A Complicated Defence
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The length of Hue's leash, and the factors that determine its length, is an interesting discussion. Here's my take...
Hue got freedom (a/k/a was cut an extra helping of "slack") due to a complete tear-down/rebuild approach we'd never taken before. I suspect that for that reason alone he was given a total pass on 2016. Add that the team never quit on him and won late to avoid the "0-fer" and I think him coming out with a slight positive is not out of the question.
So 2017 is year one. That makes Chud the only potentially applicable comparison. Personally I don't see a lot of Chud in Hue.
The most likely 2017 scenario is our records improves a little. Hard for it to get worse. Hard for me to see anything approaching .500. Four or five wins seem most likely. Vegas seems to agree given the 4.5 O/U for wins.
So we go into 2018 with no regression and no overachievement, a circumstance which befell both Butch and Pet. That leaves lack of continued progress in 2018 as Hue's stumbling block.
We shall see...
Well said! Tear-downs/start-overs with big draft volumes look to inexperience which breeds growing pains whether it's a Jimmy Johnson, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh (all of whom I posted rookie coaching records for in this thread) or just Hue Jackson at Head Coach. I'm looking for progress in year 2, which I think we'll see.
In terms of how much progress we will see, I'm just as wait and see on our QB situation as everyone else so you'll notice I'm never one that predicts how many games we will win. Of course, this can only mean 2 years from now my buddy Ghoolie will be announcing I guaranteed we'd be undefeated in 2017.
I measure Head Coaches like I measure QBs especially in terms of a guy can be a rookie of the year like Vince Young or RG3 or shock the world with 7-4 in Cleveland as a HC. However, today's NFL has much shorter windows so VY and RG3 are most remembered for what came after the rookie seasons. Regression. Nobody wanted to see Pettine fired when he was 7-4 or even 7-9. But he went 3-18 in his last 21 games, which our defense showed the tackling fundamentals of a youth football team when/if they were even in position to make the tackle - legit concerns were brought up. Both Coordinators were rookies and Pettine was only a soph so players and fans worried about the drastic regression snowballing. Today, if you lose the team - you're done. I don't want that to happen to Hue too but it can. It can go either way; but I have a good feeling about the players and coaches we have on board today.
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Gotta like the blindside rusher on that count... and that figures to be Myles.
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
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Gotta like the blindside rusher on that count... and that figures to be Myles.
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
I'm sure that was true in the SEC. In the NFL, teams hate keeping a TE in to help out their LT because it gives the coverage the relief of 1 less eligible receiver to defend. That's why a stand alone Joe Thomas has made 10 consecutive Pro Bowls. It could also be why 3 different TEs in his career posted up receiving numbers for a Pro Bowl:
2007 Winslow 82 rec 1106 yds 5 TD
2013 Cameron 80 rec 917 yds 7 TD
2015 Barnidge 79 rec 1043 yds 9 TD
The hope is we drafted a TE that can also do this while we still have a LT playing at an elite level.
Back to Garrett, I can see Pittsburgh using a lot of screen passes on us in his very first NFL learning experience. Not that we've ever had a pass rush to fear per say; but they burned us bad with some screen passes about 4-5 years ago. It kept our defensive front off balance all day. Gee, there's a surprise...
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Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
I'm sure that was true in the SEC. In the NFL, teams hate keeping a TE in to help out their LT because it gives the coverage the relief of 1 less eligible receiver to defend. That's why a stand alone Joe Thomas has made 10 consecutive Pro Bowls. It could also be why 3 different TEs in his career posted up receiving numbers for a Pro Bowl:
2007 Winslow 82 rec 1106 yds 5 TD
2013 Cameron 80 rec 917 yds 7 TD
2015 Barnidge 79 rec 1043 yds 9 TD
The hope is we drafted a TE that can also do this while we still have a LT playing at an elite level.
Back to Garrett, I can see Pittsburgh using a lot of screen passes on us in his very first NFL learning experience. Not that we've ever had a pass rush to fear per say; but they burned us bad with some screen passes about 4-5 years ago. It kept our defensive front off balance all day. Gee, there's a surprise...
I'm sure that was true in the SEC. In the NFL, teams hate keeping a TE in to help out their LT because it gives the coverage the relief of 1 less eligible receiver to defend. That's why a stand alone Joe Thomas has made 10 consecutive Pro Bowls. It could also be why 3 different TEs in his career posted up receiving numbers for a Pro Bowl:
2007 Winslow 82 rec 1106 yds 5 TD
2013 Cameron 80 rec 917 yds 7 TD
2015 Barnidge 79 rec 1043 yds 9 TD
The hope is we drafted a TE that can also do this while we still have a LT playing at an elite level.
Back to Garrett, I can see Pittsburgh using a lot of screen passes on us in his very first NFL learning experience. Not that we've ever had a pass rush to fear per say; but they burned us bad with some screen passes about 4-5 years ago. It kept our defensive front off balance all day. Gee, there's a surprise...
I am hoping....expecting that our pass rush will be vastly improved. Garrett...supposed to be the second coming of Lawrence Taylor; Ogbah...a year experience, a year of improvement. Nassib, Collins at OLB, Hard push up the middle with Shelton and a cast of characters (Ogunjobi/Brantley/Bryant/Meder). And the aggressive approach of Gregg Williams.
Ben R. on his butt is a beautiful sight.
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Gotta like the blindside rusher on that count... and that figures to be Myles.
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
Taylor? Odd comparison...
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
Point taken... also TE as Flugs pointed out or RB chipping. Still, can't do it every time and it's not a part of PAP designs, so I'll stay with MG as my primary...
... but I'll add Collins on an inside stunt when Myles drags the LG wide...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Taylor? Odd comparison...
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
Point taken... also TE as Flugs pointed out or RB chipping. Still, can't do it every time and it's not a part of PAP designs, so I'll stay with MG as my primary...
... but I'll add Collins on an inside stunt when Myles drags the LG wide...
Taylor? Odd comparison...
Why? They basically play the same position. Edge Rusher....be it a DE in a 4-3 which is what Garrett will play, or a OLB in a 3-4, which is what Taylor played.
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Apparently they tried a RB chipping yesterday in practice and he flat ran over RB Terrence Mcgee.
Myles Garrett just bulldozed RB Terrence Magee during 11-on-11. Audible gasps followed by applause from the crowd. #3Browns
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Deja vu...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Gotta like the blindside rusher on that count... and that figures to be Myles.
Normally I would agree but every smart SEC team at least double teamed, so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
so I would expect an extra blocker there 90+% of the time in the NFL as well. That makes it more likely that someone else gets that first strip/sack.
My theme for the season is "Just don't Muck it Up" If we Take away the QB's first read. We just may be able to get there with some sacks. If not Tackle whats in front of you..Tackling since Williams has been around has had a defining silents with media..kinda strange, we shall see thursday
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Deja vu...
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Nah... we've already had this discussion... and you're still incorrect.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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