Wtf is happening in Charlottesville?
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Neither group should be acting violent towards the other.
But I think it is also important to remember one side in this conflict are literally Nazis spouting hate speech. Not the "everyone that disagrees with me is a Nazi" BS we see on this board, but actual white nationalist, "Jews and niggers need cleansed from our white society", Nazis
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More unfortunately he was speaking specifically about the Friday night torchlight rally when talking about good people within that march who just want the statues of our heritage to remain. And anyone with a lick of sense that actually fit that bill would have just left when the Nazi chants started. So I think he is dead wrong that there were any good people there interested only in preserving history. I qualify 3 times over to join the Sons of the Confederacy, but I have no doubt this is just a cover for a racist group and not history buffs per se. So I don't join and I don't attend though I love reading Civil War history. No "good people" with a brain would ever find themselves marching in torchlight parades like Friday's and no one with a brain would think there were any good people there either.
I'm not going to disagree with you if that is the case. I heard enough of the sickening chants by the torch bearers and you are right no good person would be associated with that. Is that what Trump was speaking about though or was it more general that on the issue of the confederate statues/memorials and their staying or being taken down there are good people on both sides of this issue. I would agree with that.
I'm not going to disagree with you if that is the case. I heard enough of the sickening chants by the torch bearers and you are right no good person would be associated with that. Is that what Trump was speaking about though or was it more general that on the issue of the confederate statues/memorials and their staying or being taken down there are good people on both sides of this issue. I would agree with that.
If you watch the original press conference you will find he is in fact speaking about the Friday night torchlight rally. That was the context. However since I'm becoming increasingly convinced Trump has some early dementia issues going on, I could actually give him a break and say he got it somewhat confused with some of the daytime clashes. But whatever the case, he linked it that way whether intentionally or due to deficits. Either reason is equally disturbing in it's own right.
The first minute is him speaking about Friday specifically. You can watch the rest if you want, but most is commentary.
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Just a bit of a laugh.
The shame of all this is that there really are a lot of very good people, including a lot of folks here, who have supported him come hell or high water. Many of my personal friends fall in that category as you would expect from an extremely Republican state. As each week goes by they look at the ground more and more while trying to defend his latest fiasco that now seems to occur almost daily. They increasingly try to deflect with the "but Hillary......." which has nothing to do with Trump's craziness.
I have a survivalist brother (the former B-52 nuke driver) that is so far alt-right that he makes Trump defenders here look like a bunch of pinko communists. He sent me an this email this week: "The good thing is that you no longer have to be viewed as an alarmist or a "survivalist". You can just say "Now that we have Trump, so this is a logical precaution.". Who said he wouldn't bring this country together? LOL!"
My reply: "Who is this? What have you done with my brother?
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I would like to point out though that it's pretty obvious that the president said nothing wrong and there is blame on both sides for the violent Clash. Even Woody seems to think so except that he'll probably change that because it means that he has to agree with me or the president. So exactly what is this battle over?
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I'm not going to disagree with you if that is the case. I heard enough of the sickening chants by the torch bearers and you are right no good person would be associated with that. Is that what Trump was speaking about though or was it more general that on the issue of the confederate statues/memorials and their staying or being taken down there are good people on both sides of this issue. I would agree with that.
If you watch the original press conference you will find he is in fact speaking about the Friday night torchlight rally. That was the context. However since I'm becoming increasingly convinced Trump has some early dementia issues going on, I could actually give him a break and say he got it somewhat confused with some of the daytime clashes. But whatever the case, he linked it that way whether intentionally or due to deficits. Either reason is equally disturbing in it's own right.
The first minute is him speaking about Friday specifically. You can watch the rest if you want, but most is commentary.
If you watch the original press conference you will find he is in fact speaking about the Friday night torchlight rally. That was the context. However since I'm becoming increasingly convinced Trump has some early dementia issues going on, I could actually give him a break and say he got it somewhat confused with some of the daytime clashes. But whatever the case, he linked it that way whether intentionally or due to deficits. Either reason is equally disturbing in it's own right.
The first minute is him speaking about Friday specifically. You can watch the rest if you want, but most is commentary.
If he was speaking off the cuff (which he was) it would not be hard for anyone to make a mistake. Obama all the time would do this when he got off script. After seeing the video with the audio and hearing the chants of those with the torches I don't see how you could say there were good in bad in that bunch. They are all bad, the good ones would have left and not been a part of it. I think most if not all of the leftist criticism of Trump has been a bunch of rubbish from those who cannot accept the election results but this one is disturbing to me. The double standards on race though are amazing. HIllary Clinton praises former grand wizard KKK Robert Byrd as her mentor and says other glowing things about him and it doesn't even make much of a ripple in the liberal media and you know good and well that a republican would have never gotten away with making that statement.:
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However there is this showing that people actually can change. BTW that KKK suit is a photoshop. He dropped his membership in 1952.
"Byrd later called joining the KKK "the greatest mistake I ever made."[20] In 1997, he told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also warned, "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."[21] In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision—a jejune and immature outlook—seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."[22] Byrd also said in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."[11]
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However there is this showing that people actually can change. BTW that KKK suit is a photoshop. He dropped his membership in 1952.
"Byrd later called joining the KKK "the greatest mistake I ever made."[20] In 1997, he told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also warned, "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."[21] In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision—a jejune and immature outlook—seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."[22] Byrd also said in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."[11]
However there is this showing that people actually can change. BTW that KKK suit is a photoshop.
"Byrd later called joining the KKK "the greatest mistake I ever made."[20] In 1997, he told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also warned, "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."[21] In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision—a jejune and immature outlook—seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."[22] Byrd also said in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."[11]
And how many times has Trump disavowed David Duke and white supremacists? Many times through the years he has called them out.
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And Robert E Lee was against slavery.
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Another racist mentor (William Fulbright) of the Clintons whom the Clinton's openly praise but got little pushback from the liberal media:
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And Robert E Lee was against slavery.
WSS
And Robert E Lee was against slavery.
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Ironically, he was also against monuments to the Confederacy and to the flying of the Confederate battle flag after the war ended: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments/
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Byrd was not a former Grand Wizard. Fake news.
And once again when current criticism of Trump comes out we hear the usual attempts to deflect the conversation......................................."but Hillary".
And once again I will continue to say this is about Trump who is president, not Hillarity who is not.
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Byrd was not a former Grand Wizard. Fake news.
And once again when current criticism of Trump comes out we hear the usual attempts to deflect the conversation......................................."but Hillary".
And once again I will continue to say this is about Trump who is president, not Hillarity who is not.
Byrd was not a former Grand Wizard. Fake news.
And once again when current criticism of Trump comes out we here the usual attempts to deflect the conversation......................................."but Hillary".
And once again I will continue to say this is about Trump who is president, not Hillarity who is not.
And Trump winning is the main problem with the left who cannot accept the fact they were defeated by Trump in 16. If Trump would not have won then Hillary Clinton would have been president and I am pointing out the skeletons in her closet the liberal media either hide or minimize.
Also Byrd was not a grand dragon of the KKK (my mistake) but an "exalted cyclops" in the KKK whatever that means but still despicable non the less. I
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Of all the nonsense being thrown at Trump over Charlottesville there is one part of the rubbish that disturbs me and that is Trump saying there were good and bad people in the torch march. They were all bad people. Even those who were not making the despicable chants were marching with those who were so I condemn them all. I won't even give them the benefit of the doubt. I think Trump made a terrible mistake in saying there were good and bad people in that march and I would like to see him take that back.
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Byrd was not a former Grand Wizard. Fake news.
And once again when current criticism of Trump comes out we hear the usual attempts to deflect the conversation......................................."but Hillary".
And once again I will continue to say this is about Trump who is president, not Hillarity who is not.
Byrd was not a former Grand Wizard. Fake news.
And once again when current criticism of Trump comes out we hear the usual attempts to deflect the conversation......................................."but Hillary".
And once again I will continue to say this is about Trump who is president, not Hillarity who I supported..
Fixed it for you.
WSS
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Byrd was not a former Grand Wizard. Fake news.
And once again when current criticism of Trump comes out we hear the usual attempts to deflect the conversation......................................."but Hillary".
And once again I will continue to say this is about Trump who is president, not Hillarity who I supported..
Fixed it for you.
WSS
Fixed it for you.
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LOL!
Let's at least be accurate. I did not support Trump who I feared would do exactly as he has done. In this state there was no alternative for President other than Hillarity. Had I had any other viable choice I would have gone there. Libertarian? Green Party? Not me!See any good write-ins here?
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Your assessment is not based on fact because those circumstances never came to pass. Your assessment is based on speculation.Actually, my understanding is based in fact. I understand the pressure to drop slavery that existed at the time from Europe and elsewhere. I also understand that it was necessary to pry it from the cold, dead hands of the people that held on to it. Like I said, the war erupted because the balance of power regarding slavery was due to be potentially upset by the direct threat of adding more slave or free states. So, I am referring to the synchronic forces in play, while you seem to prefer to emphasize the diachronic forces. It's a classic tit for tat in historical discussions, or so I learned in my doctoral history courses at OSU.
And the speculation isn't even based on fact.
As I said before and you choose to ignore oil would soon replace cotton as the commodity of the day. The need for human labor would drop drastically. So why bear the expense and danger of keeping slaves?
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Your assessment is not based on fact because those circumstances never came to pass. Your assessment is based on speculation.
And the speculation isn't even based on fact.
As I said before and you choose to ignore oil would soon replace cotton as the commodity of the day. The need for human labor would drop drastically. So why bear the expense and danger of keeping slaves?
WSS
No, the Missouri Compromise, Kansas-Nebraska Act and "Bleeding Kansas" were facts. Because of them the war "came to pass." It is called history. Your speculation that slavery would be gone "soon enough" is, quite simply, speculation. Your speculation never "came to pass" in actual history because the war stopped it first. See how that works?
Also, why "bear the expense and danger of keeping slaves"? Ludicrous question, considering they wrecked their new-born Confederacy and killed hundreds of thousands of their own men just to KEEP SLAVES. Why do that? For the historical reasons I cited in earlier posts.
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I would like to point out though that it's pretty obvious that the president said nothing wrong and there is blame on both sides for the violent Clash. Even Woody seems to think so except that he'll probably change that because it means that he has to agree with me or the president. So exactly what is this battle over?
WSS
I would like to point out though that it's pretty obvious that the president said nothing wrong and there is blame on both sides for the violent Clash. Even Woody seems to think so except that he'll probably change that because it means that he has to agree with me or the president. So exactly what is this battle over?
WSS
I realize it may be hard for you and others on here to follow, but it's possible to agree with ideas and actions, regardless of political party. Half of this board would find a way to disagree with Hillary saying 2+2=4.
When Trump says climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese I don't disagree because Trump said it. I disagree because it's a stupid thing to say.
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im pretty sure that within the 10 pages or so it is clear that you walked back the "you are all nazi sympathizers"
to pretty much the middle ground and the agreeable side.
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I would like to point out though that it's pretty obvious that the president said nothing wrong and there is blame on both sides for the violent Clash. Even Woody seems to think so except that he'll probably change that because it means that he has to agree with me or the president. So exactly what is this battle over?
WSS
I realize it may be hard for you and others on here to follow, but it's possible to agree with ideas and actions, regardless of political party. Half of this board would find a way to disagree with Hillary saying 2+2=4.
When Trump says climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese I don't disagree because Trump said it. I disagree because it's a stupid thing to say.
I realize it may be hard for you and others on here to follow, but it's possible to agree with ideas and actions, regardless of political party. Half of this board would find a way to disagree with Hillary saying 2+2=4.
When Trump says climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese I don't disagree because Trump said it. I disagree because it's a stupid thing to say.
no, you disagree because you are a wannabe antifa woman woodypeckerhead.
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