BROWNS / STEELERS rivalry, dead or a non issue ?
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First... when gumby has to act as interpreter...
Second... It takes two to make a healthy rivalry.
All rivalries ebb and flow. They are only at their best when the rivals are both playing at a high level... and those times are generally few and usually far between. Otherwise the "down team" has to make do with the occasional "upset" reminding the team on top that "we're still here." That's been us for far too long. This describes Michigan fans as well..
I think Steeler fans think of us the same way I've thought of Michigan for a while now... "They have not been worthy of rivalry status for some time now." But just as I have seen Michigan coming for a couple years now, so now do I think Steeler fans see us coming. True... we've fooled them before, but this time feels different... different enough that I have as much concern of their ability to sustain their divisional relevance as I do us establishing ours.
We shall see...
One other thought... I'm not sure there's another division in the NFL that loads a team with natural rivalries close to the level that the AFCN does us.
- Two regional rivals, with one intrastate.
- A rival founded by our founder.
- A rival that was once our team... that was founded by our owner.
I'm not sure there is such a thing as "rivalry overload syndrome", but if there is, then I don't think there's a better candidate in the NFL for it than us.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
First... when gumby has to act as interpreter...
Second... It takes two to make a healthy rivalry.
All rivalries ebb and flow. They are only at their best when the rivals are both playing at a high level... and those times are generally few and usually far between. Otherwise the "down team" has to make do with the occasional "upset" reminding the team on top that "we're still here." That's been us for far too long. This describes Michigan fans as well..
I think Steeler fans think of us the same way I've thought of Michigan for a while now... "They have not been worthy of rivalry status for some time now." But just as I have seen Michigan coming for a couple years now, so now do I think Steeler fans see us coming. True... we've fooled them before, but this time feels different... different enough that I have as much concern of their ability to sustain their divisional relevance as I do us establishing ours.
We shall see...
One other thought... I'm not sure there's another division in the NFL that loads a team with natural rivalries close to the level that the AFCN does us.
- Two regional rivals, with one intrastate.
- A rival founded by our founder.
- A rival that was once our team... that was founded by our owner.
I'm not sure there is such a thing as "rivalry overload syndrome", but if there is, then I don't think there's a better candidate in the NFL for it than us.
First... when gumby has to act as interpreter...
Second... It takes two to make a healthy rivalry.
All rivalries ebb and flow. They are only at their best when the rivals are both playing at a high level... and those times are generally few and usually far between. Otherwise the "down team" has to make do with the occasional "upset" reminding the team on top that "we're still here." That's been us for far too long. This describes Michigan fans as well..
I think Steeler fans think of us the same way I've thought of Michigan for a while now... "They have not been worthy of rivalry status for some time now." But just as I have seen Michigan coming for a couple years now, so now do I think Steeler fans see us coming. True... we've fooled them before, but this time feels different... different enough that I have as much concern of their ability to sustain their divisional relevance as I do us establishing ours.
We shall see...
One other thought... I'm not sure there's another division in the NFL that loads a team with natural rivalries close to the level that the AFCN does us.
- Two regional rivals, with one intrastate.
- A rival founded by our founder.
- A rival that was once our team... that was founded by a stupid-ass NFL Commissioner who thought it would be "cute."
I'm not sure there is such a thing as "rivalry overload syndrome", but if there is, then I don't think there's a better candidate in the NFL for it than us.
Tagliabue, what a moron.
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As a Browns fan, we all love the BROWNS-STEELERS match ups. Over the past 18 yrs since the Browns returned to the NFL, this classic divisional rivalry has been totally one sided. Even though the Steelers have the winning side of our match ups, is this still looked at as a rivalry, or just another match up? Has the classic hatred for eachother still excite this match up each year?
As for me, its just another game, because the winning percentage goes to the Steelers, but if the Browns begin winning games each match up then the rivalry will return.
As a Browns fan, we all love the BROWNS-STEELERS match ups. Over the past 18 yrs since the Browns returned to the NFL, this classic divisional rivalry has been totally one sided.
Actually the rivalry started being one sided before the browns moved to Balt. Steelers winning 6 straight before the move.
The rivalry has been the kind of rivalry bugs have with windshields.
But its still a rivalry.
No definition of the word states that the competing teams must take turns beating each other...
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Ghoolie I love you.
And I you, too. It took awhile for me to come back around, but faithful fans like you who put up with me venom, kept me close to the fold.
I want this team to win. I am so fucking tired of hearing how great the Cowboys, Niners and Steeler are. Fucking cocksuckers, all of them. If their fans went through 1 /100 of what we did, they would have to move the team for lack of support. WE are the Terminators of football fans....we keep coming.
I promise you, Garrett is going to fuck up every offense he gets turned loose against. I can't wait for this team to be unleashed.
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It still is a rivalry for Browns fans but don't think the Steeler organization, players or fans hold it in the same regard. It's been so lopsided the only reason it is a rivalry for us it gives a chance to care about 2 games for a 3-13 team each year
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As someone said, it will simply take a sweep by the Browns to rekindle things. The big difference between the Steelers and the Browns right now comes down to two players: BR and Brown. (I think with the Crow and Duke the Browns run game can come close to matching the Steelers run game with Bell).
Those two DO make a big difference. The QB obviously does.
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First... when gumby has to act as interpreter...
Second... It takes two to make a healthy rivalry.
All rivalries ebb and flow. They are only at their best when the rivals are both playing at a high level... and those times are generally few and usually far between. Otherwise the "down team" has to make do with the occasional "upset" reminding the team on top that "we're still here." That's been us for far too long. This describes Michigan fans as well..
I think Steeler fans think of us the same way I've thought of Michigan for a while now... "They have not been worthy of rivalry status for some time now." But just as I have seen Michigan coming for a couple years now, so now do I think Steeler fans see us coming. True... we've fooled them before, but this time feels different... different enough that I have as much concern of their ability to sustain their divisional relevance as I do us establishing ours.
We shall see...
One other thought... I'm not sure there's another division in the NFL that loads a team with natural rivalries close to the level that the AFCN does us.
- Two regional rivals, with one intrastate.
- A rival founded by our founder.
- A rival that was once our team... that was founded by our owner.
I'm not sure there is such a thing as "rivalry overload syndrome", but if there is, then I don't think there's a better candidate in the NFL for it than us.
First... when gumby has to act as interpreter...
lol
One other thought... I'm not sure there's another division in the NFL that loads a team with natural rivalries close to the level that the AFCN does us.
- Two regional rivals, with one intrastate.
- A rival founded by our founder.
- A rival that was once our team... that was founded by our owner.
I'm not sure there is such a thing as "rivalry overload syndrome", but if there is, then I don't think there's a better candidate in the NFL for it than us.
All we'd have to do is replace the Steelers with the Rams and we'd be tied to every team.
Next realignment....Rams in, Steelers out...and divisions will be renamed with 'color' names.
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Dead? If not for a rapist in Ben holding his crotch at us,even Terry Bradshaw knows Mike Tomlin Sucks..My Brownie car flag with the middle finger up goes on at exit 32 Hagerstown I-70W till the Penn.Turnpike ends in O-H-I-O. Go Browns!!
My Brownie car flag with the middle finger up goes on at exit 32 Hagerstown I-70W till the Penn.Turnpike ends in O-H-I-O. Go Browns!!
Off the board till 15th..Steelnags here I come..Flag on Board
First... when gumby has to act as interpreter...
Keep your fingers pushing the right keys..The "In twerp re TaTer" is Out..Gone to meet up with the U of Toledo brothers & gone to Fishing Tourney at dads at Presque Isle. Ickiegan.(dog water smell starts about Brighton) .. no cell or wifi service..perfect
Enjoy ..Get your A$$ in Camp Peppers!! -
As a Browns fan, we all love the BROWNS-STEELERS match ups. Over the past 18 yrs since the Browns returned to the NFL, this classic divisional rivalry has been totally one sided.
Actually the rivalry started being one sided before the browns moved to Balt. Steelers winning 6 straight before the move.
The rivalry has been the kind of rivalry bugs have with windshields.
But its still a rivalry.
No definition of the word states that the competing teams must take turns beating each other...
Actually the rivalry started being one sided before the browns moved to Balt.
This ^... but the one-sidedness started wa-a-a-a-ay before the move.
- In the 50's the Browns won 16 of 20 games...
- In the 60's the Browns won 15 of 20.
That's 31 of 40 in our first two decades of "competition"... the two decades in which I grew up.
Other fellow "old farts" can chime in, but when I grew up the Steelers were not "a rival"... you were our doormat. Our rivals were the Giants and the Lions and the Packers and the Colts. All were teams that played us hard in the regular season and that we met frequently in the post-season. In the history of our "Steeler rivalry", how many times have we met in the playoffs? (HINT: The answer lies between 1 and 3.)
I can rattle off a dozen names from each of these pre-70 powerhouses. I can name two, pre-70 Steelers: a used up Bobby Layne and John Henry Johnson... make that three as Ernie Stautner just popped into my head for some unknown reason.
Then in the 70's y'all flipped the script taking 15 games.
Even our one, close decade, the 80's, was a tale of two halves. Overall we won 12 of 20, but you won 5 of the first 6 and we closed the decade winning 7 of 8.
So my point?
- We've simply never been good at the same time...
- The "meaningful games" we have played have largely been where one team can spoil the other's playoff hopes.
- We've met twice in the playoffs... in 67 years... twice.
We have the stuff of a rivalry... we just don't have the stuffing.
Not yet anyway...
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Actually the rivalry started being one sided before the browns moved to Balt.
This ^... but the one-sidedness started wa-a-a-a-ay before the move.
- In the 50's the Browns won 16 of 20 games...
- In the 60's the Browns won 15 of 20.
That's 31 of 40 in our first two decades of "competition"... the two decades in which I grew up.
Other fellow "old farts" can chime in, but when I grew up the Steelers were not "a rival"... you were our doormat. Our rivals were the Giants and the Lions and the Packers and the Colts. All were teams that played us hard in the regular season and that we met frequently in the post-season. In the history of our "Steeler rivalry", how many times have we met in the playoffs? (HINT: The answer lies between 1 and 3.)
I can rattle off a dozen names from each of these pre-70 powerhouses. I can name two, pre-70 Steelers: a used up Bobby Layne and John Henry Johnson... make that three as Ernie Stautner just popped into my head for some unknown reason.
Then in the 70's y'all flipped the script taking 15 games.
Even our one, close decade, the 80's, was a tale of two halves. Overall we won 12 of 20, but you won 5 of the first 6 and we closed the decade winning 7 of 8.
So my point?
- We've simply never been good at the same time...
- The "meaningful games" we have played have largely been where one team can spoil the other's playoff hopes.
- We've met twice in the playoffs... in 67 years... twice.
We have the stuff of a rivalry... we just don't have the stuffing.
Not yet anyway...
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Other fellow "old farts" can chime in,
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....fart...I mean, Chime.
My grandfather was a Steelers & Pirates fan (he was a nice man, my grandpa).
We would go visit him and he'd say to me (as a little boy), "Oh, Allen. You're Browns beat up my Steelers again last week."
He passed away about a month before the immaculate reception.
I hope I don't have to sacrifice myself for the Browns to win super bowls...
Beating our division rivals means a lot to me (and I'm sure to all of us posting on Browns message boards).
It's why I was SOOOoooo pissed off at the way we lost that final game of the season against the Steelers. We gave away a win against the team that we want to beat more than any other team in the world. That's the worst slap in the face a Browns fan can get I think.
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