Ghoolie Goes Black
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Good point about the draft next year. Its possible we have a high pick again. Maybe toward the end of the season give kizer the ball for the last 4-5 games. Stsrting him tho, no uh uh.....not in cleveland. That has "never" worked out for us
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I don't get too over excited about the start of any season anymore. I just hope that each game is a successful game and a win and the end. As for the QB's, just keep the hopes in a positive mind. I keep my mind also on the past from the 70's & 80's. Just to keep those days fresh and remember how the Browns used to be.
I don't get too over excited about the start of any season anymore. I just hope that each game is a successful game and a win and the end. As for the QB's, just keep the hopes in a positive mind. I keep my mind also on the past from the 70's & 80's. Just to keep those days fresh and remember how the Browns used to be.
Good point about the draft next year. Its possible we have a high pick again. Maybe toward the end of the season give kizer the ball for the last 4-5 games. Stsrting him tho, no uh uh.....not in cleveland. That has "never" worked out for us
What happened in the past has no bearing on what happens tomorrow
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I don't classify Kizer as run-first...
But other than that, I'm 100% with Ghoolie on this one.
Kizer is the only one of our QBs with any "upside" to his game.
Osweiler is a bum and Kessler only knows how to play it safe - won't make plays and won't push the ball down the field. He's a do-no-harm backup at best.
Sink or swim, DeShone has to be the guy.
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I don't get too over excited about the start of any season anymore. I just hope that each game is a successful game and a win and the end. As for the QB's, just keep the hopes in a positive mind. I keep my mind also on the past from the 70's & 80's. Just to keep those days fresh and remember how the Browns used to be.
Oh goddamn grow a set already.I don't get too over excited about the start of any season anymore. I just hope that each game is a successful game and a win and the end. As for the QB's, just keep the hopes in a positive mind. I keep my mind also on the past from the 70's & 80's. Just to keep those days fresh and remember how the Browns used to be.
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Mik, that may be, however a thinking man has to realize that the Browns really have a challenge with Kizer.
On one hand, yeah, you want to make sure he is ready. But on the other hand you have to think about the 2018 draft. If we believe the Browns will still stink this year, then we will pick high in 2018. If we don't play Kizer, then do the Browns take a QB in next year's round one? Or do they shy away and play Kizer in year 2? In the event he doesn't pan out, man, there will be hell to pay if the Browns again pass on a top QB and don't have an answer.
I think they have to start Kizer at some point. Maybe after a few games. But again, I don't think Hue is going to see the team at 0 - 6 and keep Kizer sitting. I think at the end of 2017 the Browns really need to know what this kid looks like under fire. I am not saying he has to gel and be the second coming of Steve Young, but I think the Browns have to see a lot of him in games to know what to do about drafting a QB in 2018. Let's be honest, if the kid has the juice, it would be some badass shit for us not to have to risk a QB with the first round pick in 2018.
I think Kizer is pivotal to this teams immediate future. I say, play him and let him have the team. Even with rookie mistakes, if he is the shit, he is going to do some impressive things.
Mik, that may be, however a thinking man has to realize that the Browns really have a challenge with Kizer.
On one hand, yeah, you want to make sure he is ready. But on the other hand you have to think about the 2018 draft. If we believe the Browns will still stink this year, then we will pick high in 2018. If we don't play Kizer, then do the Browns take a QB in next year's round one? Or do they shy away and play Kizer in year 2? In the event he doesn't pan out, man, there will be hell to pay if the Browns again pass on a top QB and don't have an answer.
I think they have to start Kizer at some point. Maybe after a few games. But again, I don't think Hue is going to see the team at 0 - 6 and keep Kizer sitting. I think at the end of 2017 the Browns really need to know what this kid looks like under fire. I am not saying he has to gel and be the second coming of Steve Young, but I think the Browns have to see a lot of him in games to know what to do about drafting a QB in 2018. Let's be honest, if the kid has the juice, it would be some badass shit for us not to have to risk a QB with the first round pick in 2018.
I think Kizer is pivotal to this teams immediate future. I say, play him and let him have the team. Even with rookie mistakes, if he is the shit, he is going to do some impressive things.
Agreed. The Browns need to know how he reacts on field & he WILL make rookie mistakes, but will also flash potential good as well. Keep in mind that Peyton Manning threw 28 interceptions in his rookie year. Let's see what we have.
Mike
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Mik, that may be, however a thinking man has to realize that the Browns really have a challenge with Kizer.
On one hand, yeah, you want to make sure he is ready. But on the other hand you have to think about the 2018 draft. If we believe the Browns will still stink this year, then we will pick high in 2018. If we don't play Kizer, then do the Browns take a QB in next year's round one? Or do they shy away and play Kizer in year 2? In the event he doesn't pan out, man, there will be hell to pay if the Browns again pass on a top QB and don't have an answer.
I think they have to start Kizer at some point. Maybe after a few games. But again, I don't think Hue is going to see the team at 0 - 6 and keep Kizer sitting. I think at the end of 2017 the Browns really need to know what this kid looks like under fire. I am not saying he has to gel and be the second coming of Steve Young, but I think the Browns have to see a lot of him in games to know what to do about drafting a QB in 2018. Let's be honest, if the kid has the juice, it would be some badass shit for us not to have to risk a QB with the first round pick in 2018.
I think Kizer is pivotal to this teams immediate future. I say, play him and let him have the team. Even with rookie mistakes, if he is the shit, he is going to do some impressive things.
Agreed. The Browns need to know how he reacts on field & he WILL make rookie mistakes, but will also flash potential good as well. Keep in mind that Peyton Manning threw 28 interceptions in his rookie year. Let's see what we have.
Mike
Agreed. The Browns need to know how he reacts on field & he WILL make rookie mistakes, but will also flash potential good as well. Keep in mind that Peyton Manning threw 28 interceptions in his rookie year. Let's see what we have.
Mike
If you look at the rookie seasons of a lot of great QBs, their stats were pretty bad. Casey Stengal used to let pitchers that got blown at stay in the game and cleam up their own pile of crap. I say, if the kid looks better than Kessler in camp, start him and instead of yanking him when he screws up, instead of making a big deal of it, build his confidence, guide him, stay with him and take whatever he delivers.
If we lose, but the kid hones his skills and shows great promise, we win. We pick high and don't need to draft a high QB. If he doesn't pan out, well, we lose, but we get a high pick and can go after another QB.
If he is the guy, then they need to let him be the guy.
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Reports out of camp are that he's moving up the depth chart fast. Closing the gap on Kessler and will push to start in camp. If he's the best guy in camp you start him.
Reports out of camp are that he's moving up the depth chart fast. Closing the gap on Kessler and will push to start in camp. If he's the best guy in camp you start him.
Did I read right that one has to pay for tickets to get in to watch training camp?
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No. Training Camp tickets are free.
Mike
The schedule:
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the only way Kess or Brick start the season is if one of them is better by a considerable margin. If it's close, Browns need to roll with the young buck and let him take his rookie season lumps.
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If that were the case, how could you justify not starting him?
Well, let's be honest, who the hell knows what motivates football decisions? A lot of times, as we have all seen, FO decisions can defy logic. Perhaps someone thinks he is too young, perhaps someone doesn't want to look foolish for pimping another player and have the young guy show him up? Who knows?
Well, let's be honest, who the hell knows what motivates football decisions? A lot of times, as we have all seen, FO decisions can defy logic. Perhaps someone thinks he is too young, perhaps someone doesn't want to look foolish for pimping another player and have the young guy show him up? Who knows?
Yes, therein lies the uphill battle for the rookie.
A year ago the coach proclaimed "Trust me" on the Kessler pick. His ego could get in the way.....but he sure shoved it out of the way last season when he pulled him right after half time...and the kid was playing fairly well.
Starting TC there WILL be a tentative pecking order. Kessler will 'probably' begin with the 1's and Kizer most probably with the 3's (with Hogan). But in the Browns' QB situation, the guys in front of Kizer are not many rungs of the ladder above him.
If he in deed DOES have the talent, and he works & studies hard, he can win the job.
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No. Training Camp tickets are free.
Mike
The schedule:
Thanks for the schedule. I am going to try and get to Ohio to see my Mom. If I do, I would like to pop in to Berea and get a dose of the good old days.
Memphis is the weirdest fucking sports town I have ever lived in. It is all Grizzleys and Memphis Tigers, which you would expect. However, when you throw in the dose of SEC mania, and homosexual love for PIE-UHN Manning, and consider that I have to see the fucking Titans plastered all over the place, man, you can see why I have been so nasty. This fucking place is a sports colostomy bag and I am trapped inside of it.
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Thanks for the schedule. I am going to try and get to Ohio to see my Mom. If I do, I would like to pop in to Berea and get a dose of the good old days.
Memphis is the weirdest fucking sports town I have ever lived in. It is all Grizzleys and Memphis Tigers, which you would expect. However, when you throw in the dose of SEC mania, and homosexual love for PIE-UHN Manning, and consider that I have to see the fucking Titans plastered all over the place, man, you can see why I have been so nasty. This fucking place is a sports colostomy bag and I am trapped inside of it.
Thanks for the schedule. I am going to try and get to Ohio to see my Mom. If I do, I would like to pop in to Berea and get a dose of the good old days.
Memphis is the weirdest fucking sports town I have ever lived in. It is all Grizzleys and Memphis Tigers, which you would expect. However, when you throw in the dose of SEC mania, and homosexual love for PIE-UHN Manning, and consider that I have to see the fucking Titans plastered all over the place, man, you can see why I have been so nasty. This fucking place is a sports colostomy bag and I am trapped inside of it.
I would have thought that it was the ghosts of Elvis and MLK Jr. who both died there hanging about that would make Memphis creepy.
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Thanks for the schedule. I am going to try and get to Ohio to see my Mom. If I do, I would like to pop in to Berea and get a dose of the good old days.
Memphis is the weirdest fucking sports town I have ever lived in. It is all Grizzleys and Memphis Tigers, which you would expect. However, when you throw in the dose of SEC mania, and homosexual love for PIE-UHN Manning, and consider that I have to see the fucking Titans plastered all over the place, man, you can see why I have been so nasty. This fucking place is a sports colostomy bag and I am trapped inside of it.
Thanks for the schedule. I am going to try and get to Ohio to see my Mom. If I do, I would like to pop in to Berea and get a dose of the good old days.
Memphis is the weirdest fucking sports town I have ever lived in. It is all Grizzleys and Memphis Tigers, which you would expect. However, when you throw in the dose of SEC mania, and homosexual love for PIE-UHN Manning, and consider that I have to see the fucking Titans plastered all over the place, man, you can see why I have been so nasty. This fucking place is a sports colostomy bag and I am trapped inside of it.
Well call Me if you get into town.. I'd love to meet you and your better half.
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Personally I'm more interested to see Kizer behind the improved offensive line and with a heavier focus on the run. Not to mention if Gregg Williams cooks up a good defense. If Kizer and the run game can put up at least 20 points a game the defense should give us a shot at winning most weeks.
Pre-Season should be interesting for the first three games especially to see if a change in diet and workout regimen has really helped Kessler.
Oswiler hasn't come close to separating himself from the other two based on what I've heard. This is surprising since he has the most pro experience. I say show me Kessler and show me Kizer and settle on one of the two. Based on physical gifts I'm leaning more towards Kizer.
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Oh goddamn grow a set already.I don't get too over excited about the start of any season anymore. I just hope that each game is a successful game and a win and the end. As for the QB's, just keep the hopes in a positive mind. I keep my mind also on the past from the 70's & 80's. Just to keep those days fresh and remember how the Browns used to be.
Oh goddamn grow a set already.
HA! Thatta boy! Sometimes I wonder why people don't look for a new hobby rather than spend every waking moment in here crying like they're getting their teeth pulled without novacaine.
Look, nobody has a pistol to your temple. Like the 70s lyrics say "Big boys don't cry." Some of us have been at this since the late 60s/early 70s (some even longer). How tough is it to predict every year that we're not going to win very many games? It's not. If you don't know what you've signed up for by now, you gotta get your head out of the sand. It can't be fun to sit here expecting the light at the end of the tunnel to be the headlamp of an oncoming train every time. You have to see what's changing and give it somewhat of a chance such as getting 3 first round picks and 1 second this year with 2 first round picks and 3 second round picks scheduled for next year on top of the FAs we just added. It's a numbers game so we improve our chances in the crap shoot if we have more early picks. When we get more talent on board the recruiting attraction for FAs changes a ton. Remember how many FAs used to want to play in NE before Parcells & BB got there?
The cumulative effect of bad drafting since 1999 leading to HC and regime changes repeatedly - isn't going to reward any brand new regime with an immediate about-face improvement from the 3-13 football they inherited to something that can withstand injury volumes like more talented teams top to bottom. YES, we all adored the very temporary 7-4 start nobody saw coming in 2014 until Farmer pissed off Shanny and injuries had us losing all of our last 5 games prior to going 3-13 the next year.
Heated debates among us followed; but going from 7-4 to 3-18 the rest of the way is not progress. And in this day and age, you lose a significant part of the team and veteran buy in when you slip like that (ie; going from 10-6 in 2007 to a 4-12 regression in 2008 = regime change). One key FA vet (Dansby) mentioned he saw Pettine the Dawg's frustration from his ongoing feud with Farmer spilling over to the practice field daily. This is just my theory, but Pett's loyalty to the hometown Coaches his dad once coached as well as the ongoing need to have Pettine SR watch the game films every week had to make some vets wonder/hope their brand new Mickey Mouse Club membership was going to end with the loud ring of an alarm clock. Jimmy O'Neil wasn't ready to be a DC and his next gig ending in 1 year confirmed that. SF ranked 32nd vrs the run, 32nd in total defense and 32nd in points allowed. Everybody liked Pettine in 2014 with enough of a first impression where some refused to let go (blaming only the FO/Owner) while refusing to look at his choice of Assistants (besides Shanny although someone reminded us he had a reputation of not playing well with others). The oline coach's past caught up with him and he was fired. Our defense and defensive backfield in particular, had an extremely high volume of concussions from leading with the crowns of their helmets trying to tackle what they couldn't see; also explaining a lot of the whiffs. We gased our DTs running them on and off the field every other play. Somebody played head games with Crow and invented a fumbling problem that didn't exist for the undrafted RB just to get the RB from Towson State they drafted on the field. At 1 point, Crow averaged over 6 yards a carry for about 4 weeks prior to that crap. Terrence West is already on his 3rd NFL team while Crow averaged 4.8 yards a carry behind our line (and over 6 yards a carry again when both Greco and Bitonio were healthy).
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Oh goddamn grow a set already.
HA! Thatta boy! Sometimes I wonder why people don't look for a new hobby rather than spend every waking moment in here crying like they're getting their teeth pulled without novacaine.
Look, nobody has a pistol to your temple. Like the 70s lyrics say "Big boys don't cry." Some of us have been at this since the late 60s/early 70s (some even longer). How tough is it to predict every year that we're not going to win very many games? It's not. If you don't know what you've signed up for by now, you gotta get your head out of the sand. It can't be fun to sit here expecting the light at the end of the tunnel to be the headlamp of an oncoming train every time. You have to see what's changing and give it somewhat of a chance such as getting 3 first round picks and 1 second this year with 2 first round picks and 3 second round picks scheduled for next year on top of the FAs we just added. It's a numbers game so we improve our chances in the crap shoot if we have more early picks. When we get more talent on board the recruiting attraction for FAs changes a ton. Remember how many FAs used to want to play in NE before Parcells & BB got there?
The cumulative effect of bad drafting since 1999 leading to HC and regime changes repeatedly - isn't going to reward any brand new regime with an immediate about-face improvement from the 3-13 football they inherited to something that can withstand injury volumes like more talented teams top to bottom. YES, we all adored the very temporary 7-4 start nobody saw coming in 2014 until Farmer pissed off Shanny and injuries had us losing all of our last 5 games prior to going 3-13 the next year.
Heated debates among us followed; but going from 7-4 to 3-18 the rest of the way is not progress. And in this day and age, you lose a significant part of the team and veteran buy in when you slip like that (ie; going from 10-6 in 2007 to a 4-12 regression in 2008 = regime change). One key FA vet (Dansby) mentioned he saw Pettine the Dawg's frustration from his ongoing feud with Farmer spilling over to the practice field daily. This is just my theory, but Pett's loyalty to the hometown Coaches his dad once coached as well as the ongoing need to have Pettine SR watch the game films every week had to make some vets wonder/hope their brand new Mickey Mouse Club membership was going to end with the loud ring of an alarm clock. Jimmy O'Neil wasn't ready to be a DC and his next gig ending in 1 year confirmed that. SF ranked 32nd vrs the run, 32nd in total defense and 32nd in points allowed. Everybody liked Pettine in 2014 with enough of a first impression where some refused to let go (blaming only the FO/Owner) while refusing to look at his choice of Assistants (besides Shanny although someone reminded us he had a reputation of not playing well with others). The oline coach's past caught up with him and he was fired. Our defense and defensive backfield in particular, had an extremely high volume of concussions from leading with the crowns of their helmets trying to tackle what they couldn't see; also explaining a lot of the whiffs. We gased our DTs running them on and off the field every other play. Somebody played head games with Crow and invented a fumbling problem that didn't exist for the undrafted RB just to get the RB from Towson State they drafted on the field. At 1 point, Crow averaged over 6 yards a carry for about 4 weeks prior to that crap. Terrence West is already on his 3rd NFL team while Crow averaged 4.8 yards a carry behind our line (and over 6 yards a carry again when both Greco and Bitonio were healthy).
HA! Thatta boy! Sometimes I wonder why people don't look for a new hobby rather than spend every waking moment in here crying like they're getting their teeth pulled without novacaine.
Look, nobody has a pistol to your temple. Like the 70s lyrics say "Big boys don't cry." Some of us have been at this since the late 60s/early 70s (some even longer). How tough is it to predict every year that we're not going to win very many games? It's not. If you don't know what you've signed up for by now, you gotta get your head out of the sand. It can't be fun to sit here expecting the light at the end of the tunnel to be the headlamp of an oncoming train every time. You have to see what's changing and give it somewhat of a chance such as getting 3 first round picks and 1 second this year with 2 first round picks and 3 second round picks scheduled for next year on top of the FAs we just added. It's a numbers game so we improve our chances in the crap shoot if we have more early picks. When we get more talent on board the recruiting attraction for FAs changes a ton. Remember how many FAs used to want to play in NE before Parcells & BB got there?
The cumulative effect of bad drafting since 1999 leading to HC and regime changes repeatedly - isn't going to reward any brand new regime with an immediate about-face improvement from the 3-13 football they inherited to something that can withstand injury volumes like more talented teams top to bottom. YES, we all adored the very temporary 7-4 start nobody saw coming in 2014 until Farmer pissed off Shanny and injuries had us losing all of our last 5 games prior to going 3-13 the next year.
Heated debates among us followed; but going from 7-4 to 3-18 the rest of the way is not progress. And in this day and age, you lose a significant part of the team and veteran buy in when you slip like that (ie; going from 10-6 in 2007 to a 4-12 regression in 2008 = regime change). One key FA vet (Dansby) mentioned he saw Pettine the Dawg's frustration from his ongoing feud with Farmer spilling over to the practice field daily. This is just my theory, but Pett's loyalty to the hometown Coaches his dad once coached as well as the ongoing need to have Pettine SR watch the game films every week had to make some vets wonder/hope their brand new Mickey Mouse Club membership was going to end with the loud ring of an alarm clock. Jimmy O'Neil wasn't ready to be a DC and his next gig ending in 1 year confirmed that. SF ranked 32nd vrs the run, 32nd in total defense and 32nd in points allowed. Everybody liked Pettine in 2014 with enough of a first impression where some refused to let go (blaming only the FO/Owner) while refusing to look at his choice of Assistants (besides Shanny although someone reminded us he had a reputation of not playing well with others). The oline coach's past caught up with him and he was fired. Our defense and defensive backfield in particular, had an extremely high volume of concussions from leading with the crowns of their helmets trying to tackle what they couldn't see; also explaining a lot of the whiffs. We gased our DTs running them on and off the field every other play. Somebody played head games with Crow and invented a fumbling problem that didn't exist for the undrafted RB just to get the RB from Towson State they drafted on the field. At 1 point, Crow averaged over 6 yards a carry for about 4 weeks prior to that crap. Terrence West is already on his 3rd NFL team while Crow averaged 4.8 yards a carry behind our line (and over 6 yards a carry again when both Greco and Bitonio were healthy).
Tom, that nail you just hit on the head says OUCH! Great post & well said.
Mike
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Oh goddamn grow a set already.
HA! Thatta boy! Sometimes I wonder why people don't look for a new hobby rather than spend every waking moment in here crying like they're getting their teeth pulled without novacaine.
Look, nobody has a pistol to your temple. Like the 70s lyrics say "Big boys don't cry." Some of us have been at this since the late 60s/early 70s (some even longer). How tough is it to predict every year that we're not going to win very many games? It's not. If you don't know what you've signed up for by now, you gotta get your head out of the sand. It can't be fun to sit here expecting the light at the end of the tunnel to be the headlamp of an oncoming train every time. You have to see what's changing and give it somewhat of a chance such as getting 3 first round picks and 1 second this year with 2 first round picks and 3 second round picks scheduled for next year on top of the FAs we just added. It's a numbers game so we improve our chances in the crap shoot if we have more early picks. When we get more talent on board the recruiting attraction for FAs changes a ton. Remember how many FAs used to want to play in NE before Parcells & BB got there?
The cumulative effect of bad drafting since 1999 leading to HC and regime changes repeatedly - isn't going to reward any brand new regime with an immediate about-face improvement from the 3-13 football they inherited to something that can withstand injury volumes like more talented teams top to bottom. YES, we all adored the very temporary 7-4 start nobody saw coming in 2014 until Farmer pissed off Shanny and injuries had us losing all of our last 5 games prior to going 3-13 the next year.
Heated debates among us followed; but going from 7-4 to 3-18 the rest of the way is not progress. And in this day and age, you lose a significant part of the team and veteran buy in when you slip like that (ie; going from 10-6 in 2007 to a 4-12 regression in 2008 = regime change). One key FA vet (Dansby) mentioned he saw Pettine the Dawg's frustration from his ongoing feud with Farmer spilling over to the practice field daily. This is just my theory, but Pett's loyalty to the hometown Coaches his dad once coached as well as the ongoing need to have Pettine SR watch the game films every week had to make some vets wonder/hope their brand new Mickey Mouse Club membership was going to end with the loud ring of an alarm clock. Jimmy O'Neil wasn't ready to be a DC and his next gig ending in 1 year confirmed that. SF ranked 32nd vrs the run, 32nd in total defense and 32nd in points allowed. Everybody liked Pettine in 2014 with enough of a first impression where some refused to let go (blaming only the FO/Owner) while refusing to look at his choice of Assistants (besides Shanny although someone reminded us he had a reputation of not playing well with others). The oline coach's past caught up with him and he was fired. Our defense and defensive backfield in particular, had an extremely high volume of concussions from leading with the crowns of their helmets trying to tackle what they couldn't see; also explaining a lot of the whiffs. We gased our DTs running them on and off the field every other play. Somebody played head games with Crow and invented a fumbling problem that didn't exist for the undrafted RB just to get the RB from Towson State they drafted on the field. At 1 point, Crow averaged over 6 yards a carry for about 4 weeks prior to that crap. Terrence West is already on his 3rd NFL team while Crow averaged 4.8 yards a carry behind our line (and over 6 yards a carry again when both Greco and Bitonio were healthy).
HA! Thatta boy! Sometimes I wonder why people don't look for a new hobby rather than spend every waking moment in here crying like they're getting their teeth pulled without novacaine.
Look, nobody has a pistol to your temple. Like the 70s lyrics say "Big boys don't cry." Some of us have been at this since the late 60s/early 70s (some even longer). How tough is it to predict every year that we're not going to win very many games? It's not. If you don't know what you've signed up for by now, you gotta get your head out of the sand. It can't be fun to sit here expecting the light at the end of the tunnel to be the headlamp of an oncoming train every time. You have to see what's changing and give it somewhat of a chance such as getting 3 first round picks and 1 second this year with 2 first round picks and 3 second round picks scheduled for next year on top of the FAs we just added. It's a numbers game so we improve our chances in the crap shoot if we have more early picks. When we get more talent on board the recruiting attraction for FAs changes a ton. Remember how many FAs used to want to play in NE before Parcells & BB got there?
The cumulative effect of bad drafting since 1999 leading to HC and regime changes repeatedly - isn't going to reward any brand new regime with an immediate about-face improvement from the 3-13 football they inherited to something that can withstand injury volumes like more talented teams top to bottom. YES, we all adored the very temporary 7-4 start nobody saw coming in 2014 until Farmer pissed off Shanny and injuries had us losing all of our last 5 games prior to going 3-13 the next year.
Heated debates among us followed; but going from 7-4 to 3-18 the rest of the way is not progress. And in this day and age, you lose a significant part of the team and veteran buy in when you slip like that (ie; going from 10-6 in 2007 to a 4-12 regression in 2008 = regime change). One key FA vet (Dansby) mentioned he saw Pettine the Dawg's frustration from his ongoing feud with Farmer spilling over to the practice field daily. This is just my theory, but Pett's loyalty to the hometown Coaches his dad once coached as well as the ongoing need to have Pettine SR watch the game films every week had to make some vets wonder/hope their brand new Mickey Mouse Club membership was going to end with the loud ring of an alarm clock. Jimmy O'Neil wasn't ready to be a DC and his next gig ending in 1 year confirmed that. SF ranked 32nd vrs the run, 32nd in total defense and 32nd in points allowed. Everybody liked Pettine in 2014 with enough of a first impression where some refused to let go (blaming only the FO/Owner) while refusing to look at his choice of Assistants (besides Shanny although someone reminded us he had a reputation of not playing well with others). The oline coach's past caught up with him and he was fired. Our defense and defensive backfield in particular, had an extremely high volume of concussions from leading with the crowns of their helmets trying to tackle what they couldn't see; also explaining a lot of the whiffs. We gased our DTs running them on and off the field every other play. Somebody played head games with Crow and invented a fumbling problem that didn't exist for the undrafted RB just to get the RB from Towson State they drafted on the field. At 1 point, Crow averaged over 6 yards a carry for about 4 weeks prior to that crap. Terrence West is already on his 3rd NFL team while Crow averaged 4.8 yards a carry behind our line (and over 6 yards a carry again when both Greco and Bitonio were healthy).
Tom, I put it another way. There is no progress forward looking in the rear view mirror. Screw the sins of the past. Who cares? I don't even give a shit about wins this year, believe it or not. Oh, I want the bastards to kick ass and take names, but I will tell you what would really make me happy. To see see this team making less mistakes, having better time management, an aggressive QB hunting D, an offense that is not afraid to use play action passes and the deeper ball. Some of the younger guys establishing their place on the team woudl be icing on the cake. If this team can bang on those cylinders, then clearly believing that we are finally on the right track is no longer homer bullshit.
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