Torture question
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That's the first definition.
The alternate definition is reading mz the pussy's
immature, ignorant little retorts that ruin
most any thread on the board.
But, it won't work.
Name, rank and serial number is all I'll give.
Cal, Sgt. Farmer, Cheerios.
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That's the first definition.
The alternate definition is reading mz the pussy's
immature, ignorant little retorts that ruin
most any thread on the board.
But, it won't work.
Name, rank and serial number is all I'll give.
Cal, Sgt. Farmer, Cheerios.
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Well, it looks like we tortured people, or ordered them to be tortured, in order to prove there was a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. So we tortured people to get information that wasn't there.
It's clearly illegal to do this. Obviously you guys don't seem to have a problem with the illegality of it, so forget about that. Do you think we should be doing this?
Also, if someone might have information about an ongoing murder spree here in this country, should we torture that person to try and save those lives?
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Well, it looks like we tortured people, or ordered them to be tortured, in order to prove there was a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. So we tortured people to get information that wasn't there.
It's clearly illegal to do this. Obviously you guys don't seem to have a problem with the illegality of it, so forget about that. Do you think we should be doing this?
Also, if someone might have information about an ongoing murder spree here in this country, should we torture that person to try and save those lives?
Well, it looks like we tortured people, or ordered them to be tortured, in order to prove there was a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. So we tortured people to get information that wasn't there.
It's clearly illegal to do this. Obviously you guys don't seem to have a problem with the illegality of it, so forget about that. Do you think we should be doing this?
Also, if someone might have information about an ongoing murder spree here in this country, should we torture that person to try and save those lives?
Different rules Heck.
That aside....I will ask a question....do you think the majority of these detainees are good, innocent people?
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Well, it looks like we tortured people, or ordered them to be tortured, in order to prove there was a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. So we tortured people to get information that wasn't there.
It's clearly illegal to do this. Obviously you guys don't seem to have a problem with the illegality of it, so forget about that. Do you think we should be doing this?
Also, if someone might have information about an ongoing murder spree here in this country, should we torture that person to try and save those lives?
Different rules Heck.
That aside....I will ask a question....do you think the majority of these detainees are good, innocent people?
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So what....what?
As stated, the same rules don't apply as they would to you and I, or even to a uniformed enemy.
I suppose we could apply the spy tag to them and just shoot them.
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I thought this was about saving American lives.
Say someone had information about that VaTech murder spree, or Columbine, before it happened. Should we be able to torture it out of them?
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Well, aren't these detainees covered under the law as well?
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Yes, you're right. The Geneva Convention is law in the US. We signed it, and it was ratified by the Congress. Same with the UN Convention Against Torture, signed by President Reagan and ratified by the Congress. Detainees are protected by those laws.
I'm not suggesting you're for this. Don't worry. I just think it's funny that people realize that you can't do this to Americans because it's against the law, but don't seem to realize that doing it to some Iraqi is also against US and international law.
As for your question, I'm less concerned with what went on in Dick Cheney's brain, and what his motives were, than I am with what he did.
If I had to guess, I'd say he wanted to get information to help protect American lives. But it's also starting to become clear he wanted to get information to justify the Iraq War, and later to support the reasons for the Iraq War they'd already launched. Sure, he thought that war would save American lives because Saddam was a grave danger to the US and in league with Al Qaeda. And we all know how that turned out.
Oddly enough, the guy they got to admit that Iraq was in league with Al Qaeda? He gave that up after being tortured.
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It can be argued they aren't protected under that, and under that, they could be held as spies, which allows their execution.
They are held under the Military Code of Justice.
I don't think anybody wants to torture anybody.....but we have been through all of this before and it is a bit stale.
Lets just say at this point, there are conflicting laws, or law process, and conflicting opinions over which law is germane and holds jurisdiction.
Either way, the situation is murky and no good solution is likely to be found since there is a Pandora's Box waiting with whichever process is deemed to hold the final weight.
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I believe the terrorists are NOT covered by the Geneva convention.
They aren't signees. They don't abide it. They aren't covered by it.
I don't believe the UCMJ covers them at all.
The UCMJ is the military law that our MILITARY lives by.
Terrorists don't abide by any rules except what they decide
gets non-Islamics murdered.
They have no rights. And, of all the detainees, I believe only two ? were waterboarded,
with good reason. Although it was for a bunch of times.
But it's extremely corrupt to only release memos that serve the left's interest.
Release all the memos or none. Find out the whole truth or keep it all a secret.
But to cherry pick and release only some that serve the left's Bush/Gitmo bashing?
CORRUPT.
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I believe the terrorists are NOT covered by the Geneva convention.
They aren't signees. They don't abide it. They aren't covered by it.
I don't believe the UCMJ covers them at all.
The UCMJ is the military law that our MILITARY lives by.
Terrorists don't abide by any rules except what they decide
gets non-Islamics murdered.
They have no rights. And, of all the detainees, I believe only two ? were waterboarded,
with good reason. Although it was for a bunch of times.
But it's extremely corrupt to only release memos that serve the left's interest.
Release all the memos or none. Find out the whole truth or keep it all a secret.
But to cherry pick and release only some that serve the left's Bush/Gitmo bashing?
CORRUPT.
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mz the pussy - don't you have the intelligence (rof,L) to
have a real comment on your own?
OR, is it you are only able to diss other's opinions?
Or, are you just terrified to actually think for yourself
without your teleprompter. (that teleprompter is Heck)
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mz the pussy - don't you have the intelligence (rof,L) to
have a real comment on your own?
OR, is it you are only able to diss other's opinions?
Or, are you just terrified to actually think for yourself
without your teleprompter. (that teleprompter is Heck)
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As I stated about this subject in an earlier thread, Obama made a wise choice. As Commander of the U.S. Armed Forces he has to at least make it appear to the troops that he is looking out for their welfare. He did the right thing. To release those pictures would serve no purpose except to those of you in here who want to keep kicking a dead horse (Bush/Cheney).
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I do, mzweaselnose.
But your opinions are not yours, you parrot Heck, or you parrot your special mod,
or, you snipe.
And, you just aren't very smart. I feel sorry for ya.
If you had a tractor, I don't think you could find the steering wheel.
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I do, mzweaselnose.
But your opinions are not yours, you parrot Heck, or you parrot your special mod,
or, you snipe.
And, you just aren't very smart. I feel sorry for ya.
If you had a tractor, I don't think you could find the steering wheel.
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I'm not 60. Should I have spelled out my age?
Tell ya what. Goooooooo Baaaaaaaaack, and reread
where Heck was wondering about ages.
And then, say you're sorry, which you sure the hell are.
Oh, lookee, mz the pussy has an immature pouty-pouty PHD ! WHOOPEE !
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