Trubisky 1 - Browns and Garrett 0
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I just see Brady Quinn in Kizer, Courtney Brown in Garrett and a QB in Chicago that looks like he will be the one that got away. Teams will game plan for Garrett thus neutralizing him. Oh sure he'll get a sack here and there but the production will not out weigh passing on Trubisky.
Well that's definitely a glass half empty outlook. Teams game plan for Von Miller every game and he definitely gets his, but also our secondary benefits greatly by the qb's knowing they have to get the ball out immediately, typically have one less route to cover because they keep the back or te in to help block, and the other pass rusher is usually left one on one. Sure teams can game plan for a guy to neutralize him, but that comes at a great cost that doesn't always show up in the stat sheet. My favorite though is when the other team devotes two guys to block him and he drops into coverage and they are just standing there with nothing to do while their qb is getting harassed by the rest of the d-line.
Its funny how many on this board are so quick to label Garrett as a bust (even though camp reports have been nothing but positive) and are so sure that Trubs is a sure thing even though the hit rate of qb's is a coin flip even when taken in the top 10.
My favorite though is when the other team devotes two guys to block him and he drops into coverage and they are just standing there with nothing to do while their qb is getting harassed by the rest of the d-line.
My buckeye mancave sits across from a broncos fan room. my stepson's. I have tried so hard to beat this into this kids head but all I hear each week is "Why would you drop Von into coverage?" My response each week is "cus the other 2 blind dogs will follow him" Maybe this will be his year he gets it? Thanks for making my day..but damn living with a stew-pid Bronco fan is bad enough..(at least a small Sum of ya get it)
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Again, here we go with Browns fans making up sit statistics that mean nothing.
Do they give a W for the plays when a QB is under pressure?
How do you compare 1 level of pressure against another? I mean, don't the Browns have the best OL in the world now? You guys always say that the OL makes the QB, so really Black Tarkenton is shit, it is his OL that made him look better.
STILL..................... Trubisky won the day. No debate, no bullshit " WELL IF YOU ONLY LOOK AT......... Doesn't work that way, cunt boys. Trubisky won the day. Nobody around the NFL is being sizzled by Kizer. He is cockeyed. He is inaccurate.
Trubisky is the shit. WE MADE THE WRONG FUCKING PICK AGAIN...........
But hey, Garrett had one tackle.
Fucking morons. I can't wait until Trubisky carves up Greg WIlliams pansy ass defense.
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Its possible he could be a good QB. I thought it was a gigantic reachBut trubisky will be that guy, and when Haslem realizes his front office fucked that one up, they are all toast.
Its possible he could be a good QB. I thought it was a gigantic reach
Exactly. Now if the 49ers had stood pat and taken Mitch, it wouldn't have been so bad. The Bears gave up three additional draft choices to move up one spot. He better turn out to be the next Aaron Rodgers. Let's not forget Garret was universally considered to be the best player in the draft, and watching the two series he was in on- rightly so.
I just see Brady Quinn in Kizer, Courtney Brown in Garrett and a QB in Chicago that looks like he will be the one that got away. Teams will game plan for Garrett thus neutralizing him. Oh sure he'll get a sack here and there but the production will not out weigh passing on Trubisky.
You don't know that. One half of the first preseason game? Chill. You don't think teams will start game planning for Trubisky? I saw a lot of roll out passes. For the record, I wanted Mitch & hated the Kizer pick. Knew if the Browns had drafted Trubs @ #1, the pundits would have had a field day ragging on the Browns for screwing up.
Didn't every single rookie qb look great? Watson, trubisky, Kizer, mahomes all had good stats.
One preseason game means jack shit
^^^ This.
That reminds me, Stan owes me a Mexican dinner and a pitcher of Margaritas....as I said MT would go in the Top 10.....he felt otherwise. (at least he felt he should NOT go higher than that). I will have to remind him of that. There was someone else here who got in on that bet. Can't recall who. And Stan is a Mentor home boy.
That would be me who was in on the bet Gip. I was hoping we'd get both Garrett and Trubisky- but no one- and I mean no one had the Bears moving up to #2 to take Mitch. (they paid Glennon all that money) You can bet the Browns at least inquired what the 49ers wanted for the #2 pick- but the price was probably too high. If the Bears hadn't gotten crazy- the Browns would probably have moved into the Jets spot to take Trubisky.
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Again, here we go with Browns fans making up sit statistics that mean nothing.
Do they give a W for the plays when a QB is under pressure?
How do you compare 1 level of pressure against another? I mean, don't the Browns have the best OL in the world now? You guys always say that the OL makes the QB, so really Black Tarkenton is shit, it is his OL that made him look better.
STILL..................... Trubisky won the day. No debate, no bullshit " WELL IF YOU ONLY LOOK AT......... Doesn't work that way, cunt boys. Trubisky won the day. Nobody around the NFL is being sizzled by Kizer. He is cockeyed. He is inaccurate.
Trubisky is the shit. WE MADE THE WRONG FUCKING PICK AGAIN...........
But hey, Garrett had one tackle.
Fucking morons. I can't wait until Trubisky carves up Greg WIlliams pansy ass defense.
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Man,
you guys are like angry chicks getting all personally offended and bringing shit into this conversation that really have nothing to do with it.
1) Flugel....If you have been reading my posts recently you know that I am 100% pimping Kizer. Why anyone would start Ass Oiler and waste precious life is beyond me. There is no debate. Kizer is the ONLY QB we have who can be part of the future. Hue is a fucking moron. He WILL be fired.
2) Whether you guys like it or not, the Browns have been ass fucked over and over and over in the draft. Each year you guys invent bullshit to explain why not taking the very top prospects is genius that the rest of the NFL just is not smart enough to understand. We take Winslow, Manziel, Richardson, and Quinn..............They take Petersen, Ben the rapist, and Julio Jones.
If the Browns are to get to a SB, that means not only do they have to draft better than the other guys. Certainly you cannot analytically compare the performance of a QB to that of a DE. But that isn't what the fuck we are talking about. What we are talking about is a simple comparison of [WHO GOT MORE VALUE FOR THE PICK?]
Every year, the Browns get a good deal of positive press on our draft, coaches and outlook. Most of that is because the NFL pimps bad franchises to sell tickets, and the Browns still have sentimental hold on many in the industry.
However, I am talking about reality. The media experts this week are talking about Mitch Trubisky................first and foremost. Does that mean he is destined for Canton? Again, not what we are talking about.
Myels, the future Dallas Cowboy, had one fucking tackle. ONE FUCKING TACKLE..........no sacks, he didn't terrorize anyone, he ran around a lot, He got neutralized quite a bit too..........There is no story anywhere to be found that headlines....Myles Garrett stuns and impresses. Myles Garrett dominates. People who like the Browns say "he had a good game", but he had one fucking tackle.
Trubisky sizzled, and his performance have people aching to watch the Bears to see what's next with this kid. NOBODY............ and I mean NOBODOY is on pins and needles anticipating what Myles The Cowboy is going to do next week
As of week 1?
Trubisky 1 Bears1
Garrett 0 Browns 0
2) Whether you guys like it or not, the Browns have been ass fucked over and over and over in the draft. Each year you guys invent bullshit to explain why not taking the very top prospects is genius that the rest of the NFL just is not smart enough to understand. We take Winslow, Manziel, Richardson, and Quinn..............They take Petersen, Ben the rapist, and Julio Jones.
If the Browns are to get to a SB, that means not only do they have to draft better than the other guys. Certainly you cannot analytically compare the performance of a QB to that of a DE. But that isn't what the fuck we are talking about. What we are talking about is a simple comparison of [WHO GOT MORE VALUE FOR THE PICK?]
So ya'll finally do take the top prospect in the draft and you are trying to say why you should have taken someone else??? I'll trade you Lynch for Garrett any day.
And as far as value... If you want to roll with going off way to little information way too early. You are comparing a starting DE to a 3rd string qb. I am pretty sure the starter brings more value at this point.
I assume Fox needs to be fired too since he has Trubs as third string just like Hue has Kizer???
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Trubisky is the shit. WE MADE THE WRONG FUCKING PICK AGAIN...........
But hey, Garrett had one tackle.
Fucking morons. I can't wait until Trubisky carves up Greg WIlliams pansy ass defense.
Preseason Game #4 and Regular season game#15 I expect between the 2 games, 437yrds 5 TD's, 62 yrds rushing and 1 rushing TD
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Trubisky is the shit. WE MADE THE WRONG FUCKING PICK AGAIN...........
But hey, Garrett had one tackle.
Fucking morons. I can't wait until Trubisky carves up Greg WIlliams pansy ass defense.
Preseason Game #4 and Regular season game#15 I expect between the 2 games, 437yrds 5 TD's, 62 yrds rushing and 1 rushing TD
Preseason Game #4 and Regular season game#15 I expect between the 2 games, 437yrds 5 TD's, 62 yrds rushing and 1 rushing TD
dawg you got to do better than this.... Da Bears just signed K-Roberto Aguayo...a fine 2nd rd pick
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
Man,
you guys are like angry chicks getting all personally offended and bringing shit into this conversation that really have nothing to do with it.
1) Flugel....If you have been reading my posts recently you know that I am 100% pimping Kizer. Why anyone would start Ass Oiler and waste precious life is beyond me. There is no debate. Kizer is the ONLY QB we have who can be part of the future. Hue is a fucking moron. He WILL be fired.
2) Whether you guys like it or not, the Browns have been ass fucked over and over and over in the draft. Each year you guys invent bullshit to explain why not taking the very top prospects is genius that the rest of the NFL just is not smart enough to understand. We take Winslow, Manziel, Richardson, and Quinn..............They take Petersen, Ben the rapist, and Julio Jones.
If the Browns are to get to a SB, that means not only do they have to draft better than the other guys. Certainly you cannot analytically compare the performance of a QB to that of a DE. But that isn't what the fuck we are talking about. What we are talking about is a simple comparison of [WHO GOT MORE VALUE FOR THE PICK?]
Every year, the Browns get a good deal of positive press on our draft, coaches and outlook. Most of that is because the NFL pimps bad franchises to sell tickets, and the Browns still have sentimental hold on many in the industry.
However, I am talking about reality. The media experts this week are talking about Mitch Trubisky................first and foremost. Does that mean he is destined for Canton? Again, not what we are talking about.
Myels, the future Dallas Cowboy, had one fucking tackle. ONE FUCKING TACKLE..........no sacks, he didn't terrorize anyone, he ran around a lot, He got neutralized quite a bit too..........There is no story anywhere to be found that headlines....Myles Garrett stuns and impresses. Myles Garrett dominates. People who like the Browns say "he had a good game", but he had one fucking tackle.
Trubisky sizzled, and his performance have people aching to watch the Bears to see what's next with this kid. NOBODY............ and I mean NOBODOY is on pins and needles anticipating what Myles The Cowboy is going to do next week
As of week 1?
Trubisky 1 Bears1
Garrett 0 Browns 0
Each year you guys invent bullshit to explain why not taking the very top prospects is genius that the rest of the NFL just is not smart enough to understand. We take Winslow, Manziel, Richardson, and Quinn..............They take Petersen, Ben the rapist, and Julio Jones.
We took the top prospect this year. Now invent some bullshit to explain this.
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Preseason Game #4 and Regular season game#15 I expect between the 2 games, 437yrds 5 TD's, 62 yrds rushing and 1 rushing TD
dawg you got to do better than this.... Da Bears just signed K-Roberto Aguayo...a fine 2nd rd pick
dawg you got to do better than this.... Da Bears just signed K-Roberto Aguayo...a fine 2nd rd pick
YIKES! it's all I got.
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YIKES! it's all I got.
a bean picker from Florida State that has never seen 3 feet of snow in his life.-20 breeze.GM & Foxy pack your bags..we'll send valet parking Big Erv. to pick ya up
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Man,
you guys are like angry chicks getting all personally offended and bringing shit into this conversation that really have nothing to do with it.
1) Flugel....If you have been reading my posts recently you know that I am 100% pimping Kizer. Why anyone would start Ass Oiler and waste precious life is beyond me. There is no debate. Kizer is the ONLY QB we have who can be part of the future. Hue is a fucking moron. He WILL be fired.
2) Whether you guys like it or not, the Browns have been ass fucked over and over and over in the draft. Each year you guys invent bullshit to explain why not taking the very top prospects is genius that the rest of the NFL just is not smart enough to understand. We take Winslow, Manziel, Richardson, and Quinn..............They take Petersen, Ben the rapist, and Julio Jones.
If the Browns are to get to a SB, that means not only do they have to draft better than the other guys. Certainly you cannot analytically compare the performance of a QB to that of a DE. But that isn't what the fuck we are talking about. What we are talking about is a simple comparison of [WHO GOT MORE VALUE FOR THE PICK?]
Every year, the Browns get a good deal of positive press on our draft, coaches and outlook. Most of that is because the NFL pimps bad franchises to sell tickets, and the Browns still have sentimental hold on many in the industry.
However, I am talking about reality. The media experts this week are talking about Mitch Trubisky................first and foremost. Does that mean he is destined for Canton? Again, not what we are talking about.
Myels, the future Dallas Cowboy, had one fucking tackle. ONE FUCKING TACKLE..........no sacks, he didn't terrorize anyone, he ran around a lot, He got neutralized quite a bit too..........There is no story anywhere to be found that headlines....Myles Garrett stuns and impresses. Myles Garrett dominates. People who like the Browns say "he had a good game", but he had one fucking tackle.
Trubisky sizzled, and his performance have people aching to watch the Bears to see what's next with this kid. NOBODY............ and I mean NOBODOY is on pins and needles anticipating what Myles The Cowboy is going to do next week
As of week 1?
Trubisky 1 Bears1
Garrett 0 Browns 0
Man,
you guys are like angry chicks getting all personally offended and bringing shit into this conversation that really have nothing to do with it.
1) Flugel....If you have been reading my posts recently you know that I am 100% pimping Kizer. Why anyone would start Ass Oiler and waste precious life is beyond me. There is no debate. Kizer is the ONLY QB we have who can be part of the future. Hue is a fucking moron. He WILL be fired.
I've been reading your posts enough to know an orgasm when I see one. We're trying to talk X's and O's between all your oooze and oz. You're so in love with Trubisky you want him in Playgirl Magazine taking inventory of Paxton Lynch's groin. You'll have to excuse me for getting the heebeegeebees. I used to think they called a gay bar with no seats a fruit stand until I saw your Queer Eye for Trubi-sky.
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Its possible he could be a good QB. I thought it was a gigantic reach
Exactly. Now if the 49ers had stood pat and taken Mitch, it wouldn't have been so bad. The Bears gave up three additional draft choices to move up one spot. He better turn out to be the next Aaron Rodgers. Let's not forget Garret was universally considered to be the best player in the draft, and watching the two series he was in on- rightly so.
I just see Brady Quinn in Kizer, Courtney Brown in Garrett and a QB in Chicago that looks like he will be the one that got away. Teams will game plan for Garrett thus neutralizing him. Oh sure he'll get a sack here and there but the production will not out weigh passing on Trubisky.
You don't know that. One half of the first preseason game? Chill. You don't think teams will start game planning for Trubisky? I saw a lot of roll out passes. For the record, I wanted Mitch & hated the Kizer pick. Knew if the Browns had drafted Trubs @ #1, the pundits would have had a field day ragging on the Browns for screwing up.
Didn't every single rookie qb look great? Watson, trubisky, Kizer, mahomes all had good stats.
One preseason game means jack shit
^^^ This.
That reminds me, Stan owes me a Mexican dinner and a pitcher of Margaritas....as I said MT would go in the Top 10.....he felt otherwise. (at least he felt he should NOT go higher than that). I will have to remind him of that. There was someone else here who got in on that bet. Can't recall who. And Stan is a Mentor home boy.
That would be me who was in on the bet Gip. I was hoping we'd get both Garrett and Trubisky- but no one- and I mean no one had the Bears moving up to #2 to take Mitch. (they paid Glennon all that money) You can bet the Browns at least inquired what the 49ers wanted for the #2 pick- but the price was probably too high. If the Bears hadn't gotten crazy- the Browns would probably have moved into the Jets spot to take Trubisky.
Exactly. Now if the 49ers had stood pat and taken Mitch, it wouldn't have been so bad. The Bears gave up three additional draft choices to move up one spot. He better turn out to be the next Aaron Rodgers. Let's not forget Garret was universally considered to be the best player in the draft, and watching the two series he was in on- rightly so.
You don't know that. One half of the first preseason game? Chill. You don't think teams will start game planning for Trubisky? I saw a lot of roll out passes. For the record, I wanted Mitch & hated the Kizer pick. Knew if the Browns had drafted Trubs @ #1, the pundits would have had a field day ragging on the Browns for screwing up.
^^^ This.
That would be me who was in on the bet Gip. I was hoping we'd get both Garrett and Trubisky- but no one- and I mean no one had the Bears moving up to #2 to take Mitch. (they paid Glennon all that money) You can bet the Browns at least inquired what the 49ers wanted for the #2 pick- but the price was probably too high. If the Bears hadn't gotten crazy- the Browns would probably have moved into the Jets spot to take Trubisky.
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OK Larry then you can pay off maybe when we're in Houston I am sure we can find good Mexican food and margaritas there hey hey hey
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Trubs looked good in his first outing.
Kizer looked good in his first outing.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
that is one sad stat for his makeshift line.
what this tells us is the Bears OL is better than the Texans OL and the Texans OL is better than the Browns OL and in summary we have the worst OL of the 3. Do I get a prize?
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OK Larry then you can pay off maybe when we're in Houston I am sure we can find good Mexican food and margaritas there hey hey hey
OK Larry then you can pay off maybe when we're in Houston I am sure we can find good Mexican food and margaritas there hey hey hey
right outside the stadium, across from the yellow lot, near my hotel where the Texans go for victory nachos 2 hrs after the game ends. Don't know the name of the joint yet but I will. We can all meet up there for Dawg Pound Victory Nachos.
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OK Larry then you can pay off maybe when we're in Houston I am sure we can find good Mexican food and margaritas there hey hey hey
OK Larry then you can pay off maybe when we're in Houston I am sure we can find good Mexican food and margaritas there hey hey hey
Um- I was with you on your side that Trubs was going in the top 10, so Stan owes both of us..
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Trubisky is the shit. WE MADE THE WRONG FUCKING PICK AGAIN...........
But hey, Garrett had one tackle.
Fucking morons. I can't wait until Trubisky carves up Greg WIlliams pansy ass defense.
Preseason Game #4 and Regular season game#15 I expect between the 2 games, 437yrds 5 TD's, 62 yrds rushing and 1 rushing TD
Trubisky is the shit. WE MADE THE WRONG FUCKING PICK AGAIN...........
But hey, Garrett had one tackle.
Fucking morons. I can't wait until Trubisky carves up Greg WIlliams pansy ass defense.
Preseason Game #4 and Regular season game#15 I expect between the 2 games, 437yrds 5 TD's, 62 yrds rushing and 1 rushing TD
Hey, Goober- I wanted Mitch too. Probably not at #1 overall. You putting him in the HOF already? Ya know- I wanted the Browns to draft Ladanian Tomlinson- but I wasn't crying about it after the first preseason game. It's water under the bridge, so root for the Bears if you're so in love with Mitch. Wow, Trubs looked good playing against a 3rd string vanilla defense, with no game planning. Those roll out passes were a gimmick so he'd only have to look at 1\2 the field. Remember a guy by the name of Ben Gay? He was Da Bomb in preseason too. Now he's pumping gas somewhere.
And if you think Garrett wasn't doing anything- you had better rewatch the tape where he ran down a play from the opposite side of the field. When he gets double teamed, that's going to free up Ogbah and Collins to make plays.
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Trubisky is the shit. WE MADE THE WRONG FUCKING PICK AGAIN...........
But hey, Garrett had one tackle.
Fucking morons. I can't wait until Trubisky carves up Greg WIlliams pansy ass defense.
Preseason Game #4 and Regular season game#15 I expect between the 2 games, 437yrds 5 TD's, 62 yrds rushing and 1 rushing TD
Hey, Goober- I wanted Mitch too. Probably not at #1 overall. You putting him in the HOF already? Ya know- I wanted the Browns to draft Ladanian Tomlinson- but I wasn't crying about it after the first preseason game. It's water under the bridge, so root for the Bears if you're so in love with Mitch. Wow, Trubs looked good playing against a 3rd string vanilla defense, with no game planning. Those roll out passes were a gimmick so he'd only have to look at 1\2 the field. Remember a guy by the name of Ben Gay? He was Da Bomb in preseason too. Now he's pumping gas somewhere.
And if you think Garrett wasn't doing anything- you had better rewatch the tape where he ran down a play from the opposite side of the field. When he gets double teamed, that's going to free up Ogbah and Collins to make plays.
Hey, Goober- I wanted Mitch too. Probably not at #1 overall. You putting him in the HOF already? Ya know- I wanted the Browns to draft Ladanian Tomlinson- but I wasn't crying about it after the first preseason game. It's water under the bridge, so root for the Bears if you're so in love with Mitch. Wow, Trubs looked good playing against a 3rd string vanilla defense, with no game planning. Those roll out passes were a gimmick so he'd only have to look at 1\2 the field. Remember a guy by the name of Ben Gay? He was Da Bomb in preseason too. Now he's pumping gas somewhere.
And if you think Garrett wasn't doing anything- you had better rewatch the tape where he ran down a play from the opposite side of the field. When he gets double teamed, that's going to free up Ogbah and Collins to make plays.
Haden made the tackle. Garrett piled on afterwards. He reminds me of Vince Luchison.
Larry, you know, dude, you are to me, an instantaneous time travel pass back to the good old days. No matter what I bundle together and throw at you, we come back to the Browns.
But to your points. This business of "That's going to free up" .......You have no proof of this Larry, only conjecture. If what he was doing will free up Ogbah and Collins to make plays, then you should have witnessed it freeing up the other guys to make plays. GO ahead and like the guy, I am hoping for great things, but I am judging performance. I think all Browns fans have had enough of this............" ell, yeah, it looks bad, but you don't really see what is happening, in the future this is going to translate into...blah blah blah............
It doesn't work that way Larry. You don't throw TD passes tomorrow, you don't win games next year, you don't ask that girl out next time. Life is lived in the present. Now. Today.
Here is what I know. If Garret would not have played, the outcome of that game would be no different, but perhaps someone else would have actually made some plays. You don't draft a fucker #1 so that he can make it possible for the shit guys to look good. You draft a guy to make plays, to make a difference.
Trubisky made a difference. Garrett was....yawn..................... meaningless, save for a pile on after Haden made the tackle. Kizer? You betcha.... he made a difference. He made plays. Now, you wanna critique about how he will learn, improve, etc for the future and make life easier on other guys? Sure............ I am supportive of that. BUT HE MADE PLAYS. Garret made nothing.
He is a #1 pick dude. Save this bullshit of, well it looks like he is doing nothing but really to the trained eye............
Garrett was a dud. He got handled pretty well by a nobody At OT. I am holding you to your words dude. You blabbed on about how we needed a new OL..... you got what you wanted, and as I told you all along, IT WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE because 5 men cannot block 8. The Browns 2017 OL is no better than the 2016 version....................... A fat ass is a fat ass is a fat ass.
Greg Williams................. Flugel tatood GW on his wifes ass and salivated about how these guys will be whipped up into a frenzy. The D looked no different than Hortons, maybe even worse.
Its all about the QB, then the WR, TE and RB. The rest of the players are far less crucial. Without skilled players, the OL and D will suck.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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