HOF Weekend
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They ripped out the turf in the Superdome to bring it to Canton to use it 1 (one) time in the HOF game.
Seems excruciatingly stupid to me, but when the guy (Tom Benson) donates $30 million...he got what he asked for.
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Wet paint caused the cancellation of a football game? What kind of hairy high school horseshit is that?
Yeah like the NFL is some two bit rum dumb fly by night operation.Wet paint caused the cancellation of a football game? What kind of hairy high school horseshit is that?
"Sorry tonight's nationally televised game is cancelled due to <hmmmm> wet or congealing paint or somethin' on the playing field".
Oh Christ I'd love to try something lame like that in the places I worked, you would be checking the want ads that next day.
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I don't know exactly when they're finalized.Aren't these announced with the schedule?
2018
Pro Football Hall of Fame, Canton, OH
We are accepting fully refundable, no obligation, $200 per person deposits.
Players Newly Eligible in 2018: Antoine Winfield, Bart Scott, Brandon Moore, Braylon Edwards, Brendon Ayanbadejo, Brian Jennings, Brian Urlacher, Casey Hampton, Chris Cooley, Chris Hope, Donald Driver, James Farrior, Jammal Brown, Jason Hanson, Jeff Saturday, Keith Brooking, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Leonard Davis, Marcus Trufant, Matt Birk, Michael Turner, Nate Clements, Nate Kaeding, Ray Lewis, Randy Moss, Richard Seymour, Ronde Barber, Shawne Merriman, Steve Hutchinson, Takeo Spikes, Todd Heap.
Final Itinerary and Pricing Coming Soon.
Dates/itinerary/rates are subject to change until trip is finalized. Previous dates/itinerary/rates may appear simply for illustrative purposes if new dates are not yet available.
A fully-refundable deposit will secure your reservation and guarantee you are contacted with the option to book before the trip is available to the general public.
I don't know exactly when they're finalized.
2018
Pro Football Hall of Fame, Canton, OH
We are accepting fully refundable, no obligation, $200 per person deposits.
Players Newly Eligible in 2018: Antoine Winfield, Bart Scott, Brandon Moore, Braylon Edwards, Brendon Ayanbadejo, Brian Jennings, Brian Urlacher, Casey Hampton, Chris Cooley, Chris Hope, Donald Driver, James Farrior, Jammal Brown, Jason Hanson, Jeff Saturday, Keith Brooking, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Leonard Davis, Marcus Trufant, Matt Birk, Michael Turner, Nate Clements, Nate Kaeding, Ray Lewis, Randy Moss, Richard Seymour, Ronde Barber, Shawne Merriman, Steve Hutchinson, Takeo Spikes, Todd Heap.
Final Itinerary and Pricing Coming Soon.
Dates/itinerary/rates are subject to change until trip is finalized. Previous dates/itinerary/rates may appear simply for illustrative purposes if new dates are not yet available.
A fully-refundable deposit will secure your reservation and guarantee you are contacted with the option to book before the trip is available to the general public.
pretty shit list except for moss
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I don't know exactly when they're finalized.
2018
Pro Football Hall of Fame, Canton, OH
We are accepting fully refundable, no obligation, $200 per person deposits.
Players Newly Eligible in 2018: Antoine Winfield, Bart Scott, Brandon Moore, Braylon Edwards, Brendon Ayanbadejo, Brian Jennings, Brian Urlacher, Casey Hampton, Chris Cooley, Chris Hope, Donald Driver, James Farrior, Jammal Brown, Jason Hanson, Jeff Saturday, Keith Brooking, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Leonard Davis, Marcus Trufant, Matt Birk, Michael Turner, Nate Clements, Nate Kaeding, Ray Lewis, Randy Moss, Richard Seymour, Ronde Barber, Shawne Merriman, Steve Hutchinson, Takeo Spikes, Todd Heap.
Final Itinerary and Pricing Coming Soon.
Dates/itinerary/rates are subject to change until trip is finalized. Previous dates/itinerary/rates may appear simply for illustrative purposes if new dates are not yet available.
A fully-refundable deposit will secure your reservation and guarantee you are contacted with the option to book before the trip is available to the general public.
pretty shit list except for moss
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Here are the Hall of Fame Presenters for Next Week's Induction Ceremony:
Morten Andersen....his son Sebastian
Terrell Davis...his agent/friend Neil Schwartz
Kenny Easley...his high school coach Tommy Rhodes
Jerry Jones...His wife Gene
Jason Taylor...his coach with the Dolphins: Jimmy Johnson
LaDanian Tomlinson...his Charger teammate Lorenzo Neal
Kurt Warner....his wife Brenda
But....here is a fresh Irony: Jimmy Johnson is presenting Jason Taylor.....but Jerry Jones is being inducted into the HOF.
I am sorry, but that is a fucking travesty in my opinion.
Isn't it fair to say that the success the Cowboy's have had on the field in the last 25 years was due to Jimmy Johnson and NOT fucking Jerry Jones? The Cowboys have won maybe a couple of playoff games total in those 20+ years ....since Barry Switzer won the SB with the players that Jimmy Johnson put together.
Why is Jerry fucking Jones getting elected anyway?
I guess some say he has been great for the game.....IF counting money is the only thing that matters in the game. Maybe it does to a lot of the HOF voters.
While this asshole has apparently been instrumental in bringing a lot of money into the league...that is ALL the motherfucker has done. Mediocre teams. Brought in a lot of sketchy characters to his team. He promoted the franchise movements that have gone on...such as the Rams. He said a big fuck you to loyal fans, just so that....in his words "the good fans of Los Angeles could have a team". Where is hell are you going to find these "good fans of LA". The two teams that are now in that city don't care about those teams. Per MarkO, LA is a Raider town....a team from a different city...be it Oakland or Las Vegas. Jerry Jones is just a celebrity ass sniffer...and he wanted a team in LA just so it can be said that the NFL is in town with a lot of celebrities. (yea, like OJ and the Cardassians). Or, maybe just because he wanted a Super Bowl to be played in LA because he thought there was more money in it. That is all he is about....more money.
Jimmy Johnson built the reputation of the team he owns...and it is Jimmy Johnson who should more properly be getting in, not Jerrah. Yet Johnson has to be a presenter instead of an inductee. Ridiculous.
Here are the Hall of Fame Presenters for Next Week's Induction Ceremony:
Morten Andersen....his son Sebastian
Terrell Davis...his agent/friend Neil Schwartz
Kenny Easley...his high school coach Tommy Rhodes
Jerry Jones...His wife Gene
Jason Taylor...his coach with the Dolphins: Jimmy Johnson
LaDanian Tomlinson...his Charger teammate Lorenzo Neal
Kurt Warner....his wife Brenda
But....here is a fresh Irony: Jimmy Johnson is presenting Jason Taylor.....but Jerry Jones is being inducted into the HOF.
I am sorry, but that is a fucking travesty in my opinion.
Isn't it fair to say that the success the Cowboy's have had on the field in the last 25 years was due to Jimmy Johnson and NOT fucking Jerry Jones? The Cowboys have won maybe a couple of playoff games total in those 20+ years ....since Barry Switzer won the SB with the players that Jimmy Johnson put together.
Why is Jerry fucking Jones getting elected anyway?
I guess some say he has been great for the game.....IF counting money is the only thing that matters in the game. Maybe it does to a lot of the HOF voters.
While this asshole has apparently been instrumental in bringing a lot of money into the league...that is ALL the motherfucker has done. Mediocre teams. Brought in a lot of sketchy characters to his team. He promoted the franchise movements that have gone on...such as the Rams. He said a big fuck you to loyal fans, just so that....in his words "the good fans of Los Angeles could have a team". Where is hell are you going to find these "good fans of LA". The two teams that are now in that city don't care about those teams. Per MarkO, LA is a Raider town....a team from a different city...be it Oakland or Las Vegas. Jerry Jones is just a celebrity ass sniffer...and he wanted a team in LA just so it can be said that the NFL is in town with a lot of celebrities. (yea, like OJ and the Cardassians). Or, maybe just because he wanted a Super Bowl to be played in LA because he thought there was more money in it. That is all he is about....more money.
Jimmy Johnson built the reputation of the team he owns...and it is Jimmy Johnson who should more properly be getting in, not Jerrah. Yet Johnson has to be a presenter instead of an inductee. Ridiculous.
^^^^ This. You're preaching to to choir Gip. I've always said, as in baseball- there should be a section for players and coaches- and then one for "contributors". As you point out- about all Jones has done is contribute a lot of $$$ to the other owners pockets. Don't get me started on how he encouraged Carpetbagger Kroenke to screw over St. Louis and head to supposedly greener pastures in LA. Thankfully, I have to believe Art Modell's ship has sailed on getting in, kudos to Tony Grossi for standing up to the voters and explaining the reason he should never be inducted.
To my mind there's probably only a couple owners who really belong- George Halas, Curly Lambeau. They get the nod because they coached too. Grudgingly have to accept Rolling Stone Al Davis for the same reason, though it could be said the Crypt Keeper was an even bigger a-hole than Jones. .
Really- anyone got a valid reason why these guys are in? Wellington Mara, Art & Dan Rooney, Pete Rozelle?
PS- after contributing Million$$$ to the HOF site- just watch for the push to get Tom Benson in.
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Here are the Hall of Fame Presenters for Next Week's Induction Ceremony:
Morten Andersen....his son Sebastian
Terrell Davis...his agent/friend Neil Schwartz
Kenny Easley...his high school coach Tommy Rhodes
Jerry Jones...His wife Gene
Jason Taylor...his coach with the Dolphins: Jimmy Johnson
LaDanian Tomlinson...his Charger teammate Lorenzo Neal
Kurt Warner....his wife Brenda
But....here is a fresh Irony: Jimmy Johnson is presenting Jason Taylor.....but Jerry Jones is being inducted into the HOF.
I am sorry, but that is a fucking travesty in my opinion.
Isn't it fair to say that the success the Cowboy's have had on the field in the last 25 years was due to Jimmy Johnson and NOT fucking Jerry Jones? The Cowboys have won maybe a couple of playoff games total in those 20+ years ....since Barry Switzer won the SB with the players that Jimmy Johnson put together.
Why is Jerry fucking Jones getting elected anyway?
I guess some say he has been great for the game.....IF counting money is the only thing that matters in the game. Maybe it does to a lot of the HOF voters.
While this asshole has apparently been instrumental in bringing a lot of money into the league...that is ALL the motherfucker has done. Mediocre teams. Brought in a lot of sketchy characters to his team. He promoted the franchise movements that have gone on...such as the Rams. He said a big fuck you to loyal fans, just so that....in his words "the good fans of Los Angeles could have a team". Where is hell are you going to find these "good fans of LA". The two teams that are now in that city don't care about those teams. Per MarkO, LA is a Raider town....a team from a different city...be it Oakland or Las Vegas. Jerry Jones is just a celebrity ass sniffer...and he wanted a team in LA just so it can be said that the NFL is in town with a lot of celebrities. (yea, like OJ and the Cardassians). Or, maybe just because he wanted a Super Bowl to be played in LA because he thought there was more money in it. That is all he is about....more money.
Jimmy Johnson built the reputation of the team he owns...and it is Jimmy Johnson who should more properly be getting in, not Jerrah. Yet Johnson has to be a presenter instead of an inductee. Ridiculous.
^^^^ This. You're preaching to to choir Gip. I've always said, as in baseball- there should be a section for players and coaches- and then one for "contributors". As you point out- about all Jones has done is contribute a lot of $$$ to the other owners pockets. Don't get me started on how he encouraged Carpetbagger Kroenke to screw over St. Louis and head to supposedly greener pastures in LA. Thankfully, I have to believe Art Modell's ship has sailed on getting in, kudos to Tony Grossi for standing up to the voters and explaining the reason he should never be inducted.
To my mind there's probably only a couple owners who really belong- George Halas, Curly Lambeau. They get the nod because they coached too. Grudgingly have to accept Rolling Stone Al Davis for the same reason, though it could be said the Crypt Keeper was an even bigger a-hole than Jones. .
Really- anyone got a valid reason why these guys are in? Wellington Mara, Art & Dan Rooney, Pete Rozelle?
PS- after contributing Million$$$ to the HOF site- just watch for the push to get Tom Benson in.
^^^^ This. You're preaching to to choir Gip. I've always said, as in baseball- there should be a section for players and coaches- and then one for "contributors". As you point out- about all Jones has done is contribute a lot of $$$ to the other owners pockets. Don't get me started on how he encouraged Carpetbagger Kroenke to screw over St. Louis and head to supposedly greener pastures in LA. Thankfully, I have to believe Art Modell's ship has sailed on getting in, kudos to Tony Grossi for standing up to the voters and explaining the reason he should never be inducted.
To my mind there's probably only a couple owners who really belong- George Halas, Curly Lambeau. They get the nod because they coached too. Grudgingly have to accept Rolling Stone Al Davis for the same reason, though it could be said the Crypt Keeper was an even bigger a-hole than Jones. .
Really- anyone got a valid reason why these guys are in? Wellington Mara, Art & Dan Rooney, Pete Rozelle?
PS- after contributing Million$$$ to the HOF site- just watch for the push to get Tom Benson in.
Except....Curly Lambeau was never the owner of the Packers...the community was and always has been.
and Rozelle was not an owner.
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^^^^ This. You're preaching to to choir Gip. I've always said, as in baseball- there should be a section for players and coaches- and then one for "contributors". As you point out- about all Jones has done is contribute a lot of $$$ to the other owners pockets. Don't get me started on how he encouraged Carpetbagger Kroenke to screw over St. Louis and head to supposedly greener pastures in LA. Thankfully, I have to believe Art Modell's ship has sailed on getting in, kudos to Tony Grossi for standing up to the voters and explaining the reason he should never be inducted.
To my mind there's probably only a couple owners who really belong- George Halas, Curly Lambeau. They get the nod because they coached too. Grudgingly have to accept Rolling Stone Al Davis for the same reason, though it could be said the Crypt Keeper was an even bigger a-hole than Jones. .
Really- anyone got a valid reason why these guys are in? Wellington Mara, Art & Dan Rooney, Pete Rozelle?
PS- after contributing Million$$$ to the HOF site- just watch for the push to get Tom Benson in.
Except....Curly Lambeau was never the owner of the Packers...the community was and always has been.
and Rozelle was not an owner.
Except....Curly Lambeau was never the owner of the Packers...the community was and always has been.
and Rozelle was not an owner.
OK Mr Trivia Guru- technically- Lambeau was never the "owner" of the Packers- just the "founder\creator", which back then made him the owner- short of a $500 buck loan. You got any proof the team was always "owned" by the city of Green Bay? Seems like that would belong to the Indian Packing Company that fronted him the money, not the city.
Of course I knew Rozelle was never an owner- my point being- just because you're the NFL commish- that entitles you to a bust in Canton? There was a push to get Tagli-a-boo-boo in for the same reason. I'll puke if they try and nominate No-Good-ell.
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Clearly you needed more separation between "owner" and "Rozelle" than one paragraph...
Rozelle was the architect of the NFL "boom"... TV deals... the merger. He did more to put eyes on the game and $$$ in the owners pockets than any other individual. That's why he's in the HoF.
@boo-fagley said:
Saturday had a solid career. Spikes did too.
That's the point. There are a lot of "solid" careers in the 2018 nominees, but the HoF is supposed to be about "great"... or at least that's what I've always thought...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Clearly you needed more separation between "owner" and "Rozelle" than one paragraph...
Rozelle was the architect of the NFL "boom"... TV deals... the merger. He did more to put eyes on the game and $$$ in the owners pockets than any other individual. That's why he's in the HoF.
@boo-fagley said:
Saturday had a solid career. Spikes did too.
That's the point. There are a lot of "solid" careers in the 2018 nominees, but the HoF is supposed to be about "great"... or at least that's what I've always thought...
Clearly you needed more separation between "owner" and "Rozelle" than one paragraph...
Rozelle was the architect of the NFL "boom"... TV deals... the merger. He did more to put eyes on the game and $$$ in the owners pockets than any other individual. That's why he's in the HoF.
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Pretty lousy criteria for getting in then. Same reason for Jerry. Make big $$$ for NFL, get into the HOF. That was the reason for trying to get Modell in too. He negotiated those big TV contracts. The merger would have happened with or without Rozelle just MHO.
In 30 or so years it won't matter. I'm betting soccer will take over as the #1 sport in the US, we'll just catch up with the rest of the world. Those millions of kids playing now say so. That $262 million for Neymar is a pretty good indication of the money in the sport.
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@boo-fagley said:
Like Jerry Jones? Can someone explain why he is great?
Jason Taylor was solid, but great? No Super Bowls and kinda a choker in big games.
Saturday - 6 pro bowls, 1 Super Championship, undrafted. Can you write the story of the Manning era without Saturday? No, he was the Colts most notable O lineman.
Jerrah... as h pointed out, it's $$$ in owners pockets... same as Rozelle. Rightly or wrongly, Jerrah is seen as a major reason that franchise values have skyrocketed.
There is an 8-year stretch in the middle of Taylor's career where his impact was HoF worthy and on par with the best period of another Taylor's HoF career... but overall, no, I don't think of the two Taylors the same way... and has nothing to do with playoff success... or an OLB "choking". Not even sure how you determine that.
Saturday? You are giving him a lot of credit for Peyton's success... seemingly in contradiction to your over-weighting of the QB position.
I liked the player and enjoy his comments on ESPN, but IMO he's borderline HoF worthy. While OGs came and went with regularity during Jeff's time, the OTs were relatively constant and pretty damn good. Tarik Glenn was the LT for more than half Jeff's early career with Ryan Diem holding down the right side. Point being that Jeff was not alone. Both OTs were there for the team's lone SB win in the Manning era.
Class of '18's Steve Hutchinson... now there's a HoF no-brainer...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
^^^^ This. You're preaching to to choir Gip. I've always said, as in baseball- there should be a section for players and coaches- and then one for "contributors". As you point out- about all Jones has done is contribute a lot of $$$ to the other owners pockets. Don't get me started on how he encouraged Carpetbagger Kroenke to screw over St. Louis and head to supposedly greener pastures in LA. Thankfully, I have to believe Art Modell's ship has sailed on getting in, kudos to Tony Grossi for standing up to the voters and explaining the reason he should never be inducted.
To my mind there's probably only a couple owners who really belong- George Halas, Curly Lambeau. They get the nod because they coached too. Grudgingly have to accept Rolling Stone Al Davis for the same reason, though it could be said the Crypt Keeper was an even bigger a-hole than Jones. .
Really- anyone got a valid reason why these guys are in? Wellington Mara, Art & Dan Rooney, Pete Rozelle?
PS- after contributing Million$$$ to the HOF site- just watch for the push to get Tom Benson in.
Except....Curly Lambeau was never the owner of the Packers...the community was and always has been.
and Rozelle was not an owner.
Except....Curly Lambeau was never the owner of the Packers...the community was and always has been.
and Rozelle was not an owner.
I always liked Larry Lambeau better and definitely better than Moe Lambeau.
Actually little Green Bay is unlike any other professional for profit team in the USA in any major sport. Doubt if it will ever be replicated, not viable at all now.
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@boo-fagley said:
Like Jerry Jones? Can someone explain why he is great?
Jason Taylor was solid, but great? No Super Bowls and kinda a choker in big games.
Saturday - 6 pro bowls, 1 Super Championship, undrafted. Can you write the story of the Manning era without Saturday? No, he was the Colts most notable O lineman.
Jerrah... as h pointed out, it's $$$ in owners pockets... same as Rozelle. Rightly or wrongly, Jerrah is seen as a major reason that franchise values have skyrocketed.
There is an 8-year stretch in the middle of Taylor's career where his impact was HoF worthy and on par with the best period of another Taylor's HoF career... but overall, no, I don't think of the two Taylors the same way... and has nothing to do with playoff success... or an OLB "choking". Not even sure how you determine that.
Saturday? You are giving him a lot of credit for Peyton's success... seemingly in contradiction to your over-weighting of the QB position.
I liked the player and enjoy his comments on ESPN, but IMO he's borderline HoF worthy. While OGs came and went with regularity during Jeff's time, the OTs were relatively constant and pretty damn good. Tarik Glenn was the LT for more than half Jeff's early career with Ryan Diem holding down the right side. Point being that Jeff was not alone. Both OTs were there for the team's lone SB win in the Manning era.
Class of '18's Steve Hutchinson... now there's a HoF no-brainer...
Class of '18's Steve Hutchinson... now there's a HoF no-brainer...
With you there Tour.
I always liked Larry Lambeau better and definitely better than Moe Lambeau.
But better than Curly Culp? Him and Buck Buchannon- now there's a pair of D-linemen that would cause a quarterback to shit their pants.
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Hey Hoorta,
What the fuck are you bitching about? You should love Jerry Jones. He has more first round draft pick fat asses on the offensive line than ANY TEAM in the history of the NFL. I am surprised you don't have his picture tatoo'd on your wife's ass. Seriously dude, you and this dumb bastard are cut from the same mold. Neither one of you know what the fuck you are talking about.
Larry, take a fucking chill pill. Jimmy "Pulling His Own" Johnson didn't build shit. Other than poofy hair, this guy has no reason to be in the Hall Of Fame. And dude, God help us if YOU decided who got into the HOF. It would be a group of shit-tards that nobody has ever heard of. As if Joe Thomas is ever going to get accepted?
Here is what I don't get. You hate Jones because you say he has never won anything? Kind of like Joe Thomas, yeah?
Jerry Jones is an NFL icon. He is a money man, a glamour man, a self-important buffoon. Just the kind of guy that a football team needs. Like it or not, he has been one of the staples and attractions of the league for many years.
The only shame is that these pussies are afraid to do the right thing and AFFIRM ART MODELL into the HOF.
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Take a peek at London Fletcher's stats and compare them to Stabbin' Ray.@boo-fagley said:
Ray Lewis as much as I dont like him is a HOFer.
The only difference is popularity...oh and Fletcher wasn't part of a double homicide investigation.
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ICYMI -- @Browns Helping Canton, @ProFootballHOF Bid For 2019, 2020 NFL Draft. . .
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Fletch should've retired a couple of seasons before he did.@boo-fagley said:
I did Dawg. Im definitely not a fan of the Ravens at all and not of Ray personally, but I have to respect his game.
Ray total games 228 - 31 INT- 81 PD - 19 fumbles - 41 sacks - 1502 tackles - 493 assists https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiRa00.htm
Fletch total game 256 - 23 INT - 87 PD - 19 fumbles - 39 sacks - 1380 tackles - 651 assists https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FletLo20.htm
Fletcher played in 28 more games than Ray. Ray did not start all but 1 game of his 228 total games.
If you ask me, Belichick had his eye on Ray next draft before Modell pulled the plug.
Take gander at these stats side by side. . .
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Except....Curly Lambeau was never the owner of the Packers...the community was and always has been.
and Rozelle was not an owner.
OK Mr Trivia Guru- technically- Lambeau was never the "owner" of the Packers- just the "founder\creator", which back then made him the owner- short of a $500 buck loan. You got any proof the team was always "owned" by the city of Green Bay? Seems like that would belong to the Indian Packing Company that fronted him the money, not the city.
Of course I knew Rozelle was never an owner- my point being- just because you're the NFL commish- that entitles you to a bust in Canton? There was a push to get Tagli-a-boo-boo in for the same reason. I'll puke if they try and nominate No-Good-ell.
OK Mr Trivia Guru- technically- Lambeau was never the "owner" of the Packers- just the "founder\creator", which back then made him the owner- short of a $500 buck loan. You got any proof the team was always "owned" by the city of Green Bay? Seems like that would belong to the Indian Packing Company that fronted him the money, not the city.
Of course I knew Rozelle was never an owner- my point being- just because you're the NFL commish- that entitles you to a bust in Canton? There was a push to get Tagli-a-boo-boo in for the same reason. I'll puke if they try and nominate No-Good-ell.
Proof that the Packers were always owned by the community? I suspect it is there in something as simply as wikipedia.
I mean, calling Lambeau the owner of the Packers would be like calling Paul Brown the owner of the Browns......He was the founder/creator of them.....but was never the owner. (He did own the Bengals however).
As for Commissioners being in the HOF.....I would have to check, but I suspect that nearly all former commissioners get in. Bert Bell...etc. Bud Selig was just inducted into the Baseball HOF. Tags WILL get in someday.....and you never know...Goodell may too. LOTS of people think he has been right on in his tough stance on things. I may be one of them.
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Clearly you needed more separation between "owner" and "Rozelle" than one paragraph...
Rozelle was the architect of the NFL "boom"... TV deals... the merger. He did more to put eyes on the game and $$$ in the owners pockets than any other individual. That's why he's in the HoF.
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Pretty lousy criteria for getting in then. Same reason for Jerry. Make big $$$ for NFL, get into the HOF. That was the reason for trying to get Modell in too. He negotiated those big TV contracts. The merger would have happened with or without Rozelle just MHO.
In 30 or so years it won't matter. I'm betting soccer will take over as the #1 sport in the US, we'll just catch up with the rest of the world. Those millions of kids playing now say so. That $262 million for Neymar is a pretty good indication of the money in the sport.
Pretty lousy criteria for getting in then. Same reason for Jerry. Make big $$$ for NFL, get into the HOF. That was the reason for trying to get Modell in too. He negotiated those big TV contracts. The merger would have happened with or without Rozelle just MHO.
In 30 or so years it won't matter. I'm betting soccer will take over as the #1 sport in the US, we'll just catch up with the rest of the world. Those millions of kids playing now say so. That $262 million for Neymar is a pretty good indication of the money in the sport.
We better both hope to be dead by then....fair to say?
Though......listen to this, you will have heard it here first: Akron will get an MLS team......owner: LeBron James. (He is already part owner of the Liverpool team in the Premier League)
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@boo-fagley said:
Like Jerry Jones? Can someone explain why he is great?
Jason Taylor was solid, but great? No Super Bowls and kinda a choker in big games.
Saturday - 6 pro bowls, 1 Super Championship, undrafted. Can you write the story of the Manning era without Saturday? No, he was the Colts most notable O lineman.
Jerrah... as h pointed out, it's $$$ in owners pockets... same as Rozelle. Rightly or wrongly, Jerrah is seen as a major reason that franchise values have skyrocketed.
There is an 8-year stretch in the middle of Taylor's career where his impact was HoF worthy and on par with the best period of another Taylor's HoF career... but overall, no, I don't think of the two Taylors the same way... and has nothing to do with playoff success... or an OLB "choking". Not even sure how you determine that.
Saturday? You are giving him a lot of credit for Peyton's success... seemingly in contradiction to your over-weighting of the QB position.
I liked the player and enjoy his comments on ESPN, but IMO he's borderline HoF worthy. While OGs came and went with regularity during Jeff's time, the OTs were relatively constant and pretty damn good. Tarik Glenn was the LT for more than half Jeff's early career with Ryan Diem holding down the right side. Point being that Jeff was not alone. Both OTs were there for the team's lone SB win in the Manning era.
Class of '18's Steve Hutchinson... now there's a HoF no-brainer...
Jerrah... as h pointed out, it's $$$ in owners pockets... same as Rozelle. Rightly or wrongly, Jerrah is seen as a major reason that franchise values have skyrocketed.
There is an 8-year stretch in the middle of Taylor's career where his impact was HoF worthy and on par with the best period of another Taylor's HoF career... but overall, no, I don't think of the two Taylors the same way... and has nothing to do with playoff success... or an OLB "choking". Not even sure how you determine that.
Saturday? You are giving him a lot of credit for Peyton's success... seemingly in contradiction to your over-weighting of the QB position.
I liked the player and enjoy his comments on ESPN, but IMO he's borderline HoF worthy. While OGs came and went with regularity during Jeff's time, the OTs were relatively constant and pretty damn good. Tarik Glenn was the LT for more than half Jeff's early career with Ryan Diem holding down the right side. Point being that Jeff was not alone. Both OTs were there for the team's lone SB win in the Manning era.
Class of '18's Steve Hutchinson... now there's a HoF no-brainer...
Dick Butkus.....HOF LB....in fact, considered perhaps one of the 10 greatest players ever.....and I believe that he never played in a postseason game. So, there you go with the whole playoff success being mandatory for HOF consideration.
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Except....Curly Lambeau was never the owner of the Packers...the community was and always has been.
and Rozelle was not an owner.
I always liked Larry Lambeau better and definitely better than Moe Lambeau.
Actually little Green Bay is unlike any other professional for profit team in the USA in any major sport. Doubt if it will ever be replicated, not viable at all now.
I always liked Larry Lambeau better and definitely better than Moe Lambeau.
Actually little Green Bay is unlike any other professional for profit team in the USA in any major sport. Doubt if it will ever be replicated, not viable at all now.
Actually, I believe it certainly could be viable....but the leagues want no part of that sort of community ownership. They basically want greed motivated individuals to own teams (because it is all greed motivated individuals that own the other teams...and they only want their ilk in their club...but that does not mean it could not work.
FYI, in all his years here, Art Modell was only ever a 52% owner. Don't you think the Browns could have done just as well if no one owned 50% or more?
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