Gerbil Peppers Signs
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Your Michigan fan friend is a little too fanatic. I'm not sure if he's our "best player since Woodson". That's a stretch.
Yes, he won a ton of awards. First to win Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year and Special Teams Player of the Year.
His height has nothing to do with his lack of INTs. His position and how he was used, does.
Your Michigan fan friend is a little too fanatic. I'm not sure if he's our "best player since Woodson". That's a stretch. - Woody
HA! Thatta boy! Yes, he can be every bit of a football patriot as many of us Buckeye fans you detest. I think he was coming from an angle that nobody else scored TDs from the QB position, RB position, defense, punt returner and kick off returner throughout their freshman and soph seasons. That's quite an impact coming from quite a talent . - Flugel
Yes, he won a ton of awards. First to win Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year and Special Teams Player of the Year. - Woody
Thanks for making my friend's point even stronger. That's pretty decorated for just a sophomore. Speaking of stretches, you want me to believe you've really had others with this kind of immediate impact there since Woodson? Even Tom Brady didn't start until he was a junior that threw 14 TD passes to 10 INTs, which improved to 16 TD passes to 6 INTs as a senior. That made him a 6th round draft pick who ended up with much better passing statistics as an NFL starter. So what did his pedestrian college stats really mean to his pro career? Why can't the same be true for Peppers? - Flugel
His height has nothing to do with his lack of INTs. - Woody
I never said it did Woodsies. Height and INTs were 2 separate questions I had. I'm already wordy enough and didn't feel the height thing needed splainin. Since it does now, Tight Ends range from 6'3" to 6'7" in the NFL and when you factor in their longer levers - the catch radius can be a concern for Safeties/DBs under 6' in coverage.
As for the lack of INTs, I just wondered if he lacked some coverage instincts in space. The reply I got was summed up similar to your explanation "it's because of how he was used." And that was clarified that it wasn't because of what Peppers lacked - it was because of the X-factor/advantage he added to matchups the coaching staff identified. Harbaugh's description was very similar. All that from a sophomore? Nice! All that said, film shows some evidence of stone hands or catches like Edward Scissorhands. - Flugel
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Your last paragraph is pretty accurate. And to the poster above you, that had a lot to do with him winning the award. Stats aside, he was the best defensive player in the conference. He could do anything well, and a lot of things very well.
If we're just talking college Denard probably had more of an impact on his team. Very early in his career as well.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I remember when I read that Peppers had the same agent as Bosa, and I immediately knew it would be an issue. Even in this day where rookie contracts are virtually NEVER a problem, we all knew this would happen. Now we're in the middle on July and it doesn't look like there's any progress being made. Of course, he could sign it today for all we know, but we'll see. It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL to see this go into August.
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Your last paragraph is pretty accurate. And to the poster above you, that had a lot to do with him winning the award. Stats aside, he was the best defensive player in the conference. He could do anything well, and a lot of things very well.
If we're just talking college Denard probably had more of an impact on his team. Very early in his career as well.
Your last paragraph is pretty accurate. And to the poster above you, that had a lot to do with him winning the award. Stats aside, he was the best defensive player in the conference. He could do anything well, and a lot of things very well.
If we're just talking college Denard probably had more of an impact on his team. Very early in his career as well.
I'm just saying that there were guys more deserving of the best defensive player in the league. Tj watt for one. Doing things well doesn't make you the best. When I think of a defensive player of the year I think it should be a guy who impacted a big majority of the games he was in on the defensive side of the ball. Peppers impacted games more on special teams. And impacted games more on offense more frequently than he did defensively. I don't know if it was because he was trying to learn so many positions but he over ran a lot of plays and was out of position a lot. I do think he is an intelligent football player so I'm hoping concentrating on one position allows him to learn and eliminate some of those mistakes. I hope your advice to Gregg pays off and he is a stud.
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Your last paragraph is pretty accurate. And to the poster above you, that had a lot to do with him winning the award. Stats aside, he was the best defensive player in the conference. He could do anything well, and a lot of things very well.
If we're just talking college Denard probably had more of an impact on his team. Very early in his career as well.
I'm just saying that there were guys more deserving of the best defensive player in the league. Tj watt for one. Doing things well doesn't make you the best. When I think of a defensive player of the year I think it should be a guy who impacted a big majority of the games he was in on the defensive side of the ball. Peppers impacted games more on special teams. And impacted games more on offense more frequently than he did defensively. I don't know if it was because he was trying to learn so many positions but he over ran a lot of plays and was out of position a lot. I do think he is an intelligent football player so I'm hoping concentrating on one position allows him to learn and eliminate some of those mistakes. I hope your advice to Gregg pays off and he is a stud.
I'm just saying that there were guys more deserving of the best defensive player in the league. Tj watt for one. Doing things well doesn't make you the best. When I think of a defensive player of the year I think it should be a guy who impacted a big majority of the games he was in on the defensive side of the ball. Peppers impacted games more on special teams. And impacted games more on offense more frequently than he did defensively. I don't know if it was because he was trying to learn so many positions but he over ran a lot of plays and was out of position a lot. I do think he is an intelligent football player so I'm hoping concentrating on one position allows him to learn and eliminate some of those mistakes. I hope your advice to Gregg pays off and he is a stud.
I don't think you watched any Michigan games. He barely did anything on offense. That was actually one of the fans biggest complaints last year, poor use of Peppers on O.
His impact on D goes beyond stats. He caused offenses to completely change their game plan. He has a huge impact on D because he could impact an.offense from any position
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I know it happens but don't like the look from a guy who's draft position is still in question.
I know it happens but don't like the look from a guy who's draft position is still in question.
This.
WSS
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I remember when I read that Peppers had the same agent as Bosa, and I immediately knew it would be an issue. Even in this day where rookie contracts are virtually NEVER a problem, we all knew this would happen. Now we're in the middle on July and it doesn't look like there's any progress being made. Of course, he could sign it today for all we know, but we'll see. It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL to see this go into August.
I remember when I read that Peppers had the same agent as Bosa, and I immediately knew it would be an issue. Even in this day where rookie contracts are virtually NEVER a problem, we all knew this would happen. Now we're in the middle on July and it doesn't look like there's any progress being made. Of course, he could sign it today for all we know, but we'll see. It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL to see this go into August.
Well, last year there were people posting the Chargers were the ones penny pinching - Not Bosa and agent. In fairness, they posted articles to back their pov.
Our situation is a little different due to the fact we have 3 different 1st round picks we have to bottleneck into 1 rookie salary cap. On top of that, Peppers didn't go to Ohio State while the 1 year starter (Hooker) with a torn labrum and hernia (both requiring surgery) did go to Ohio State. This isn't aimed at you Jiggsies. Gee, why would a torn labrum for a Safety playing in space that will be repeatedly colliding with bigger, faster stronger players be worthy of us not picking at #12 overall; especially when there's already people expressing concerns about a slow healing ankle injury + a foot injury (on the same leg) of our #1 overall pick?
Nobody picked Hooker before #12 or at #12 or at #13 or #14 so let's not pretend this was the only team seeing a red flag with the shoulder. What do some fans know that NFL sports med staffs couldn't possibly understand? Reuben Foster went even later at #31 overall due to a shoulder injury that required reconstructive surgery with rumors he may need another surgery. Yeah, a team with our luck in round 1 should just blow these injuries off. That'll go over like a fart in church...
Even an Andy Katzenmoyer drafted by Belichick can have a very short career if he has a certain injury that will not be able to withstand NFL physics. Beginning NFL careers with neck or shoulder injuries can have a bigger say in career length than talent. I still remember us taking Christian Kirksey (#71 overall) ahead of Wisconsin's Chris Borland (#77 overall). While Borland might have jetted off to a better start - his volume of concussions that began before SF cut his career real short. You HAVE to look at the medical (and wear and tear) of prospects coming out today.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
he's on the clock now, 7 days to sign or feel the wrath of buckeye fans in NE Ohio.
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I remember when I read that Peppers had the same agent as Bosa, and I immediately knew it would be an issue. Even in this day where rookie contracts are virtually NEVER a problem, we all knew this would happen. Now we're in the middle on July and it doesn't look like there's any progress being made. Of course, he could sign it today for all we know, but we'll see. It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL to see this go into August.
Until Peppers actually misses camp or a game, I guess he isnt hurting anything(except maybe his image/likability).....once he starts missing stuff, then it hurts him and the team......
Personally, I'd prefer that he just did what 98% of draftees have already done.....just sign for the pre-determined amount and start earning that 4 year deal they all work toward.....
I was hard on Bosa too(thought he was/is a prick)....but, in his defense, he did prove his worth once he signed and started playing....lets hope Peppers can do the same.....
Until then.....to me.....he has 3 negative strikes:
1) already at stage one in the league drug program
2) last to sign a participation agreement
3) last to sign a contract....
Dont like any of it.....and now, you can add this weeks twitter comment laughing about our speculation on his contract, while he doesnt comment or offer an explanation.....(mocking the fans?).....way to win us over Gerbs.....
Now we're in the middle on July and it doesn't look like there's any progress being made. Of course, he could sign it today for all we know, but we'll see. It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL to see this go into August.
Me either.....he's raising his own bar daily.....better be good.....damn good(in fact)
Well, last year there were people posting the Chargers were the ones penny pinching - Not Bosa and agent. In fairness, they posted articles to back their pov.
Our situation is a little different due to the fact we have 3 different 1st round picks we have to bottleneck into 1 rookie salary cap.
Lots of us were all over Bosa and his dickish ways....before AND after the hold out.....OSU be damned....
Sorry, but not understanding the bottleneck comment.....the money is there and the fact that we drafted 3 in the first has no effect on that what so ever.....
he's on the clock now.....
So is your boy Trubs....Ill wait for your wrath on that one....(though, Ill guess he signs before Peppers does)
So far......253 were drafted......245 have signed......So, the last 8 must be very very special.....
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Until Peppers actually misses camp or a game, I guess he isnt hurting anything(except maybe his image/likability).....once he starts missing stuff, then it hurts him and the team......
Personally, I'd prefer that he just did what 98% of draftees have already done.....just sign for the pre-determined amount and start earning that 4 year deal they all work toward.....
I was hard on Bosa too(thought he was/is a prick)....but, in his defense, he did prove his worth once he signed and started playing....lets hope Peppers can do the same.....
Until then.....to me.....he has 3 negative strikes:
1) already at stage one in the league drug program
2) last to sign a participation agreement
3) last to sign a contract....
Dont like any of it.....and now, you can add this weeks twitter comment laughing about our speculation on his contract, while he doesnt comment or offer an explanation.....(mocking the fans?).....way to win us over Gerbs.....
Now we're in the middle on July and it doesn't look like there's any progress being made. Of course, he could sign it today for all we know, but we'll see. It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL to see this go into August.
Me either.....he's raising his own bar daily.....better be good.....damn good(in fact)
Well, last year there were people posting the Chargers were the ones penny pinching - Not Bosa and agent. In fairness, they posted articles to back their pov.
Our situation is a little different due to the fact we have 3 different 1st round picks we have to bottleneck into 1 rookie salary cap.
Lots of us were all over Bosa and his dickish ways....before AND after the hold out.....OSU be damned....
Sorry, but not understanding the bottleneck comment.....the money is there and the fact that we drafted 3 in the first has no effect on that what so ever.....
he's on the clock now.....
So is your boy Trubs....Ill wait for your wrath on that one....(though, Ill guess he signs before Peppers does)
So far......253 were drafted......245 have signed......So, the last 8 must be very very special.....
So is your boy Trubs....Ill wait for your wrath on that one....(though, Ill guess he signs before Peppers does)
So far......253 were drafted......245 have signed......So, the last 8 must be very very special.....
Not a Brown, don't really care anymore. We will all care though when he's leading his team to the playoffs, and Garrett is just another D lineman. I hope I'm wrong on Garrett but I don't think his stats will warrant passing on a franchise QB.
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So is your boy Trubs....Ill wait for your wrath on that one....(though, Ill guess he signs before Peppers does)
So far......253 were drafted......245 have signed......So, the last 8 must be very very special.....
Not a Brown, don't really care anymore. We will all care though when he's leading his team to the playoffs, and Garrett is just another D lineman. I hope I'm wrong on Garrett but I don't think his stats will warrant passing on a franchise QB.
Not a Brown, don't really care anymore. We will all care though when he's leading his team to the playoffs.
Something tells me it'll be you caring if/when he does well....just a hunch.....
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Not a Brown, don't really care anymore. We will all care though when he's leading his team to the playoffs.
Something tells me it'll be you caring if/when he does well....just a hunch.....
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Of course Trubisky is holding out on the shit eating Chicago Bears. Peckers is holding out against the saintly Cleveland Browns.
WSS
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if he sucks let's all go to Woody's House with pitchforks and torches!!!
AAAAARRRRGGHHH!!!
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if he sucks let's all go to Woody's House with pitchforks and torches!!!
AAAAARRRRGGHHH!!!
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Shit I just got the house. It needs to last one season
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I'm just saying that there were guys more deserving of the best defensive player in the league. Tj watt for one. Doing things well doesn't make you the best. When I think of a defensive player of the year I think it should be a guy who impacted a big majority of the games he was in on the defensive side of the ball. Peppers impacted games more on special teams. And impacted games more on offense more frequently than he did defensively. I don't know if it was because he was trying to learn so many positions but he over ran a lot of plays and was out of position a lot. I do think he is an intelligent football player so I'm hoping concentrating on one position allows him to learn and eliminate some of those mistakes. I hope your advice to Gregg pays off and he is a stud.
I don't think you watched any Michigan games. He barely did anything on offense. That was actually one of the fans biggest complaints last year, poor use of Peppers on O.
His impact on D goes beyond stats. He caused offenses to completely change their game plan. He has a huge impact on D because he could impact an.offense from any position
His impact on D goes beyond stats. He caused offenses to completely change their game plan. He has a huge impact on D because he could impact an.offense from any position
Exactly what he and Garrett have in common. It was not unusual for him to sometimes move inside to DT or even to come from the LDE spot just to throw a curveball that was unexpected. It usually confused the OL and led to a few big defensive plays. I had wished they would have done it more often than they did since he was usually at least double teamed coming from RDE.
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Still....no or few ints for his position could raise question mark about his ball skills....plus, his coverage skills have already been questioned. Is he just a glorified kick returner? (not that that is not something the Browns need desperately).
And he can't prove diddley if he doesn't sign and get into camp.
It depends on how he was used. Fans in here questioned his coverage skills not to be confused with SB Winning HC Jon Gruden that praised what his instincts and flexible roles/experience at Michigan offers an NFL DC. How was Peppers the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year in 2016 if he's only a glorified kick returner? Come on - set the college rivalry aside here.
Here's a link to short video that shows some good defense as well as what he offered his offense and STs.
It depends on how he was used. Fans in here questioned his coverage skills not to be confused with SB Winning HC Jon Gruden that praised what his instincts and flexible roles/experience at Michigan offers an NFL DC. How was Peppers the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year in 2016 if he's only a glorified kick returner? Come on - set the college rivalry aside here.
Here's a link to short video that shows some good defense as well as what he offered his offense and STs.
The college rivalry is set aside. It was the Michigan man on here that said his coverage skills were questionable. And I am just relating the stats regarding his lack of INTs. And the other question is....being All American in college gets you diddley in the pros. He was a tweener in college. Can he convert to being quality at manning a single position? Or will that hybrid label translate? I would like to see it translate....and maybe Williams can get the best out of a hybrid player. I would like to see that..I think the Browns can use it......but he can't learn either or any roles sitting on the sideline.
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I'm just saying that there were guys more deserving of the best defensive player in the league. Tj watt for one. Doing things well doesn't make you the best. When I think of a defensive player of the year I think it should be a guy who impacted a big majority of the games he was in on the defensive side of the ball. Peppers impacted games more on special teams. And impacted games more on offense more frequently than he did defensively. I don't know if it was because he was trying to learn so many positions but he over ran a lot of plays and was out of position a lot. I do think he is an intelligent football player so I'm hoping concentrating on one position allows him to learn and eliminate some of those mistakes. I hope your advice to Gregg pays off and he is a stud.
I don't think you watched any Michigan games. He barely did anything on offense. That was actually one of the fans biggest complaints last year, poor use of Peppers on O.
His impact on D goes beyond stats. He caused offenses to completely change their game plan. He has a huge impact on D because he could impact an.offense from any position
I don't think you watched any Michigan games. He barely did anything on offense. That was actually one of the fans biggest complaints last year, poor use of Peppers on O.
His impact on D goes beyond stats. He caused offenses to completely change their game plan. He has a huge impact on D because he could impact an.offense from any position
I watched almost every Michigan game. He impacted games early in the season on offense but then once teams figured out they never used him as a decoy and if he was in the game he was getting the ball. They keyed on him offensively and he quit impacting games because he touched the ball so rarely and teams knew he was getting it when he did touch it.
Exactly my point he rarely impacted games on defense in my opinion. The way teams changed their gameplans were that they ran right at him because he ran himself out of plays
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I remember when I read that Peppers had the same agent as Bosa, and I immediately knew it would be an issue. Even in this day where rookie contracts are virtually NEVER a problem, we all knew this would happen. Now we're in the middle on July and it doesn't look like there's any progress being made. Of course, he could sign it today for all we know, but we'll see. It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL to see this go into August.
Well, last year there were people posting the Chargers were the ones penny pinching - Not Bosa and agent. In fairness, they posted articles to back their pov.
Our situation is a little different due to the fact we have 3 different 1st round picks we have to bottleneck into 1 rookie salary cap. On top of that, Peppers didn't go to Ohio State while the 1 year starter (Hooker) with a torn labrum and hernia (both requiring surgery) did go to Ohio State. This isn't aimed at you Jiggsies. Gee, why would a torn labrum for a Safety playing in space that will be repeatedly colliding with bigger, faster stronger players be worthy of us not picking at #12 overall; especially when there's already people expressing concerns about a slow healing ankle injury + a foot injury (on the same leg) of our #1 overall pick?
Nobody picked Hooker before #12 or at #12 or at #13 or #14 so let's not pretend this was the only team seeing a red flag with the shoulder. What do some fans know that NFL sports med staffs couldn't possibly understand? Reuben Foster went even later at #31 overall due to a shoulder injury that required reconstructive surgery with rumors he may need another surgery. Yeah, a team with our luck in round 1 should just blow these injuries off. That'll go over like a fart in church...
Even an Andy Katzenmoyer drafted by Belichick can have a very short career if he has a certain injury that will not be able to withstand NFL physics. Beginning NFL careers with neck or shoulder injuries can have a bigger say in career length than talent. I still remember us taking Christian Kirksey (#71 overall) ahead of Wisconsin's Chris Borland (#77 overall). While Borland might have jetted off to a better start - his volume of concussions that began before SF cut his career real short. You HAVE to look at the medical (and wear and tear) of prospects coming out today.
Thus the basis for his negotiating position...
If folks think you are the perfect player for your DC's signature scheme, then you are going to use that to full advantage.
Here's my prediction: If Peppers is still holding out at the start of Camp, then early and often yo can expect to hear Williams lauding a DB who is in Camp filling "the Peppers role".
Well, last year there were people posting the Chargers were the ones penny pinching - Not Bosa and agent.
Since the issue between Bosa and SD was "offset" language, which only comes into play should the rookie depart (a/k/a "bust") prior to the end of his contract, I have a little trouble with that characterization. If I owned a team, then I know I would be reluctant to pay a player to play against me.
We will all care though when he's leading his team to the playoffs, and Garrett is just another D lineman. I hope I'm wrong on Garrett but I don't think his stats will warrant passing on a franchise QB.
Not if we land our own "Franchise" QB in the meantime...
And if the Bears making the playoffs with Mitch at the wheel is the measure, we should have at least three years to land one.
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