The CTE Thread...
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I recently heard an expert on NPR who said that the helmet cannot do much more to help the brain. In order to make a difference the helmet would have to be HUGE...like the size of a beach ball. (the body was not made for football)
While true, if the outer shell of the helmet was softer than it is today - it wouldn't be used nearly as much as a weapon for tackling people like it has been in the last 4-5 decades or so.
For example, Rugby has no head gear so there is far less temptation to tackle people head first.
if the outer shell of the helmet was softer than it is today - it wouldn't be used nearly as much as a weapon for tackling people
I dunno.
I think, as a football player, blocker or defender, you're stuck with your head on top of your shoulders. It's just kind of there. And wherever you go, as a football player, it seems to lead the way.
Players are being taught to play 'heads-up' football...but that sometimes puts you in a somewhat awkward position to make a good wrap-up tackle. Which could result in a missed tackle. - And that RB plowing through the LOS is not gonna be havin' his head up looking at the clouds. He's gonna want his head and shoulders low to plow you over....so what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Making the outside of the helmet softer sounds like an expensive proposition...with the exterior probably needing replacement(s). Perhaps there's something they could do in that area however. Every little bit helps (a little).
Although removing the helmet completely, in theory sounds good, it will just result in MANY MORE concussions from just the normal bumping (more like banging) into other players.
Anyone wanna be filthy rich?
Invent something to fix this problem.
Everyone. To your garages with velcro, duct tape and a hammer.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
The brains were of NFL players who were experiencing symptoms.. NOT all players. This may be a distinction without a difference, but the sample is skewed.
Soccer players die young from CTE. CTE is an issue in all of soccer.
Also affected by CTE:
Lacrosse is currently seen as much less violent than any of these.
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if the outer shell of the helmet was softer than it is today - it wouldn't be used nearly as much as a weapon for tackling people
I dunno.
I think, as a football player, blocker or defender, you're stuck with your head on top of your shoulders. It's just kind of there. And wherever you go, as a football player, it seems to lead the way.
Players are being taught to play 'heads-up' football...but that sometimes puts you in a somewhat awkward position to make a good wrap-up tackle. Which could result in a missed tackle. - And that RB plowing through the LOS is not gonna be havin' his head up looking at the clouds. He's gonna want his head and shoulders low to plow you over....so what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Making the outside of the helmet softer sounds like an expensive proposition...with the exterior probably needing replacement(s). Perhaps there's something they could do in that area however. Every little bit helps (a little).
Although removing the helmet completely, in theory sounds good, it will just result in MANY MORE concussions from just the normal bumping (more like banging) into other players.
Anyone wanna be filthy rich?
Invent something to fix this problem.
Everyone. To your garages with velcro, duct tape and a hammer.
Players are being taught to play 'heads-up' football...but that sometimes puts you in a somewhat awkward position to make a good wrap-up tackle.
Although removing the helmet completely, in theory sounds good, it will just result in MANY MORE concussions from just the normal bumping (more like banging) into other players.
Heads up is more about spinal injury potential than it is concussion and is a key part of the "form tackle". Facemask in the sternum... arms wrapped around the waist pulling the base of the ball carrier's back to you. See what you hit was emphasized when I was taught to block and tackle... back in the stone age. Head down accounts for more missed blocks and tackles that the player was in position to make than any other single factor I can think of.
The helmet point is an interesting one. Agree that you max protect the head. Maybe you reduce the "safety" of the rest of the body armor that is today's padding. At the heart of the "grasp and drag down" tackling style that dominates rugby is the lack of shoulder pads.
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WHAT CAUSES CTE?
The best available evidence tells us that CTE is caused by repetitive hits to the head sustained over a period of years. This doesn’t mean a handful of concussions: most people diagnosed with CTE suffered hundreds or thousands of head impacts over the course of many years playing contact sports or serving in the military. And it’s not just concussions: the best available evidence points towards sub-concussive impacts, or hits to the head that don’t cause full-blown concussions, as the biggest factor....
CTE has been found in... Source of head impacts
Boxers Punches to the head
Tackle football players Hits to the helmet
Soccer players Headers and collisions
Ice hockey players Fighting, checking
Military veterans Blast injuries, combat
Victims of domestic abuse Repeated violence
WHAT CAUSES CTE?
The best available evidence tells us that CTE is caused by repetitive hits to the head sustained over a period of years. This doesnt mean a handful of concussions: most people diagnosed with CTE suffered hundreds or thousands of head impacts over the course of many years playing contact sports or serving in the military. And its not just concussions: the best available evidence points towards sub-concussive impacts, or hits to the head that dont cause full-blown concussions, as the biggest factor....
CTE has been found in... Source of head impacts
Boxers Punches to the head
Tackle football players Hits to the helmet
Soccer players Headers and collisions
Ice hockey players Fighting, checking
Military veterans Blast injuries, combat
Victims of domestic abuse Repeated violence
Well then it's time we Outlaw all of these activities.
WSS
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WHAT CAUSES CTE?
The best available evidence tells us that CTE is caused by repetitive hits to the head sustained over a period of years. This doesnt mean a handful of concussions: most people diagnosed with CTE suffered hundreds or thousands of head impacts over the course of many years playing contact sports or serving in the military. And its not just concussions: the best available evidence points towards sub-concussive impacts, or hits to the head that dont cause full-blown concussions, as the biggest factor....
CTE has been found in... Source of head impacts
Boxers Punches to the head
Tackle football players Hits to the helmet
Soccer players Headers and collisions
Ice hockey players Fighting, checking
Military veterans Blast injuries, combat
Victims of domestic abuse Repeated violence
Well then it's time we Outlaw all of these activities.
WSS
Well then it's time we Outlaw all of these activities.
WSS
Outlaw? By whom? Who will step up and say NO to any of them particularly elected officals....wait they are the only ones who really can do something about it.
Then what outlaw cigarettes with substantial penalties, alcohol wait tried that with disastrous results (basically created organized crime), cell phones, they are killers as bad as DUI.
And the big question what about the vast money influences here, jobs, careers and more.
Oh and the FANS! They'll beat you silly if you touch their sport!
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Players are being taught to play 'heads-up' football...but that sometimes puts you in a somewhat awkward position to make a good wrap-up tackle.
Although removing the helmet completely, in theory sounds good, it will just result in MANY MORE concussions from just the normal bumping (more like banging) into other players.
Heads up is more about spinal injury potential than it is concussion and is a key part of the "form tackle". Facemask in the sternum... arms wrapped around the waist pulling the base of the ball carrier's back to you. See what you hit was emphasized when I was taught to block and tackle... back in the stone age. Head down accounts for more missed blocks and tackles that the player was in position to make than any other single factor I can think of.
The helmet point is an interesting one. Agree that you max protect the head. Maybe you reduce the "safety" of the rest of the body armor that is today's padding. At the heart of the "grasp and drag down" tackling style that dominates rugby is the lack of shoulder pads.
At the heart of the "grasp and drag down" tackling style that dominates rugby is the lack of shoulder pads.
OSU and probably other colleges have now gone nearly exclusively to using rugby-style tackling in the open field to decrease missed tackles. When players go for kill shots at the highest levels they whiff more often than not.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
At the heart of the "grasp and drag down" tackling style that dominates rugby is the lack of shoulder pads.
OSU and probably other colleges have now gone nearly exclusively to using rugby-style tackling in the open field to decrease missed tackles. When players go for kill shots at the highest levels they whiff more often than not.
OSU and probably other colleges have now gone nearly exclusively to using rugby-style tackling in the open field to decrease missed tackles. When players go for kill shots at the highest levels they whiff more often than not.
As famously the Seattle Seahawks have...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
At the heart of the "grasp and drag down" tackling style that dominates rugby is the lack of shoulder pads.
OSU and probably other colleges have now gone nearly exclusively to using rugby-style tackling in the open field to decrease missed tackles. When players go for kill shots at the highest levels they whiff more often than not.
OSU and probably other colleges have now gone nearly exclusively to using rugby-style tackling in the open field to decrease missed tackles. When players go for kill shots at the highest levels they whiff more often than not.
Precisely! It's a big reason tackling has seemed like a lost art over the years - especially in Cleveland.
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OSU and probably other colleges have now gone nearly exclusively to using rugby-style tackling in the open field to decrease missed tackles. When players go for kill shots at the highest levels they whiff more often than not.
As famously the Seattle Seahawks have...
As famously the Seattle Seahawks have...
Great example Tour! And correct me if I am wrong here - but I think they go against some traditional teachings like when a defender has to tackle a ballcarrier running down the sidelines from his pursuit angle - the Seahawks are taught to keep the head up and hit with the shoulder while making sure their helmet slides to the backside of the ballcarrier, When you think about it, ballcarriers are supposed to be carrying the football in their arm closest to the sideline so Seattle gives their tacklers a better chance to get their helmet on the ball in these situations. They just have to make sure they wrap well while they are driving/hitting through the ballcarrier to the ground/sideline. I like the innovation and the safety of it all.
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