***Official Browns Vs. Saints Preseason Game Night Thread***

gumby73

All this and more. When the lights came on kizer shined. His deep ball accuracy was rediculous

The Cysko Kid

I think we need to see him go against the ones next week when it still doesn't matter

The Cysko Kid

He throws a pretty deep ball that's for sure.

domcucch1994

Kizer looked impressive.

Really want to see how he does in the next few games as he goes against the 1's, but I am very pleased with his performance.

Way to go DeShone!

thenew23

I've seen plenty of over-drafted, hopeful rookie QBs (Quinn, Weeden, Manziel, McCoy) look good late in a preseason game...

BUT,

I haven't seen a value-drafted rookie QB look like his talent was well above the other 21 on the field late in a preseason game.

Color me impressed. I can't wait to see more.

Ghoolie

@the-gipper said:

Well, OK, guys with head trauma do go to treatment centers

because of concussion. Gee...where do you think possibly of any place that Bernie may have suffered a concussion. Riding a motorcycle? no. Getting shot at in the military? doubt it. Maybe playing QB in the NFL? There's the ticket.

DUDE.................if you have head trauma................you don't go to a treatment center for alcoholics.

So, what we have is the results of head trauma, combined with Youngstownese, and maybe somewhere along the line he had a few too many drinks. Can't think of any one who could have ever had that happen to them. Well, except perhaps every NFL player out there.

Point is this: NOTHING that Bernie ever said, did on a broadcast ever had anything to do with ever being drunk on the air. I have heard him talk on the air a hundred times, and he always sounds that way.......His fucking problem was that he grew up to close to fucking Pittsburgh and sounds somewhat like that. You know: Youngstown. And he has had his head bashed in by 300 pound NFL linemen.

He criticized a BAD QB....and got shit on for his honesty. They don't want honesty...they want milktoast.

They would never want a guy like you ever close to a microphone during a Browns game.

You would be too honestly critical....and so was Kosar.

He was the closest thing to Ghoolie on the TV.

Agreed, but he was drunk.

Ghoolie

To me the story is, what the fuck is wrong with Hue Jackson that he doesn't know Kizer is the #1 QB. Win, lose, or draw, you roll it all on the guy with upside.

Who in their fucking right mind staets a cocksucer that nobody wanted in the first place?

Hue doesn't have a fucking clue what he is doing.

thenew23

@ghoolie said:

To me the story is, what the fuck is wrong with Hue Jackson that he doesn't know Kizer is the #1 QB. Win, lose, or draw, you roll it all on the guy with upside.

Who in their fucking right mind staets a cocksucer that nobody wanted in the first place?

Hue doesn't have a fucking clue what he is doing.

To be fair, let's see who he rolls with Week 1 when it matters...

MLD Woody

@the-gipper said:
Well that's what happens when you have two middle linebackers playing on the outside Collins in Kirksey

Is that what happens? I know you're our LB expert

MLD Woody

@medicineman said:
Enough cutting on guys because where he went to school. This is not NCAA. It is the pros. You don't like Michigan, so fucking what. At the end of the day they are Browns.

Yeah but we could have drafted Hooker

MLD Woody

Reading this thread, through our roller coaster of emotions. Football's back!

hoorta

@tiamat63 said:

Erving slated to start at LT.

About Brock.... he dead.

ain't no luck, I've learned how to duck.

@jrb12711 said:
Cameron Erving is so fucking bad. I literally have no idea how he keeps getting a chance.

You speak the truth. He doesn't belong in the NFL. THE worst play I've ever seen out of a Browns OL, & that's saying something.

@medicineman said:
I seen enough of Brock.

Me too. In general accuracy sucks.

@texasag1969 said:
So Myles smacks the QB on 3rd down says the radio.

Ag- your guy is the real deal. Focused on him.

@orion said:

Just got home from band rehearsal.

Brock 6 of 14 for 42 yards. I'm assuming he looked bad? ???

Others may disagree- but Ostrich didn't impress. Kessler & Kizer looked better. Speaking of- DeShone may make me reconsider- he looked pretty good, considering. ++ ratings to Orchard, Schobert, and Nassib.

Orion

@hoorta said:
. ++ ratings to Orchard, Schobert, and Nassib.

Last year Nassib looked good until he played against starting quality OLinemen.

TexasAg1969

I will watch the game this morning on NFL Net, but one replay they showed during the Broncos game was Oz hitting Britt in the back corner of the endzone right where it needed to be, but Britt failed to toe drag the 2nd foot for the TD as he should have. Had that been done right against 1st teamers folks would not be so down on the Oz. It was fun to see Kizer play well in highlights this morning, but he needs to show it against 1st team players. He'll get his chance.

jrb12711

@texasag1969 said:
I will watch the game this morning on NFL Net, but one replay they showed during the Broncos game was Oz hitting Britt in the back corner of the endzone right where it needed to be, but Britt failed to toe drag the 2nd foot for the TD as he should have. Had that been done right against 1st teamers folks would not be so down on the Oz. It was fun to see Kizer play well in highlights this morning, but he needs to show it against 1st team players. He'll get his chance.

He definitely did, I'll give him credit for that throw and a big "oof!" to Britt. As you'll see in more detail, it wasn't even a tough toe tap either, it's one that's gotta be made. Also had a drop, which would put his stats at 8-14 with a TD. That's much different than the line he put up, but he did miss several throws too.

Here's my general takeaways (in no particular order):

-Myles Garrett is gonna be exciting. Without knowing exactly where he's lined up, it's clear after the snap where he is. Great start.

-I said it a few times, but seriously-cut Cam Erving. The experiment failed and he's beyond repair. The holding call against him was literally something you see in a high school game in terms of being beat. The guy getting pancaked as well was just saddening. No excuse to keep giving this guy a chance.

-Kessler looked like the same old Kessler. Has great touch on this throws (two seam route throws were beautiful w/one drop), but you gotta question if the "it" factor is there..

-I was REALLY impressed by some of the play by the 2nd/3rd string defenders last night. Nassib, Schobert, Boddy-Calhoun, Coley and Orchard (especially him) really made their names known out there. Defense in general was encouraging.

The Kizer question-Honestly, he looked pretty solid. The long pass to set up a TD was a beauty in terms of buying time in the pocket and arm talent to get the ball there is nice to see. We got a long way to go, but my most humble opinion is if it's close, we should seriously consider rolling him out there week one.

jcam222

@gumby73 said:
Wooofpack in d house

Woofpack, I LIKE IT! Gonna get a shirt made up now.

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

Is that what happens? I know you're our LB expert

Clearly more than you. Do you have a fucking explanation as to why we were getting gashed so badly up the middle?

If you noticed, Kirksey DID end up playing in the middle quite a bit...and things were shut down better.

What I actually think will happen with this LB corps is that Williams will have these LBs lining up all over the place. Sometimes Kirksey/Collins will be on the outside, sometimes on the inside. The boy you are responsible for could also get some action doing the same thing. If they are all versatile enough....and they seem to be, they could line up all over the place so as to confuse the offense. (Lets just hope they don't confuse themselves)

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:
I will watch the game this morning on NFL Net, but one replay they showed during the Broncos game was Oz hitting Britt in the back corner of the endzone right where it needed to be, but Britt failed to toe drag the 2nd foot for the TD as he should have. Had that been done right against 1st teamers folks would not be so down on the Oz. It was fun to see Kizer play well in highlights this morning, but he needs to show it against 1st team players. He'll get his chance.

There were also a few dropped passes...which, yes, happens to everyone. Also, honestly....I didn't see where some of his receivers were open at all ....so those "inaccurate passes" may have been a good thing. They could have been Ints. if they were accurate. He simply had to throw a few balls away to avoid sacks and ints.

Mr. Make-Believe

If we're gonna give credit to Osweiler for his receivers drops, then we ought to do the same for Kizer.

After last night's game, can we really honestly take for granted that Brock Osweiler gives this team the best chance to win?

tiamat63

Kizer did some solid things against pretty vanilla man coverage last night. A lot 5 man pressures with cover 1 behind it. More than anything he showed his willingness to stand tall in the pocket. His footwork still needs to be more consistent but his delivery is better over the course of the last 8 months.

There were a couple reads he had but was a bit indecisive on which lead to the receiver getting the ball just a fraction of a second late and not making the most of YAC.

Overall against 2nd and 3rd team players I saw a net positive. However, just like Ben, he won't always be able to use his size to escape sacks. He's going to have to learn to pull the trigger when it's there.