Tiamat's 2017 Camp observations and thoughts
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In the words of Pac - "part 2, still ballin".
Follow up notes from all the short hand I put down.
- Garrett OWNED Rod Johnson. Like, it was bad. What I saw was illegal in at least 6 different states.
- A lot of 21 personnel groupings. Didn't see any of the gun with the double back side pulls like I witnessed with RG3 last year.
- With that 21 personnel came a lot of 4 wide and bunch sets and as you can imagine, Duke split into the slot role. Surprisingly flex on the LOS quite a bit. He beat Currie on a Texas (angle route for some of you) and Oz never looked his way.
- Nothing in the way of flanker or TE's screens that I saw. No package plays for Peppers. Entirely possible it's being withheld or not happening at all. Again, carries on offense take their toll.
- His throwing motion might look better but his ball action fake is still shit. Kizer HAS to sell that stretch better otherwise he's going to get splattered by backside pursuit after the fake.
- Ricardo not only looks night and day better from last year but he didn't bobble a single catch. Had a great backshoulder adjustment against man thrown by Oz. Then Kess had a bad overthrow on a 12 yard comeback. You could tell Louis was frustrated by that because he stuck his left hand down and yelled where he wanted the ball placed.
- Hue is still trying to set our QB's up with easy reads quite often. And no, I don't just mean Kizer. Motion to some flood was pretty common.
- Your 'move' TE looks to be a feature this year. 21 and 31 personnel had Devalve flying all over the place
- More open/weak side runs than last year. Which is encouraging to see as Crow and Dayes both played the cutbacks well throughout the day.
- I was surprised how effective Fabiano was at combo blocking. As a center, that's kind of his bread and butter... but he worked off initial contact and got the second level a couple times and did it in a hurry.
All in all, the defense looks improved. I expect the Oline to be better and thus the running game. So long as coach sticks with his word and remains committed to pounding the rock. I also see signs of an offense and coaching staff trying to find the best ways to get the ball into the hands of the playmaking pass catchers through personnel and formation groupings, but I cannot stress this enough, do not expect the offense to hum with ANY of our QB's unless we find a running game that's like 2011 Niners dominant.
You see pieces, you see improvement. But you still have another draft and development of young players to go. Of course this includes adding the most important piece on the board - your QB. I'm still convinced a top flight receiver is in order. However QB and secondary really need to addressed in the 2018 offseason unless Kizer progresses that much. There are flashes with him like any sought after rookie, and it was very nice to see him stay behind in practice to throw extra passes making that motion second nature. It doesn't make up for game speed reads, anticipation and timing. He still has a long way to go. If you want to start him week 1, be my guest. I can all but promise you though he won't be leaps and bounds better than Oz or Kess at this time.
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Still wasting too much time having 22 WR's in camp. Our O is going to suffer due to carrying all the extra baggage.
From what I saw we suffer from a dearth of WR's. Louis might be our best asside from Britt.
And in case you wondered, Erving was straight bullied all day long.
Tour - Shon held his own quite well. Still needs to polish his kick step but RT appears to be solidified.
Outstanding note taking...
Tour - Shon held his own quite well. Still needs to polish his kick step but RT appears to be solidified.
Good to read... Joe will work on the kick with him.
- Garrett OWNED Rod Johnson. Like, it was bad. What I saw was illegal in at least 6 different states.- His throwing motion might look better but his ball action fake is still shit. Kizer HAS to sell that stretch better otherwise he's going to get splattered by backside pursuit after the fake.
- I was surprised how effective Fabiano was at combo blocking. As a center, that's kind of his bread and butter... but he worked off initial contact and got the second level a couple times and did it in a hurry.
Rod is raw with a little "Cam" in him, but not so much that he cannot overcome it.
Only Kess has shown much PAP proficiency... and he had it last year.
Fabs does have some game...
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Thanks man, appreciate the work you put in for the benefit of people who can't make it.
Just wondering, do you have any more information on Larry Ogunjobi that you saw? I'm a proud UNC-Charlotte alumni and I'm hoping he excels in Cleveland. It seems like Coley and Brantley might be getting more initial looks though.
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Thanks man, appreciate the work you put in for the benefit of people who can't make it.
Just wondering, do you have any more information on Larry Ogunjobi that you saw? I'm a proud UNC-Charlotte alumni and I'm hoping he excels in Cleveland. It seems like Coley and Brantley might be getting more initial looks though.
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Thanks man, appreciate the work you put in for the benefit of people who can't make it.
Just wondering, do you have any more information on Larry Ogunjobi that you saw? I'm a proud UNC-Charlotte alumni and I'm hoping he excels in Cleveland. It seems like Coley and Brantley might be getting more initial looks though.
... Larry Ogunjobi...
Kid that seemed to keep making plays late was hybrid-LB, Kenneth Olugbode...
Announcers everywhere have to hope one or the other gets cut...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Thanks man, appreciate the work you put in for the benefit of people who can't make it.
Just wondering, do you have any more information on Larry Ogunjobi that you saw? I'm a proud UNC-Charlotte alumni and I'm hoping he excels in Cleveland. It seems like Coley and Brantley might be getting more initial looks though.
Thanks man, appreciate the work you put in for the benefit of people who can't make it.
Just wondering, do you have any more information on Larry Ogunjobi that you saw? I'm a proud UNC-Charlotte alumni and I'm hoping he excels in Cleveland. It seems like Coley and Brantley might be getting more initial looks though.
Sorry I didnt catch this. Larry was in with the third team. I never saw him make much of a splash so nothing great to report.
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so 3 starters out of 36 picks in the last 2 years?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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so 3 starters out of 36 picks in the last 2 years?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Show your math? Looks more a minimum of seven to me... three O and three D plus one K... and could go as high as 10.
- O: S. Coleman, C. Coleman, Louis or Payton with Devalve a possible... so 3 to 4.
Garrett, Ogbah, Kindred with Peppers and Schobert as possibles... so 3 to 5 or 6.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
so 3 starters out of 36 picks in the last 2 years?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Show your math? Looks more a minimum of seven to me... three O and three D plus one K... and could go as high as 10.
- O: S. Coleman, C. Coleman, Louis or Payton with Devalve a possible... so 3 to 4.
- Garrett, Ogbah, Kindred with Peppers and Schobert as possibles... so 3 to 5 or 6.
Show your math? Looks more a minimum of seven to me... three O and three D plus one K... and could go as high as 10.
- O: S. Coleman, C. Coleman, Louis or Payton with Devalve a possible... so 3 to 4.
- Garrett, Ogbah, Kindred with Peppers and Schobert as possibles... so 3 to 5 or 6.
out of 36?
what is that like 10%?
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lol.... like I said... "show your math"
2017 - 10 picks
2016 - 14 picks
Yup... that's 36 alrightie...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
lol.... like I said... "show your math"
2017 - 10 picks
2016 - 14 picks
Yup... that's 36 alrightie...
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24.
3 starters out of 24 equals what?...... a whopping 12.5 %.
exactly. there's ur math bucko.
LOL! He just gave you 3 to 4 on O and 3-6 on D, so minimum of 6 and max of 10, so how does that add up to 3 mik? Back to math 101 you go.
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so 3 starters out of 36 picks in the last 2 years?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Show your math? Looks more a minimum of seven to me... three O and three D plus one K... and could go as high as 10.
- O: S. Coleman, C. Coleman, Louis or Payton with Devalve a possible... so 3 to 4.
- Garrett, Ogbah, Kindred with Peppers and Schobert as possibles... so 3 to 5 or 6.
Sashi Brown knows math?.
- O: S. Coleman, C. Coleman, Louis or Payton
- Kindred with Peppers
6 of your maybe picks relate to the Wentz trade.. He better not miss ..
(Kizer,Kessler & Durango are on deck with the safety net) Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
LOL! He just gave you 3 to 4 on O and 3-6 on D, so minimum of 6 and max of 10, so how does that add up to 3 mik? Back to math 101 you go.
Hahaha!!
Key word was 'possible'.
Show me proven NFL talent...Nassib, Coleman, Ogbah ....really???????? That's 3 BTW.
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6 of your maybe picks relate to the Wentz trade.. He better not miss ..
(Kizer,Kessler & Durango are on deck with the safety net) Did not realize that.
Hahaha!! Key word was 'possible'. Show me proven NFL talent...Nassib, Coleman, Ogbah ....really???????? That's 3 BTW.
The key word was yours: "starter". Not all starters are created equal. Some are stars. Some are "solid". Some are by default.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
6 of your maybe picks relate to the Wentz trade.. He better not miss ..
(Kizer,Kessler & Durango are on deck with the safety net) Did not realize that.
Hahaha!! Key word was 'possible'. Show me proven NFL talent...Nassib, Coleman, Ogbah ....really???????? That's 3 BTW.
The key word was yours: "starter". Not all starters are created equal. Some are stars. Some are "solid". Some are by default.
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Math is hard, apparently.
Math is hard, apparently.
not for someone who lives 12miles outside NYC and has an accountant wife who would pick up a penny off the ground.
u don't like the math, the prices, your budget? then stay the fuck in fulton OH. you wouldn't last here a month.
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LOL! He just gave you 3 to 4 on O and 3-6 on D, so minimum of 6 and max of 10, so how does that add up to 3 mik? Back to math 101 you go.
Hahaha!!
Key word was 'possible'.
Show me proven NFL talent...Nassib, Coleman, Ogbah ....really???????? That's 3 BTW.
Hahaha!!
Key word was 'possible'.
Show me proven NFL talent...Nassib, Coleman, Ogbah ....really???????? That's 3 BTW.
You said 'starters'. Either accept you may be wrong or fuck off with polluting what is a reasonable and decent thread.
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You said 'starters'. Either accept you may be wrong or fuck off with polluting what is a reasonable and decent thread.
ok genius.....tell me 'starters' that would be on any other team's roster from the last 2 drafts?
fucko.
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