Trubisky 1 - Browns and Garrett 0
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Its possible he could be a good QB. I thought it was a gigantic reach
Both are true statements.....not sure how many thought Trubs would suck, but its probably a low number. Just as few felt certain he'd be great. He might. But it was a gamble to find out.
But trubisky will be that guy, and when Haslem realizes his front office fucked that one up, they are all toast.
Pretty sure the Browns(including Haslam) had LONG, long, long and in depth discussions about Trubisky and still opted for Garrett. Dont think Jimmy had any aspersions as to what Trubs "could" become....
And, if Garrett plays up to expectations, this wont even be a discussion in Berea.....lots of players play above expectation, so Trubs would be one of many who just did better than the Browns thought he would.....dont think they'll lose much sleep over it....
And if Kizer is good.....then the Browns killed it....Mitch who?
for the sake of us browns fans I hope we nailed both, I just fear that other teams will neutralize garrett and make him look like a wasted pick. Since we are both in the 440, would hope you would wish sucess for both TrubisKY and Kizer, but I sense that you look down on us mentorite's and wish for failure out of the 44060. By the way, most experts said this was a bad year for QB's yet all the top 4 performed rather well in their first time out.Both are true statements.....not sure how many thought Trubs would suck, but its probably a low number. Just as few felt certain he'd be great. He might. But it was a gamble to find out.
Pretty sure the Browns(including Haslam) had LONG, long, long and in depth discussions about Trubisky and still opted for Garrett. Dont think Jimmy had any aspersions as to what Trubs "could" become....
And, if Garrett plays up to expectations, this wont even be a discussion in Berea.....lots of players play above expectation, so Trubs would be one of many who just did better than the Browns thought he would.....dont think they'll lose much sleep over it....
And if Kizer is good.....then the Browns killed it....Mitch who?
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My Oh Pinyan on this is wait three years and call me
Rationality is an underappreciated skill on the Browns Board. How dare you?
No kidding, The Gipper would never make thousands of comments on things that won't be settled for 3 years.Rationality is an underappreciated skill on the Browns Board. How dare you?
WSS
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No kidding, The Gipper would never make thousands of comments on things that won't be settled for 3 years.Rationality is an underappreciated skill on the Browns Board. How dare you?
WSS
No kidding, The Gipper would never make thousands of comments on things that won't be settled for 3 years.
WSS
And then he will probably appeal anything he doesn't win and he'll tie you up for years!
(Hey just kidding Gipper, I used to golf with a bunch of lawyers, I trust them....well most of them, one I'm related to I'd have to count every stroke!)
Gipper is right an awful lot here on sports and other matters.
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WTF is the 440
It's our area code.....Trubisky came up in Mentor, which is where Top Dawg lives, and about 5 miles from my house.....
. Since we are both in the 440, would hope you would wish sucess for both TrubisKY and Kizer, but I sense that you look down on us mentorite's and wish for failure out of the 44060. By the way, most experts said this was a bad year for QB's yet all the top 4 performed rather well in their first time out.
You sense I look down on people from Mentor??.....wtf does that even mean.....a completely ridiculous statement.....(completely)
I have no issue with Trubs doing well and wish him the best(which Ive said many, many times).....just because I think Garrett was the better risk, does not mean I hate Trubisky....(or people from Mentor)(sheesh)(possibly the dumbest thing Ive ever heard)
What I hate is the "told ya so" before anything has even been settled with either player....or the implication(this whole tread) that, based upon 1/2 of a practice game, it is clear the Browns made some huge mistake in passing on Trubs....
In a nutshell....you just implied that I have bias against Mentor and/or Trubs(for no reason), yet cannot see your own extreme bias for Trubs...(bias can be for or against and Im just seeing it on one side here)
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WTF is the 440
It's our area code.....Trubisky came up in Mentor, which is where Top Dawg lives, and about 5 miles from my house.....
. Since we are both in the 440, would hope you would wish sucess for both TrubisKY and Kizer, but I sense that you look down on us mentorite's and wish for failure out of the 44060. By the way, most experts said this was a bad year for QB's yet all the top 4 performed rather well in their first time out.
You sense I look down on people from Mentor??.....wtf does that even mean.....a completely ridiculous statement.....(completely)
I have no issue with Trubs doing well and wish him the best(which Ive said many, many times).....just because I think Garrett was the better risk, does not mean I hate Trubisky....(or people from Mentor)(sheesh)(possibly the dumbest thing Ive ever heard)
What I hate is the "told ya so" before anything has even been settled with either player....or the implication(this whole tread) that, based upon 1/2 of a practice game, it is clear the Browns made some huge mistake in passing on Trubs....
In a nutshell....you just implied that I have bias against Mentor and/or Trubs(for no reason), yet cannot see your own extreme bias for Trubs...(bias can be for or against and Im just seeing it on one side here)
It's our area code.....Trubisky came up in Mentor, which is where Top Dawg lives, and about 5 miles from my house.....
I was wondering about that too, I thought for a minute it was the redneck auto air conditioning you know 4 windows down at 40 mph.
Hey you post good stuff Mud even from Mentor.
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Im thinking the real key to this is not to compare Garrett to Trubisky,,,,,but to compare Kizer to Trubisky.....qb vs qb....
And, based upon the first game, they are neck and neck......
The Browns obviously decided to pick the guy with the better(more complete) resume and the highest "probability" to succeed ....which I think is the smart thing to do with the #1 overall pick.....this has been discussed to death and the prevailing thought by 98% of the world is that Trubisky had too many question marks, where Garrett didnt.....and there were several other QB's who were ranked similarly to Trubisky, one of which we selected....
So...in summary....the Browns thought that Garrett was a surer thing than Trubisky.....and that Kizer offered a similar risk and upside.....and went for both.....
Finally.....since the Trubs lovers came flying out of the woodwork after, basically, seeing him play 1/2 game....then lets be fair and give the same to our guy Kizer.....who was the one who won his game.....and was the one who had a higher rating.....and was the one who completed the longer passes(10 yd avg VS 6 yd avg)....and he passed for more yards, with fewer attempts....
Statistically....Kizer was better and we STILL have Garrett to wreak havoc on opposing QB's.....
Im thinking the real key to this is not to compare Garrett to Trubisky,,,,,but to compare Kizer to Trubisky
I disagree Mud, as we have to compare Trubisky to Garrett AND Kizer.... but Duhoolie is far too stupid to understand the reasons why and I sure as hell won't waste a second trying to teach the moron.
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So we have a few knuckleheads more excited about Trubisky than Kizer even if we also landed Garrett, Peppers and Njoku before adding Kizer while Chicago traded away picks to get Mitch L.
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So we have a few knuckleheads more excited about Trubisky than Kizer even if we also landed Garrett, Peppers and Njoku before adding Kizer while Chicago traded away picks to get Mitch L.
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So we have a few knuckleheads more excited about Trubisky than Kizer even if we also landed Garrett, Peppers and Njoku before adding Kizer while Chicago traded away picks to get Mitch L.
So we have a few knuckleheads more excited about Trubisky than Kizer even if we also landed Garrett, Peppers and Njoku before adding Kizer while Chicago traded away picks to get Mitch L.
That's the big picture most everyone graded the BROWNS draft at B, A or A+ so we'll see how it plays out over time.
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So we have a few knuckleheads more excited about Trubisky than Kizer even if we also landed Garrett, Peppers and Njoku before adding Kizer while Chicago traded away picks to get Mitch L.
So we have a few knuckleheads more excited about Trubisky than Kizer even if we also landed Garrett, Peppers and Njoku before adding Kizer while Chicago traded away picks to get Mitch L.
Oh yes we have 100 caveats. Still if trubisky is the real deal then our exchange would be Garrett for Trubisky. First pick for first pick. We exchanged other picks for the other players you mentioned. So we also need to Hope that the guys taken before them with our higher pics don't go to the Pro Bowl.
WSS
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So we have a few knuckleheads more excited about Trubisky than Kizer even if we also landed Garrett, Peppers and Njoku before adding Kizer while Chicago traded away picks to get Mitch L.
Oh yes we have 100 caveats. Still if trubisky is the real deal then our exchange would be Garrett for Trubisky. First pick for first pick. We exchanged other picks for the other players you mentioned. So we also need to Hope that the guys taken before them with our higher pics don't go to the Pro Bowl.
WSS
Oh yes we have 100 caveats. Still if trubisky is the real deal then our exchange would be Garrett for Trubisky. First pick for first pick
Ummm, nope.
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Only on the Browns Board would we be discussing another teams' QB after his first pre-season game..... Guess those of you that think his pre-season action is any indication of his future success will absolutely LOVE this:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/08/browns_gamer_lions_vs_browns.html
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http://imgur.com/FyCk9us would you want the real HOF'er Jim Brown to announce your Pick or The 3 Game HOF'er Carson Wentz? Maybe it's our time we get some Shamrock Luck (finally)
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WTF is the 440
It's our area code.....Trubisky came up in Mentor, which is where Top Dawg lives, and about 5 miles from my house.....
. Since we are both in the 440, would hope you would wish sucess for both TrubisKY and Kizer, but I sense that you look down on us mentorite's and wish for failure out of the 44060. By the way, most experts said this was a bad year for QB's yet all the top 4 performed rather well in their first time out.
You sense I look down on people from Mentor??.....wtf does that even mean.....a completely ridiculous statement.....(completely)
I have no issue with Trubs doing well and wish him the best(which Ive said many, many times).....just because I think Garrett was the better risk, does not mean I hate Trubisky....(or people from Mentor)(sheesh)(possibly the dumbest thing Ive ever heard)
What I hate is the "told ya so" before anything has even been settled with either player....or the implication(this whole tread) that, based upon 1/2 of a practice game, it is clear the Browns made some huge mistake in passing on Trubs....
In a nutshell....you just implied that I have bias against Mentor and/or Trubs(for no reason), yet cannot see your own extreme bias for Trubs...(bias can be for or against and Im just seeing it on one side here)
It's our area code.....Trubisky came up in Mentor, which is where Top Dawg lives, and about 5 miles from my house.....
You sense I look down on people from Mentor??.....wtf does that even mean.....a completely ridiculous statement.....(completely)
I have no issue with Trubs doing well and wish him the best(which Ive said many, many times).....just because I think Garrett was the better risk, does not mean I hate Trubisky....(or people from Mentor)(sheesh)(possibly the dumbest thing Ive ever heard)
What I hate is the "told ya so" before anything has even been settled with either player....or the implication(this whole tread) that, based upon 1/2 of a practice game, it is clear the Browns made some huge mistake in passing on Trubs....
In a nutshell....you just implied that I have bias against Mentor and/or Trubs(for no reason), yet cannot see your own extreme bias for Trubs...(bias can be for or against and Im just seeing it on one side here)
I just see Brady Quinn in Kizer, Courtney Brown in Garrett and a QB in Chicago that looks like he will be the one that got away. Teams will game plan for Garrett thus neutralizing him. Oh sure he'll get a sack here and there but the production will not out weigh passing on Trubisky.
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Oh yes we have 100 caveats. Still if trubisky is the real deal then our exchange would be Garrett for Trubisky. First pick for first pick
Ummm, nope.
Ummm, nope.
So what do you mean by nope? We have the first pick. We can either have trubisky or Garrett with first pick.
WSS
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So what do you mean by nope? We have the first pick. We can either have trubisky or Garrett with first pick.
C'mon man..... It's simple math, figure it out.
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Didn't every single rookie qb look great? Watson, trubisky, Kizer, mahomes all had good stats.
One preseason game means jack shit
Didn't every single rookie qb look great? Watson, trubisky, Kizer, mahomes all had good stats.
One preseason game means jack shit
thats what I saw, but what I saw in Kizer was panic, take away 2 throws of 97 yards and whats left. Can't live by the bomb. I expect BO will continue to prepare to start the season. Kizer still has a long way to go as do the other 3 rookie QB's. I watched the Chicago game and I saw a rookie hit pin point pass after pass while standing in the pocket and while on the run on designed roll outs. Started the game 10 for 10 with a TD, our O can't complete 2 in a row. That is something that you can't teach and he will get even better at it. And I believe he also added 38 yrds on the ground.
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If Trubisky was born and raised in San Diego, this board would be dead silent on him..... you guys with your "local kid" shit are something else.
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