A Complicated Defence
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The best defence is a good defense
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How do the Patriots do it year after year? Something tells me they bend but don't break. They have Balance on both sides of the ball. What good is a monster defense like the Broncos had last year if you lack an offence(offense)?
I can't remember the Patriots Defensive Coordinator's name but I have noticed he's turned down many head coaching jobs to collect Super Bowl Rings.
What the Browns need is continuity, they need to stop firing everyone after one or two years. We are in a rebuild and must stay the course with Hue, Williams, etc.
In the meantime it would be be extra Nice if Haslam developed a sudden urge to buy a yacht and sail around the world a few times! At least until after the 2018 season.
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How do the Patriots do it year after year? Something tells me they bend but don't break. They have Balance on both sides of the ball. What good is a monster defense like the Broncos had last year if you lack an offence(offense)?
I can't remember the Patriots Defensive Coordinator's name but I have noticed he's turned down many head coaching jobs to collect Super Bowl Rings.
What the Browns need is continuity, they need to stop firing everyone after one or two years. We are in a rebuild and must stay the course with Hue, Williams, etc.
In the meantime it would be be extra Nice if Haslam developed a sudden urge to buy a yacht and sail around the world a few times! At least until after the 2018 season.
How do the Patriots do it year after year? Something tells me they bend but don't break. They have Balance on both sides of the ball. What good is a monster defense like the Broncos had last year if you lack an offence(offense)?
I can't remember the Patriots Defensive Coordinator's name but I have noticed he's turned down many head coaching jobs to collect Super Bowl Rings.
Patricia... Matt Patricia... DC for the past few seasons, but he's been on the Pat's staff much longer than that.
If you look at the Belichick era, and especially the last decade, there is consistency on the D side, but less of it than has been displayed by the O side. So the pressure to score that the Pat's O puts on their opponents' has been a big factor.
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Plus, of course, there's Belichick... Parcel's disciple and his longtime, personal DC before Art gave him his first HC shot...
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How do the Patriots do it year after year? Something tells me they bend but don't break. They have Balance on both sides of the ball. What good is a monster defense like the Broncos had last year if you lack an offence(offense)?
I can't remember the Patriots Defensive Coordinator's name but I have noticed he's turned down many head coaching jobs to collect Super Bowl Rings.
What the Browns need is continuity, they need to stop firing everyone after one or two years. We are in a rebuild and must stay the course with Hue, Williams, etc.
In the meantime it would be be extra Nice if Haslam developed a sudden urge to buy a yacht and sail around the world a few times! At least until after the 2018 season.
How do the Patriots do it year after year? Something tells me they bend but don't break. They have Balance on both sides of the ball. What good is a monster defense like the Broncos had last year if you lack an offence(offense)?
I can't remember the Patriots Defensive Coordinator's name but I have noticed he's turned down many head coaching jobs to collect Super Bowl Rings.
What the Browns need is continuity, they need to stop firing everyone after one or two years. We are in a rebuild and must stay the course with Hue, Williams, etc.
In the meantime it would be be extra Nice if Haslam developed a sudden urge to buy a yacht and sail around the world a few times! At least until after the 2018 season.
Belichick is a good defensive coordinator...and would have his team's in contention. But if he did not have Tom Brady he would likely have -0- Super Bowl titles. Or 1. As much as there is an argument over things...I say that the old adage of "Defense wins championships" is only halfway right. Defense can put you in position to be a contender, and mistakes on defense can lose you a championship (see Atlanta Falcons).....but 80-90% of the time you still need that franchise QB. Yes, about 1 in8- 10 years a title can be won on the strength of a defense. (2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs, 2005 Steelers, 1985 Bears), but you still need thatreal MAN who puts his hands up someone's butt.
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How do the Patriots do it year after year? Something tells me they bend but don't break. They have Balance on both sides of the ball. What good is a monster defense like the Broncos had last year if you lack an offence(offense)?
I can't remember the Patriots Defensive Coordinator's name but I have noticed he's turned down many head coaching jobs to collect Super Bowl Rings.
What the Browns need is continuity, they need to stop firing everyone after one or two years. We are in a rebuild and must stay the course with Hue, Williams, etc.
In the meantime it would be be extra Nice if Haslam developed a sudden urge to buy a yacht and sail around the world a few times! At least until after the 2018 season.
Belichick is a good defensive coordinator...and would have his team's in contention. But if he did not have Tom Brady he would likely have -0- Super Bowl titles. Or 1. As much as there is an argument over things...I say that the old adage of "Defense wins championships" is only halfway right. Defense can put you in position to be a contender, and mistakes on defense can lose you a championship (see Atlanta Falcons).....but 80-90% of the time you still need that franchise QB. Yes, about 1 in8- 10 years a title can be won on the strength of a defense. (2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs, 2005 Steelers, 1985 Bears), but you still need thatreal MAN who puts his hands up someone's butt.
Belichick is a good defensive coordinator...and would have his team's in contention. But if he did not have Tom Brady he would likely have -0- Super Bowl titles.
It always makes me chuckle to hear how great coaches couldnt have done it w/o their great players.....go figure.....
Where would Walsh be w/o Montana?....or Noll w/o his 15 HOFers?......or Landry w/o Staubach?......or Johnson w/o all his HOFers?.....or Parcells w/o Taylor and Simms?.....or Levy w/o Kelly?.....
Thats how it rolls....great coaches win with great players.....and usually lose w/o em......
Bad coaches dont win with great players.....and always lose w/o em....
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Belichick is a good defensive coordinator...and would have his team's in contention. But if he did not have Tom Brady he would likely have -0- Super Bowl titles.
It always makes me chuckle to hear how great coaches couldnt have done it w/o their great players.....go figure.....
Where would Walsh be w/o Montana?....or Noll w/o his 15 HOFers?......or Landry w/o Staubach?......or Johnson w/o all his HOFers?.....or Parcells w/o Taylor and Simms?.....or Levy w/o Kelly?.....
Thats how it rolls....great coaches win with great players.....and usually lose w/o em......
Bad coaches dont win with great players.....and always lose w/o em....
It always makes me chuckle to hear how great coaches couldnt have done it w/o their great players.....go figure.....
Where would Walsh be w/o Montana?....or Noll w/o his 15 HOFers?......or Landry w/o Staubach?......or Johnson w/o all his HOFers?.....or Parcells w/o Taylor and Simms?.....or Levy w/o Kelly?.....
Thats how it rolls....great coaches win with great players.....and usually lose w/o em......
Bad coaches dont win with great players.....and always lose w/o em....
Agreed Mudsies! Well said. Just to piggy back here - and some GREAT coaches even start off like the following:
Tom Landry 0-11-1, in 1960
Chuck Noll 1-13, in 1969
Bill Walsh 2-14, in 1979
Bill Parcells 3-12-1, in 1983 (Lawrence Taylor was already there drafted in 1981 or it might have been much worse)
Jimmy Johnson 1-15, in 1989
Bill Belichick 6-10, in 1991
This doesn't pertain to you but how many of our fans wanted the exact same kind of new beginning chaos from the HC fired as early as 2 games into the last preseason.
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It always makes me chuckle to hear how great coaches couldnt have done it w/o their great players.....go figure.....
Where would Walsh be w/o Montana?....or Noll w/o his 15 HOFers?......or Landry w/o Staubach?......or Johnson w/o all his HOFers?.....or Parcells w/o Taylor and Simms?.....or Levy w/o Kelly?.....
Thats how it rolls....great coaches win with great players.....and usually lose w/o em......
Bad coaches dont win with great players.....and always lose w/o em....
Agreed Mudsies! Well said. Just to piggy back here - and some GREAT coaches even start off like the following:
Tom Landry 0-11-1, in 1960
Chuck Noll 1-13, in 1969
Bill Walsh 2-14, in 1979
Bill Parcells 3-12-1, in 1983 (Lawrence Taylor was already there drafted in 1981 or it might have been much worse)
Jimmy Johnson 1-15, in 1989
Bill Belichick 6-10, in 1991
This doesn't pertain to you but how many of our fans wanted the exact same kind of new beginning chaos from the HC fired as early as 2 games into the last preseason.
Agreed Mudsies! Well said. Just to piggy back here - and some GREAT coaches even start off like the following:
Tom Landry 0-11-1, in 1960
Chuck Noll 1-13, in 1969
Bill Walsh 2-14, in 1979
Bill Parcells 3-12-1, in 1983 (Lawrence Taylor was already there drafted in 1981 or it might have been much worse)
Jimmy Johnson 1-15, in 1989
Bill Belichick 6-10, in 1991
This doesn't pertain to you but how many of our fans wanted the exact same kind of new beginning chaos from the HC fired as early as 2 games into the last preseason.
Well.....while I am not an advocate for firing Hue....and wasnt last year either.....in fact, the last coach I actually wanted to see fired was Shurmur......
I think those that want to see Hue gone almost immediately are not using wins and losses as their basis.....but a sense that he just isnt a great coach.....Im in that group(not the fire him group.....but the he isnt a great coach group)
There is some hypocrisy to how things go with this....using Pettine as an example.....he was fired for winning only 3 games and not given any leeway for how terrible his roster was...or the massive injuries and/or ridiculous pressure foisted on him from our FO/JFF/Gordon etc......
Yet, Hue gets full freedom because he inherited a crap team....had injuries.....etc etc....
Heck....Pettine inherited crap and went out and won 7 out of his first 11 games.....with shitty players....no QB's,,,,,a thrown together coaching staff....everyone learning a new system.....QB controversies out the ying yang.....etc etc etc...
Hue had the same circumstances and won 1 game(out of 20).....
So....NOT pleading on about Pettine or slamming Hue....but only using them to show the convoluted hypocrisy and differences in how people have treated these staffs....both of which had extremely difficult circumstances to overcome....
Imagine if Hue won 7 games last year??....folks would be calling him HOF material.....then a year later, may want his head on a platter....
It's happened......
Recently even
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Agreed Mudsies! Well said. Just to piggy back here - and some GREAT coaches even start off like the following:
Tom Landry 0-11-1, in 1960
Chuck Noll 1-13, in 1969
Bill Walsh 2-14, in 1979
Bill Parcells 3-12-1, in 1983 (Lawrence Taylor was already there drafted in 1981 or it might have been much worse)
Jimmy Johnson 1-15, in 1989
Bill Belichick 6-10, in 1991
This doesn't pertain to you but how many of our fans wanted the exact same kind of new beginning chaos from the HC fired as early as 2 games into the last preseason.
Well.....while I am not an advocate for firing Hue....and wasnt last year either.....in fact, the last coach I actually wanted to see fired was Shurmur......
I think those that want to see Hue gone almost immediately are not using wins and losses as their basis.....but a sense that he just isnt a great coach.....Im in that group(not the fire him group.....but the he isnt a great coach group)
There is some hypocrisy to how things go with this....using Pettine as an example.....he was fired for winning only 3 games and not given any leeway for how terrible his roster was...or the massive injuries and/or ridiculous pressure foisted on him from our FO/JFF/Gordon etc......
Yet, Hue gets full freedom because he inherited a crap team....had injuries.....etc etc....
Heck....Pettine inherited crap and went out and won 7 out of his first 11 games.....with shitty players....no QB's,,,,,a thrown together coaching staff....everyone learning a new system.....QB controversies out the ying yang.....etc etc etc...
Hue had the same circumstances and won 1 game(out of 20).....
So....NOT pleading on about Pettine or slamming Hue....but only using them to show the convoluted hypocrisy and differences in how people have treated these staffs....both of which had extremely difficult circumstances to overcome....
Imagine if Hue won 7 games last year??....folks would be calling him HOF material.....then a year later, may want his head on a platter....
It's happened......
Recently even
Well.....while I am not an advocate for firing Hue....and wasnt last year either.....in fact, the last coach I actually wanted to see fired was Shurmur......
I think those that want to see Hue gone almost immediately are not using wins and losses as their basis.....but a sense that he just isnt a great coach.....Im in that group(not the fire him group.....but the he isnt a great coach group)
There is some hypocrisy to how things go with this....using Pettine as an example.....he was fired for winning only 3 games and not given any leeway for how terrible his roster was...or the massive injuries and/or ridiculous pressure foisted on him from our FO/JFF/Gordon etc......
Yet, Hue gets full freedom because he inherited a crap team....had injuries.....etc etc....
After going 10-6 in 2007 we regressed to 5-11 in 2008 causing the HC and FO to get fired. Pettine was fired for a similar regression as going from 7-4 to a 3-18 about-face pretty much slam dunked. When this happens there's a loss of support/buy-in from a significant # of veterans and team leaders meaning that staff lost much of the team regardless of how much you still want to fight people about it.
My speculation is an enormous part of that was from the inexperience of his hand selected Coordinators in 2015: Jim O'Neil and Flip. Another part of it all was reflected in Dansby's comment that they could see some spillover of the tension between Pet and Farmer onto the field visibly draining the HC (which you already kind of alluded to).
If Hue starts off 0-3 or 0-4, I can assure you he'll experience even less patience than people had for Pettine coming off 7-9 especially since Hue only went 1-15 in his first year. That won't reflect hypocrisy as much as the more things change - the more they stay the same. Again, people were already calling for Hue's head as early as his 2nd preseason game in season 1.
As for your opinion of Hue it differs from a lot of guys that played in Cincy such as Andrew Whitworth who was a 2nd Team All Pro in 2014 and 1st Team All Pro in 2015 (when they went 12-4) as well as a Captain. In 2016, Cincy went 6-9-1 looking like they really missed him. I don't mind trusting the feedback of someone that actually experienced his coaching and played his best football under it. Here's the link. https://www.cincyjungle.com/2016/1/13/10762862/bengals-react-to-hue-jackson-being-named-next-cleveland-browns-head
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The length of Hue's leash, and the factors that determine its length, is an interesting discussion. Here's my take...
Hue got freedom (a/k/a was cut an extra helping of "slack") due to a complete tear-down/rebuild approach we'd never taken before. I suspect that for that reason alone he was given a total pass on 2016. Add that the team never quit on him and won late to avoid the "0-fer" and I think him coming out with a slight positive is not out of the question.
So 2017 is year one. That makes Chud the only potentially applicable comparison. Personally I don't see a lot of Chud in Hue.
The most likely 2017 scenario is our records improves a little. Hard for it to get worse. Hard for me to see anything approaching .500. Four or five wins seem most likely. Vegas seems to agree given the 4.5 O/U for wins.
So we go into 2018 with no regression and no overachievement, a circumstance which befell both Butch and Pet. That leaves lack of continued progress in 2018 as Hue's stumbling block.
We shall see...
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The length of Hue's leash, and the factors that determine its length, is an interesting discussion. Here's my take...
Hue got freedom (a/k/a was cut an extra helping of "slack") due to a complete tear-down/rebuild approach we'd never taken before. I suspect that for that reason alone he was given a total pass on 2016. Add that the team never quit on him and won late to avoid the "0-fer" and I think him coming out with a slight positive is not out of the question.
So 2017 is year one. That makes Chud the only potentially applicable comparison. Personally I don't see a lot of Chud in Hue.
The most likely 2017 scenario is our records improves a little. Hard for it to get worse. Hard for me to see anything approaching .500. Four or five wins seem most likely. Vegas seems to agree given the 4.5 O/U for wins.
So we go into 2018 with no regression and no overachievement, a circumstance which befell both Butch and Pet. That leaves lack of continued progress in 2018 as Hue's stumbling block.
We shall see...
The length of Hue's leash, and the factors that determine its length, is an interesting discussion. Here's my take...
Hue got freedom (a/k/a was cut an extra helping of "slack") due to a complete tear-down/rebuild approach we'd never taken before. I suspect that for that reason alone he was given a total pass on 2016. Add that the team never quit on him and won late to avoid the "0-fer" and I think him coming out with a slight positive is not out of the question.
So 2017 is year one. That makes Chud the only potentially applicable comparison. Personally I don't see a lot of Chud in Hue.
The most likely 2017 scenario is our records improves a little. Hard for it to get worse. Hard for me to see anything approaching .500. Four or five wins seem most likely. Vegas seems to agree given the 4.5 O/U for wins.
So we go into 2018 with no regression and no overachievement, a circumstance which befell both Butch and Pet. That leaves lack of continued progress in 2018 as Hue's stumbling block.
We shall see...
Well said! Tear-downs/start-overs with big draft volumes look to inexperience which breeds growing pains whether it's a Jimmy Johnson, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh (all of whom I posted rookie coaching records for in this thread) or just Hue Jackson at Head Coach. I'm looking for progress in year 2, which I think we'll see.
In terms of how much progress we will see, I'm just as wait and see on our QB situation as everyone else so you'll notice I'm never one that predicts how many games we will win. Of course, this can only mean 2 years from now my buddy Ghoolie will be announcing I guaranteed we'd be undefeated in 2017.
I measure Head Coaches like I measure QBs especially in terms of a guy can be a rookie of the year like Vince Young or RG3 or shock the world with 7-4 in Cleveland as a HC. However, today's NFL has much shorter windows so VY and RG3 are most remembered for what came after the rookie seasons. Regression. Nobody wanted to see Pettine fired when he was 7-4 or even 7-9. But he went 3-18 in his last 21 games, which our defense showed the tackling fundamentals of a youth football team when/if they were even in position to make the tackle - legit concerns were brought up. Both Coordinators were rookies and Pettine was only a soph so players and fans worried about the drastic regression snowballing. Today, if you lose the team - you're done. I don't want that to happen to Hue too but it can. It can go either way; but I have a good feeling about the players and coaches we have on board today.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
The length of Hue's leash, and the factors that determine its length, is an interesting discussion. Here's my take...
Hue got freedom (a/k/a was cut an extra helping of "slack") due to a complete tear-down/rebuild approach we'd never taken before. I suspect that for that reason alone he was given a total pass on 2016. Add that the team never quit on him and won late to avoid the "0-fer" and I think him coming out with a slight positive is not out of the question.
So 2017 is year one. That makes Chud the only potentially applicable comparison. Personally I don't see a lot of Chud in Hue.
The most likely 2017 scenario is our records improves a little. Hard for it to get worse. Hard for me to see anything approaching .500. Four or five wins seem most likely. Vegas seems to agree given the 4.5 O/U for wins.
So we go into 2018 with no regression and no overachievement, a circumstance which befell both Butch and Pet. That leaves lack of continued progress in 2018 as Hue's stumbling block.
We shall see...
Well said! Tear-downs/start-overs with big draft volumes look to inexperience which breeds growing pains whether it's a Jimmy Johnson, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh (all of whom I posted rookie coaching records for in this thread) or just Hue Jackson at Head Coach. I'm looking for progress in year 2, which I think we'll see.
In terms of how much progress we will see, I'm just as wait and see on our QB situation as everyone else so you'll notice I'm never one that predicts how many games we will win. Of course, this can only mean 2 years from now my buddy Ghoolie will be announcing I guaranteed we'd be undefeated in 2017.
I measure Head Coaches like I measure QBs especially in terms of a guy can be a rookie of the year like Vince Young or RG3 or shock the world with 7-4 in Cleveland as a HC. However, today's NFL has much shorter windows so VY and RG3 are most remembered for what came after the rookie seasons. Regression. Nobody wanted to see Pettine fired when he was 7-4 or even 7-9. But he went 3-18 in his last 21 games, which our defense showed the tackling fundamentals of a youth football team when/if they were even in position to make the tackle - legit concerns were brought up. Both Coordinators were rookies and Pettine was only a soph so players and fans worried about the drastic regression snowballing. Today, if you lose the team - you're done. I don't want that to happen to Hue too but it can. It can go either way; but I have a good feeling about the players and coaches we have on board today.
Well said! Tear-downs/start-overs with big draft volumes look to inexperience which breeds growing pains whether it's a Jimmy Johnson, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh (all of whom I posted rookie coaching records for in this thread) or just Hue Jackson at Head Coach. I'm looking for progress in year 2, which I think we'll see.
In terms of how much progress we will see, I'm just as wait and see on our QB situation as everyone else so you'll notice I'm never one that predicts how many games we will win. Of course, this can only mean 2 years from now my buddy Ghoolie will be announcing I guaranteed we'd be undefeated in 2017.
I measure Head Coaches like I measure QBs especially in terms of a guy can be a rookie of the year like Vince Young or RG3 or shock the world with 7-4 in Cleveland as a HC. However, today's NFL has much shorter windows so VY and RG3 are most remembered for what came after the rookie seasons. Regression. Nobody wanted to see Pettine fired when he was 7-4 or even 7-9. But he went 3-18 in his last 21 games, which our defense showed the tackling fundamentals of a youth football team when/if they were even in position to make the tackle - legit concerns were brought up. Both Coordinators were rookies and Pettine was only a soph so players and fans worried about the drastic regression snowballing. Today, if you lose the team - you're done. I don't want that to happen to Hue too but it can. It can go either way; but I have a good feeling about the players and coaches we have on board today.
I am less concerned now that we have legitimate defensive and offensive talent in the trenches where football is won. And for sure a legitimate defensive coordinator where playoff teams are made. The future looks bright even if there are growing pains while they shape into that kind of team. I believe in defense first and foremost and that looks like the kind of team we are going after first. This is gonna have some real fun moments coming up this season where the home crowd is stomping in the stands to the beat of the whoofs!!
So who is going to set the odds on who gets the first strip sack/fumble recovery on this team? Ogbah? Peppers? Collins? Garrett?
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The length of Hue's leash, and the factors that determine its length, is an interesting discussion. Here's my take...
Hue got freedom (a/k/a was cut an extra helping of "slack") due to a complete tear-down/rebuild approach we'd never taken before. I suspect that for that reason alone he was given a total pass on 2016. Add that the team never quit on him and won late to avoid the "0-fer" and I think him coming out with a slight positive is not out of the question.
So 2017 is year one. That makes Chud the only potentially applicable comparison. Personally I don't see a lot of Chud in Hue.
The most likely 2017 scenario is our records improves a little. Hard for it to get worse. Hard for me to see anything approaching .500. Four or five wins seem most likely. Vegas seems to agree given the 4.5 O/U for wins.
So we go into 2018 with no regression and no overachievement, a circumstance which befell both Butch and Pet. That leaves lack of continued progress in 2018 as Hue's stumbling block.
We shall see...
Well said! Tear-downs/start-overs with big draft volumes look to inexperience which breeds growing pains whether it's a Jimmy Johnson, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh (all of whom I posted rookie coaching records for in this thread) or just Hue Jackson at Head Coach. I'm looking for progress in year 2, which I think we'll see.
In terms of how much progress we will see, I'm just as wait and see on our QB situation as everyone else so you'll notice I'm never one that predicts how many games we will win. Of course, this can only mean 2 years from now my buddy Ghoolie will be announcing I guaranteed we'd be undefeated in 2017.
I measure Head Coaches like I measure QBs especially in terms of a guy can be a rookie of the year like Vince Young or RG3 or shock the world with 7-4 in Cleveland as a HC. However, today's NFL has much shorter windows so VY and RG3 are most remembered for what came after the rookie seasons. Regression. Nobody wanted to see Pettine fired when he was 7-4 or even 7-9. But he went 3-18 in his last 21 games, which our defense showed the tackling fundamentals of a youth football team when/if they were even in position to make the tackle - legit concerns were brought up. Both Coordinators were rookies and Pettine was only a soph so players and fans worried about the drastic regression snowballing. Today, if you lose the team - you're done. I don't want that to happen to Hue too but it can. It can go either way; but I have a good feeling about the players and coaches we have on board today.
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Gotta like the blindside rusher on that count... and that figures to be Myles.
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
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Gotta like the blindside rusher on that count... and that figures to be Myles.
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
I'm sure that was true in the SEC. In the NFL, teams hate keeping a TE in to help out their LT because it gives the coverage the relief of 1 less eligible receiver to defend. That's why a stand alone Joe Thomas has made 10 consecutive Pro Bowls. It could also be why 3 different TEs in his career posted up receiving numbers for a Pro Bowl:
2007 Winslow 82 rec 1106 yds 5 TD
2013 Cameron 80 rec 917 yds 7 TD
2015 Barnidge 79 rec 1043 yds 9 TD
The hope is we drafted a TE that can also do this while we still have a LT playing at an elite level.
Back to Garrett, I can see Pittsburgh using a lot of screen passes on us in his very first NFL learning experience. Not that we've ever had a pass rush to fear per say; but they burned us bad with some screen passes about 4-5 years ago. It kept our defensive front off balance all day. Gee, there's a surprise...
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Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
I'm sure that was true in the SEC. In the NFL, teams hate keeping a TE in to help out their LT because it gives the coverage the relief of 1 less eligible receiver to defend. That's why a stand alone Joe Thomas has made 10 consecutive Pro Bowls. It could also be why 3 different TEs in his career posted up receiving numbers for a Pro Bowl:
2007 Winslow 82 rec 1106 yds 5 TD
2013 Cameron 80 rec 917 yds 7 TD
2015 Barnidge 79 rec 1043 yds 9 TD
The hope is we drafted a TE that can also do this while we still have a LT playing at an elite level.
Back to Garrett, I can see Pittsburgh using a lot of screen passes on us in his very first NFL learning experience. Not that we've ever had a pass rush to fear per say; but they burned us bad with some screen passes about 4-5 years ago. It kept our defensive front off balance all day. Gee, there's a surprise...
I'm sure that was true in the SEC. In the NFL, teams hate keeping a TE in to help out their LT because it gives the coverage the relief of 1 less eligible receiver to defend. That's why a stand alone Joe Thomas has made 10 consecutive Pro Bowls. It could also be why 3 different TEs in his career posted up receiving numbers for a Pro Bowl:
2007 Winslow 82 rec 1106 yds 5 TD
2013 Cameron 80 rec 917 yds 7 TD
2015 Barnidge 79 rec 1043 yds 9 TD
The hope is we drafted a TE that can also do this while we still have a LT playing at an elite level.
Back to Garrett, I can see Pittsburgh using a lot of screen passes on us in his very first NFL learning experience. Not that we've ever had a pass rush to fear per say; but they burned us bad with some screen passes about 4-5 years ago. It kept our defensive front off balance all day. Gee, there's a surprise...
I am hoping....expecting that our pass rush will be vastly improved. Garrett...supposed to be the second coming of Lawrence Taylor; Ogbah...a year experience, a year of improvement. Nassib, Collins at OLB, Hard push up the middle with Shelton and a cast of characters (Ogunjobi/Brantley/Bryant/Meder). And the aggressive approach of Gregg Williams.
Ben R. on his butt is a beautiful sight.
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Gotta like the blindside rusher on that count... and that figures to be Myles.
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
Taylor? Odd comparison...
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
Point taken... also TE as Flugs pointed out or RB chipping. Still, can't do it every time and it's not a part of PAP designs, so I'll stay with MG as my primary...
... but I'll add Collins on an inside stunt when Myles drags the LG wide...
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Taylor? Odd comparison...
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
Point taken... also TE as Flugs pointed out or RB chipping. Still, can't do it every time and it's not a part of PAP designs, so I'll stay with MG as my primary...
... but I'll add Collins on an inside stunt when Myles drags the LG wide...
Taylor? Odd comparison...
Why? They basically play the same position. Edge Rusher....be it a DE in a 4-3 which is what Garrett will play, or a OLB in a 3-4, which is what Taylor played.
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Apparently they tried a RB chipping yesterday in practice and he flat ran over RB Terrence Mcgee.
Myles Garrett just bulldozed RB Terrence Magee during 11-on-11. Audible gasps followed by applause from the crowd. #3Browns
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