Browns Board All Time NFL Draft
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Let me know when someone wins a rushing title eight years in a row again.
Let me know when Jim Brown does that.
Let me know when Jim Brown does that.
JB won 5 in a row, then Jim Taylor won one year, then JB won 3 more in a row. He won 8 out of 9 seasons.
Only two other players in history have matched the 3 in a row in rushing titles: Earl Campbell and Emmitt Smith.
Jim Browns 8 total rushing titles are double of what anyone else has ever done:
Emmit Smith, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, OJ Simpson, and Steve Van Buren won 4 rushing titles each.
Earl Campbell, Adrian Peterson and Joe Perry won 3 each
The following won 2 each: Whizzer White, Spec Sanders, Marion Motley, Leroy Kelley, LaDanian Tomlinson, Jim Nance, Gale Sayers, Edgerrin James, Cookie Gilchrist, Cliff Battles and Bill Dudley.
There is glaring omission from the above: Walter Payton only won 1 NFL rushing title in his entire career. I would not have guessed that.
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@boo-fagley said:
E Manning was lucky. The Tyree catch kept him in the game.
Oakland was lucky. Rutagliano called red right 88 and Sipe didnt throw it in lake Erie.
Phil Simms was lucky, the Bills kicker missed the FG that would have won the SB.
Elway was lucky. Byner fumbled.
We can go back and analyze every NFL game and find lucky reasons for the win.
Belcihick and the NE staff are the idiots. Cant they see that Brady is all done?
Belichick IS an idiot....at least we can agree about that. (but he may be an idiot for reasons we are not talking about here).
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@boo-fagley said:
Yes, Belichick has 7 Super Bowl rings because he is an idiot.
Thats it!
You don't pay attention. I said he is an idiot for reasons we are not talking about here. Was that too nuanced?
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@boo-fagley said:
Maybe Belichick is just lucky?
Before you tell me about Brady in the 6th round, Bob Kraft loved Drew Bledsoe and the Patriots just signed him to a $100 million dollar contract. Belichick was forced to go along with it, but internally he was sick of Bledsoe and his antics.
He was lucky that they got Tom Brady, absolutely no doubt about it. What if the Browns had taken him instead like 3 picks earlier, and the Pats had gotten Spergon Wynn. Purely serendipitous.
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With the 10th pick in the Browns Board All Time NFL Draft, Suomi selects: Bo Jackson, with an injury-free 10+ year career
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@boo-fagley said:
What reasons?
He didnt uses Remax to sell his house in Cleveland? Can you be less vague?
Yes....because he is a pluperfect prick. Maybe that is not being an idiot...but since anyone's definition of what an idiot is is vague it will suffice.
Just live with the fact that the guy is an idiot...and don't sweat the details.
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@boo-fagley said:
Its not that easy.
Belichick put Brady in the perfect system to succeed. The Browns didnt have the perfect system. Atlanta drafted Brett Farve and thought that he was a bust. Belichick couldnt spend a high pick on Brady with Bledsoe. 4th or a 5th? Sure, but NE wasnt really looking for a QB with so many other needs.
So....what you are saying is that it was the system, and not the man or his talent. That if in fact the Browns had taken Brady....they would have been no better than they have been....and that if the Pats had taken Spergon Wynn...that they would have won the 5 Super Bowls because of BBs "system". Keep smoking what you're smoking dude. I mean, the world is your oyster and you are just flying above it.
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@boo-fagley said:
A lot of people know that BB is not an idiot.
Modell was the idiot.
They deserved each other...its just that Cleveland didn't deserve either.
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@boo-fagley said:
With some of the decisions that Clevelands ownership has made over the years do actually think that Bradys career would have been the same in Cleveland?
No....but it sounds like you think that Spergon Wynn's career would have been the same as Brady's if he had been taken by the Pats then.
If Brady was drafted by the Browns today , yes I believe that the chance of Brady succeeding is almost a given since I firmly believe that Cleveland has a very bright GM in Sashi Brown. I thought that the last draft was superb and FA moves are going to produce wins.
I dont smoke anything or do drugs.
There are certain evidentiary contraindications to your statement.
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@boo-fagley said:
No, Modell is an idiot.
Just like Jerry Jones and Danny Synder.
Worse....those guys are financially competent....Modell was not. Its why he was kicked out of the league.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Pats still had Bledsoe and Wynn would never have beat him out. Besides you made that statement for me.
I was wondering the same about you. A few too many drink at lunch.
Brady didn't technically beat Bledsoe out when he took over. Bledsoe got hurt, remember. If it wasn't Brady taking over then it would have been someone, possibly even Spergon Wynn. But it was Brady who happened to be there. Then Brady took off.
But...you see...NOW you are agreeing with me: It was Tom Brady's talent that allowed him to take control of that team...and NOT BBs "system". You admit now that Spergon Wynn would not have accomplished the same as TB in BBs "system"....ergo...it is Brady's talent...not BBs system that was pre-eminent in that team's success.
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@boo-fagley said:
All 3 are incessant meddlers who could and cannot stay out of football operations.
Bob Kraft meddled in the draft and that is why Parcells quit.
OK...but still.....Snyder, Jones and Kraft were fiscally responsible meddlers...Modell was not.
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@boo-fagley said:
Im not sure what I have agreed to.
Its like Im on the witness stand trying to defend myself for things I did not say.
Bottom line is that you agreed that I am right. No more need be said.
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@boo-fagley said:
I dont remember that.
Alzheimers?
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@boo-fagley said:
No, i strive to only remember facts.
But your Alzheimers prevents you from doing so.
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@boo-fagley said:
I dont recall being diagnosed with Alzheimers.
Early onset, apparently. Undiagnosed. Point is: you said that it was BBs system that has been responsible for the Pats success. I said it is the talent of Tom Brady.
I said that if it was BBs system, then they would have been just as successful without Brady..even with Spergon Wynn.
You said that when Bledsoe went down that Tom Brady took control of the QB spot. You said that Spergon Wynn would not have beaten out Bledsoe....but you admit that Tom Brady did.
Ergo...it was NOT the system that BB ran......it was the talent of Tom Brady that has won for them all these years.
You agreed with that with your implication that Wynn could not have been successful where Brady was.
Ergo...you implicitly agree with me that it is Tom Brady's talent, not Bill B's system that is primarily responsible for their Championship success.
If you have to write this down to remember it, that's OK.
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Modell still gets a lot of hits.
If you are going to slam him for being financially irresponsible, then the same insults apply to Bernie Kosar. Honestly, people celebrated what a financial wizard he was, and his bank account turned into Wargogay's.
Modell accomplished a lot of great things, both for the NFL and for the Browns. He will forever be a bastard because he fired Paul Brown, even though it was the right decision and any owner would have done the same. Demonize the guy all you want but he brought fans a lot of great football, and he personally chose and forced the FO to take some damn good players, Greg Pruitt being one of them.
Like it or not, the guy was an integral part of the good times. His financial woes at the end of his life, to me, were sad. That he didn't have the relationships around him with the city and state, to me draw shame on everyone involved. They all screwed us.
This 2017 team is going to be the most pivotal ever. Another 1 - 15 performance, and you can kiss football in Cleveland goodbye. I don't see Haslam selling, as who the fuck would want to buy an NFL team after another year of failure. If these guys suck, Haslam will go into win prevention mode, not that he hasn't already been there.
Seriously, after all the talk of analytics, youth, assests, money ball, etc.......if 2017 isn't markedly better, the stadium will be a ghost town in 2018.
You guys got your OL, you got your avoidance of top name QB, you got your refusal of big name WRs, and RBs. If this turns out to be shit, what could the team possibly say about 2018? Seriously, after all this smoke and mirrors shit, another 1 - 15? How could the franchise ever expect someone to believe that "next year is the year".
I am going to be supportive. I'll drink the Cool-aid, but 0 - 4 0 - 6 for sure, I'll spit it out and be done. Modell has nothing to do with this predicament.
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