PFF: Offensive Line Ranked 2nd for 2017
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its the o lines job to block for their qb, even if he sucks. They graded on their own pass protection, not on the qb's performance. That's what they get paid millions of dollars for. Anyone that's played football remembers that when the ball is hiked its about the guy infront of you. It's war.
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its the o lines job to block for their qb, even if he sucks. They graded on their own pass protection, not on the qb's performance. That's what they get paid millions of dollars for. Anyone that's played football remembers that when the ball is hiked its about the guy infront of you. It's war.
its the o lines job to block for their qb, even if he sucks. They graded on their own pass protection, not on the qb's performance. That's what they get paid millions of dollars for. Anyone that's played football remembers that when the ball is hiked its about the guy infront of you. It's war.
While true, if the game hasn't slowed down for an inexperienced QB dealing with the complexities of defensive alignments/schemes - the length of time to protect the QB can get unreasonable. In quite a few highlights I've seen, a lot of TD passes are thrown about a tenth of a second before the QB gets hit.
Before PFF came along to praise Mitchell Schwartz's play at RT and increase people's awareness of his overall talent - there were times significant portions of our fan base in cyberspace used to hurry to blame him for pass pro blunders. They did so without looking at how long it was talking a guy like Weeden or McCoy to get rid of the ball while he had the task of blocking Carlos Dunlap one on one outside.
Last year, especially in the Miami game - Pazstor had to block Cameron Wake while we had a rookie QB counting on 2 first year starters at WR (Pryor & Louis) to make all the right reads and adjustments to defensive schemes/leverages. In that game, our RT gave up a sack to Wake and had some costly penalties when some of those plays our rookie QB had enough time to get rid of the ball. But, only Paz got received 100% credit for the sack/penalties...
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its the o lines job to block for their qb, even if he sucks. They graded on their own pass protection, not on the qb's performance. That's what they get paid millions of dollars for. Anyone that's played football remembers that when the ball is hiked its about the guy infront of you. It's war.
Anyone that's played football remembers that when the ball is hiked its about the guy infront of you. It's war.
... and then some asshole DC went and invented the "twist"... and it was off to the races.
Before PFF came along to praise Mitchell Schwartz's play at RT and increase people's awareness of his overall talent - there were times significant portions of our fan base in cyberspace used to hurry to blame him for pass pro blunders. They did so without looking at how long it was talking a guy like Weeden or McCoy to get rid of the ball while he had the task of blocking Carlos Dunlap one on one outside.
Early in his career Mitch had ample turnstile moments in PassPro, but as his tech developed... ultimately ending up to where he was close to a mirror image of Joe... his grades improved.
Add that in run blocking we moved from primarily ZBS, in which Mitch struggled, to power schemes, in which he was at least "average", and the foundation for his "rise" was complete.
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Anyone that's played football remembers that when the ball is hiked its about the guy infront of you. It's war.
... and then some asshole DC went and invented the "twist"... and it was off to the races.
Before PFF came along to praise Mitchell Schwartz's play at RT and increase people's awareness of his overall talent - there were times significant portions of our fan base in cyberspace used to hurry to blame him for pass pro blunders. They did so without looking at how long it was talking a guy like Weeden or McCoy to get rid of the ball while he had the task of blocking Carlos Dunlap one on one outside.
Early in his career Mitch had ample turnstile moments in PassPro, but as his tech developed... ultimately ending up to where he was close to a mirror image of Joe... his grades improved.
Add that in run blocking we moved from primarily ZBS, in which Mitch struggled, to power schemes, in which he was at least "average", and the foundation for his "rise" was complete.
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Oh and ive seen mitchell scwartz get our qb hit befire the back foot had time to touch on a standardmedium dropback. I dont wanna hear about how our qb's hold the ball for 10 minutes. If you watch the plays you see our o line get beat by the defenders first move
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The problem with these rankings is one break down in the OL means the whole is ineffective and that is the Browns problem year after year.
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Oh and ive seen mitchell scwartz get our qb hit befire the back foot had time to touch on a standardmedium dropback. I dont wanna hear about how our qb's hold the ball for 10 minutes. If you watch the plays you see our o line get beat by the defenders first move
Oh and ive seen mitchell scwartz get our qb hit befire the back foot had time to touch on a standardmedium dropback. I dont wanna hear about how our qb's hold the ball for 10 minutes. If you watch the plays you see our o line get beat by the defenders first move
all of our QB's were in the bottom for timed releases according to today PD so it's definitely not our imagination that they hold the ball too damn long.
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Oh and ive seen mitchell scwartz get our qb hit befire the back foot had time to touch on a standardmedium dropback. I dont wanna hear about how our qb's hold the ball for 10 minutes. If you watch the plays you see our o line get beat by the defenders first move
all of our QB's were in the bottom for timed releases according to today PD so it's definitely not our imagination that they hold the ball too damn long.
all of our QB's were in the bottom for timed releases according to today PD so it's definitely not our imagination that they hold the ball too damn long.
I'm not sure how PD does their measurement but there can be many variables that could affect the time. Unless you are measuring times on completed passes, for specific yardages, on specific routes, to specific receivers I don't see much merit in a general time.
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Oh and ive seen mitchell scwartz get our qb hit befire the back foot had time to touch on a standardmedium dropback. I dont wanna hear about how our qb's hold the ball for 10 minutes. If you watch the plays you see our o line get beat by the defenders first move
all of our QB's were in the bottom for timed releases according to today PD so it's definitely not our imagination that they hold the ball too damn long.
all of our QB's were in the bottom for timed releases according to today PD so it's definitely not our imagination that they hold the ball too damn long.
What do you mean by "the bottom"? The bottom of what? And where do you even find information like that?
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all of our QB's were in the bottom for timed releases according to today PD so it's definitely not our imagination that they hold the ball too damn long.
I'm not sure how PD does their measurement but there can be many variables that could affect the time. Unless you are measuring times on completed passes, for specific yardages, on specific routes, to specific receivers I don't see much merit in a general time.
I'm not sure how PD does their measurement but there can be many variables that could affect the time. Unless you are measuring times on completed passes, for specific yardages, on specific routes, to specific receivers I don't see much merit in a general time.
Certainly is a macro metric, but the world needs those, too... I just read somewhere (maybe Pluto's column) that our QB trio of Kess, McC and RG were all in the bottom eight for the league for average release time.
As different as these three were from each other it certainly suggests to me a systemic problem or problems.
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I'm not sure how PD does their measurement but there can be many variables that could affect the time. Unless you are measuring times on completed passes, for specific yardages, on specific routes, to specific receivers I don't see much merit in a general time.
Certainly is a macro metric, but the world needs those, too... I just read somewhere (maybe Pluto's column) that our QB trio of Kess, McC and RG were all in the bottom eight for the league for average release time.
As different as these three were from each other it certainly suggests to me a systemic problem or problems.
Certainly is a macro metric, but the world needs those, too... I just read somewhere (maybe Pluto's column) that our QB trio of Kess, McC and RG were all in the bottom eight for the league for average release time.
As different as these three were from each other it certainly suggests to me a systemic problem or problems.
How do they measure "release time"? Seconds that go by from the snap till the ball is released? Or "windup" time? How long it takes a QB to go through the motion of releasing a pass? On the latter I wonder how long that would have been for a Dan Marino pass to take....vs. say a Tim Tebow pass (who had an extraordinarily long windup if I recall).
Seems that other factors would go into it if it were the former: line protection, ability of the receivers to get open, tendency of the QB to "scramble".
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all of our QB's were in the bottom for timed releases according to today PD so it's definitely not our imagination that they hold the ball too damn long.
What do you mean by "the bottom"? The bottom of what? And where do you even find information like that?
of the 50 QBs that qualified, all browns QBs were ranked in the bottom 10.What do you mean by "the bottom"? The bottom of what? And where do you even find information like that?
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of the 50 QBs that qualified, all browns QBs were ranked in the bottom 10.What do you mean by "the bottom"? The bottom of what? And where do you even find information like that?
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Um...what was your last post about...what preceded your quote?
The statement was made that the Browns QBs are in the bottom of "release times".
I asked several questions: A. Who compiles this data,..and where do you find it? i.e. what "list" exists for them to be on the bottom of.
B. How is such a thing measured? As I said...from snap, from commencement of their throwing motion...what?
See...it all sounds a bit bogus to me.
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Um...what was your last post about...what preceded your quote?
The statement was made that the Browns QBs are in the bottom of "release times".
I asked several questions: A. Who compiles this data,..and where do you find it? i.e. what "list" exists for them to be on the bottom of.
B. How is such a thing measured? As I said...from snap, from commencement of their throwing motion...what?
See...it all sounds a bit bogus to me.
How is such a thing measured? As I said...from snap, from commencement of their throwing motion...what?
See...it all sounds a bit bogus to me.
It's definitely a legit stats that teams monitor....release time is critical to success.....
It is measured from snap to release....pretty basic....
The "why" is really more important though.....just a slow release shouldnt be enough to condemn a QB.....
Lots of reasons a QB might have a slow release time.....take your pick...
1) he has a slow release....(duh)......(blame = QB)
2) he doesnt have good(ie: open) receivers......(blame = WR's).....(and coaching)
3) he could have a slow developing offense.....(blame = coaching)
4) poor field vision or not knowing where to go....(blame = QB)
5) deep drop vs shorty drop vs shotgun.....(blame = coaching)(and QB)
6) play calling.....not adjusting to the QB's needs......(blame = coaching)
So....our QB's hold the ball(which we've all known).....I say its a combination of "all the above" and not 1 thing that can be quickly fixed......
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7) straight drop vs. roll-out/quarter-roll...
situation, i.e., down and distance...9) straight vs. PAP...
And there are probably others, but given that averages are used, a lot of the variables should wash out.
The ones that don't? IMO your numbers 4 and 1. How decisive is the QB and how quick is he once he decides.
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