prospects for the future....yes, it is quite possible.
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Ghoolie is surprisingly good at following orders.
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@ghoolie said:
Then what you are saying is, blah blah blah bla?
I have been playing with penises all my life blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah. Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah. Bblah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah .Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.
Hope all you want, but Ass Raping caught my interest because it's what I like. It's what I like. It's what I like Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah. Bblah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah .Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.
OK, Fucknuts, I've told you before not to respond to my posts. Nothing you say interests me. Nothing. Honest to God, you are just a big pile of shit to me. I'm being dead serious.
So ... Reply to one of my posts again, or post in a thread I started, and I will delete it.
Do it twice, and I will delete every post you ever made.
Do it three times and I'll fly to Memphis, or whatever urban plight you live in, and stomp on your fucking fat head.
There ya go. Your choice.
Zombo
Zombo said:
OK, Fucknuts, I've told you before not to respond to my posts. Nothing you say interests me. Nothing. Honest to God, you are just a big pile of shit to me. I'm being dead serious.
So ... Reply to one of my posts again, or post in a thread I started, and I will delete it.
Do it twice, and I will delete every post you ever made.
Do it three times and I'll fly to Memphis, or whatever urban plight you live in, and stomp on your fucking fat head.
There ya go. Your choice.
Zombo
Somebody got his ass kicked again. Classic stuff Zombo!
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@ghoolie said:
Then what you are saying is, blah blah blah bla?
I have been playing with penises all my life blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah. Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah. Bblah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah .Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.
Hope all you want, but Ass Raping caught my interest because it's what I like. It's what I like. It's what I like Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah. Bblah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah .Blah blah blahblah blah bla blah blahblahblah blah blah.
OK, Fucknuts, I've told you before not to respond to my posts. Nothing you say interests me. Nothing. Honest to God, you are just a big pile of shit to me. I'm being dead serious.
So ... Reply to one of my posts again, or post in a thread I started, and I will delete it.
Do it twice, and I will delete every post you ever made.
Do it three times and I'll fly to Memphis, or whatever urban plight you live in, and stomp on your fucking fat head.
There ya go. Your choice.
Zombo
Zombo said:
OK, Fucknuts, I've told you before not to respond to my posts. Nothing you say interests me. Nothing. Honest to God, you are just a big pile of shit to me. I'm being dead serious.
So ... Reply to one of my posts again, or post in a thread I started, and I will delete it.
Do it twice, and I will delete every post you ever made.
Do it three times and I'll fly to Memphis, or whatever urban plight you live in, and stomp on your fucking fat head.
There ya go. Your choice.
Zombo
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LOL, Zombo ! LOL
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