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  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    Yeah, Deshone Kizer "hates you". Colquitt hates you too, apparently. 

    For all those that just can't hang around because they have little better to do than be 'offended...' it's been real.   See you for the draft, I'm sure. 

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    @tiamat63 said:

    Yeah, Deshone Kizer "hates you". Colquitt hates you too, apparently. 

    For all those that just can't hang around because they have little better to do than be 'offended...' it's been real.   See you for the draft, I'm sure. 

    Knowing what a stickler you are for details Deshone Kizer and Colquitt didn't kneel.

    Of course if you believe that Isaiah Crowell loves you then cheer him on and wear his jersey.

    And I doubt that anyone would support a white player making some sort of an incendiary "gesture" to protest violence in the Inner City. Just a hunch.

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      Ahhh so hand on the shoulder is good so long as we're not kneeling?    So Devalve kneeling in prayer then - HE must hate you, no?

      I think people wouldn't give a flying fuck about a white protesting anything.  Just like they shouldn't now.   

      The bitching about it is what gets me.   Do you support it? Cool.   Don't support it? Great.   Indifferent or don't care? Even better.   I've seen this board, the Browns Facebook page and the NFL page flooded with comments that have overwhelmed reasonable football talk.    It's as bad as the SJ crowd that spammed the NFL page when the Kaep thing started.   Youre all a bunch of loons feigning hurt.

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      • tiamat63T tiamat63

        Yeah, Deshone Kizer "hates you". Colquitt hates you too, apparently. 

        For all those that just can't hang around because they have little better to do than be 'offended...' it's been real.   See you for the draft, I'm sure. 

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        @tiamat63 said:

        Yeah, Deshone Kizer "hates you". Colquitt hates you too, apparently. 

        For all those that just can't hang around because they have little better to do than be 'offended...' it's been real.   See you for the draft, I'm sure. 

        Yeah, conservatives are the ones that get offended about everything. Okie dokie. Meanwhile the left gets mad if you call someone with a penis a man. Makes sense. 

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          Jesus Christ.. They took a knee..

          It's not like they pulled down their pants and took a shit on the American flag.. Who cares?

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            Jesus Christ.. They took a knee..

            It's not like they pulled down their pants and took a shit on the American flag.. Who cares?

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            @domcucch1994 said:

            Jesus Christ.. They took a knee..

            It's not like they pulled down their pants and took a shit on the American flag.. Who cares?

            Yea, no players have done that....but those guys marching with their swastikas and stars and bars together in Charlottesville did exacty that, imo.

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              Ahhh so hand on the shoulder is good so long as we're not kneeling?    So Devalve kneeling in prayer then - HE must hate you, no?

              I think people wouldn't give a flying fuck about a white protesting anything.  Just like they shouldn't now.   

              The bitching about it is what gets me.   Do you support it? Cool.   Don't support it? Great.   Indifferent or don't care? Even better.   I've seen this board, the Browns Facebook page and the NFL page flooded with comments that have overwhelmed reasonable football talk.    It's as bad as the SJ crowd that spammed the NFL page when the Kaep thing started.   Youre all a bunch of loons feigning hurt.

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              @tiamat63 said:

              Ahhh so hand on the shoulder is good so long as we're not kneeling?    So Devalve kneeling in prayer then - HE must hate you, no?

              I think people wouldn't give a flying fuck about a white protesting anything.  Just like they shouldn't now.   

              The bitching about it is what gets me.   Do you support it? Cool.   Don't support it? Great.   Indifferent or don't care? Even better.   I've seen this board, the Browns Facebook page and the NFL page flooded with comments that have overwhelmed reasonable football talk.    It's as bad as the SJ crowd that spammed the NFL page when the Kaep thing started.   Youre all a bunch of loons feigning hurt.

              Actually when you get done seething over this just remember my point, I'm only a fan. I read for these guys because of territorial loyalty for the most part. I like musicians and actors Etc because of their talent or the art they produce. Or athletes because they perform well for my city. I'm an Entertainer by profession but I would imagine that I would rightly lose friends and fans if I began every performance but insulting the largest part of my audience. Who knows, a few of them might think it's cool but... I think you get the idea.

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                @tiamat63 said:

                Yeah, Deshone Kizer "hates you". Colquitt hates you too, apparently. 

                For all those that just can't hang around because they have little better to do than be 'offended...' it's been real.   See you for the draft, I'm sure. 

                Yeah, conservatives are the ones that get offended about everything. Okie dokie. Meanwhile the left gets mad if you call someone with a penis a man. Makes sense. 

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                tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                @wargograw said:

                Yeah, conservatives are the ones that get offended about everything. Okie dokie. Meanwhile the left gets mad if you call someone with a penis a man. Makes sense. 

                Yeah and those people are fucked in the head as well.  What's your point, babygirl?

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                  @tiamat63 said:

                  Ahhh so hand on the shoulder is good so long as we're not kneeling?    So Devalve kneeling in prayer then - HE must hate you, no?

                  I think people wouldn't give a flying fuck about a white protesting anything.  Just like they shouldn't now.   

                  The bitching about it is what gets me.   Do you support it? Cool.   Don't support it? Great.   Indifferent or don't care? Even better.   I've seen this board, the Browns Facebook page and the NFL page flooded with comments that have overwhelmed reasonable football talk.    It's as bad as the SJ crowd that spammed the NFL page when the Kaep thing started.   Youre all a bunch of loons feigning hurt.

                  Actually when you get done seething over this just remember my point, I'm only a fan. I read for these guys because of territorial loyalty for the most part. I like musicians and actors Etc because of their talent or the art they produce. Or athletes because they perform well for my city. I'm an Entertainer by profession but I would imagine that I would rightly lose friends and fans if I began every performance but insulting the largest part of my audience. Who knows, a few of them might think it's cool but... I think you get the idea.

                  WSS

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                  tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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                  @westside-steve said:

                  Actually when you get done seething over this just remember my point, I'm only a fan. I read for these guys because of territorial loyalty for the most part. I like musicians and actors Etc because of their talent or the art they produce. Or athletes because they perform well for my city. I'm an Entertainer by profession but I would imagine that I would rightly lose friends and fans if I began every performance but insulting the largest part of my audience. Who knows, a few of them might think it's cool but... I think you get the idea.

                  WSS

                  So Seth Devalve insulted you and hates you?   Is that correct?

                  Edit:  you made the thread and I responded. Whom is "seething" here?

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                  • tiamat63T tiamat63

                    @wargograw said:

                    Yeah, conservatives are the ones that get offended about everything. Okie dokie. Meanwhile the left gets mad if you call someone with a penis a man. Makes sense. 

                    Yeah and those people are fucked in the head as well.  What's your point, babygirl?

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                    @tiamat63 said:

                    Yeah and those people are fucked in the head as well.  What's your point, babygirl?

                    That you are more mad at those who are offended in response than those with the original offense (the protesting players). Don't act like you're neutral. 

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                      @domcucch1994 said:

                      Jesus Christ.. They took a knee..

                      It's not like they pulled down their pants and took a shit on the American flag.. Who cares?

                      Yea, no players have done that....but those guys marching with their swastikas and stars and bars together in Charlottesville did exacty that, imo.

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                      @the-gipper said:

                      Yea, no players have done that....but those guys marching with their swastikas and stars and bars together in Charlottesville did exacty that, imo.

                      And shouldn't you have the right to decide whether or not you want to support the businesses that those people work at?

                      Or do you imagine you would say well that's fine they have freedom of belief. Knowing you I would imagine that option is unlikely.

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                        @tiamat63 said:

                        Yeah and those people are fucked in the head as well.  What's your point, babygirl?

                        That you are more mad at those who are offended in response than those with the original offense (the protesting players). Don't act like you're neutral. 

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                        tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                        @wargograw said:

                        That you are more mad at those who are offended in response than those with the original offense (the protesting players). Don't act like you're neutral. 

                        I'm not mad at any of them.  I'm tired of the crying from both sides as I've illustrated.  The Kaep supporters and the fans for their equally bitchy response. 

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                        • tiamat63T tiamat63

                          @wargograw said:

                          That you are more mad at those who are offended in response than those with the original offense (the protesting players). Don't act like you're neutral. 

                          I'm not mad at any of them.  I'm tired of the crying from both sides as I've illustrated.  The Kaep supporters and the fans for their equally bitchy response. 

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                          @tiamat63 said:

                          I'm not mad at any of them.  I'm tired of the crying from both sides as I've illustrated.  The Kaep supporters and the fans for their equally bitchy response. 

                          It is a distraction. A distraction a team that went 1-15 last season doesn't need. Hue Jackson said just a few weeks ago he respected the players right to protest but preferred they would not do it during the national anthem. So much for some of the players listening to their coach.

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                            @the-gipper said:

                            Yea, no players have done that....but those guys marching with their swastikas and stars and bars together in Charlottesville did exacty that, imo.

                            And shouldn't you have the right to decide whether or not you want to support the businesses that those people work at?

                            Or do you imagine you would say well that's fine they have freedom of belief. Knowing you I would imagine that option is unlikely.

                            WSS

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                            The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                            @westside-steve said:

                            And shouldn't you have the right to decide whether or not you want to support the businesses that those people work at?

                            Or do you imagine you would say well that's fine they have freedom of belief. Knowing you I would imagine that option is unlikely.

                            WSS

                            Then you clearly don't know me after 50 years. (but actually, I think you do) These Nazis/KKK etc. DO have their freedom to believe their beliefs (you know I believe that...you are just trying to stir up shit).  And you also know that I believe that YOU have the right to call these people stupid cocksuckers/asshole racists.  And let's assume for a moment that that is exactly what you think about them.

                            As to supporting their businesses? I don't know...I suspect that if they were selling me burgers or widgets I would put my personal self interest above that....unless for some reason they spew their hate and venom as part and parcel of the business I am conducting with them. Example, while I am not doing criminal work, I do believe these guys, if they commit a crime in furtherance of their hate mongering (such as running over a woman with their car) are entitled to a full and fair defense. But that does not mean that I personally have to be the one to defend them. For a couple of reasons: 1. because I am not doing defense work and they would need more competent counsel, and 2.  I would be under no legal obligation to defend them if I felt they were objectionable persons.  They are entitled to their defense...just not from me.   (note:  who was it that advocated for these groups right to demonstrate and protest? the ACLU):

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                              Oh I think you believe that the Nazis have a right to believe if they wish. I think players who hate white people or cops or whatever I've got a right to their depends whether or not I agree. I just asked you if you would be more or less likely to support and frequently shop at a business that you knew was owned or operated by neo-nazis? Regardless of their constitutional right to their beliefs. And I'm betting you wouldn't.

                              Nor would I for what it's worth. I would probably not frequent the Ku Klux Klan microbrewery.

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                                Oh I think you believe that the Nazis have a right to believe if they wish. I think players who hate white people or cops or whatever I've got a right to their depends whether or not I agree. I just asked you if you would be more or less likely to support and frequently shop at a business that you knew was owned or operated by neo-nazis? Regardless of their constitutional right to their beliefs. And I'm betting you wouldn't.

                                Nor would I for what it's worth. I would probably not frequent the Ku Klux Klan microbrewery.

                                WSS

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                                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                @westside-steve said:

                                Oh I think you believe that the Nazis have a right to believe if they wish. I think players who hate white people or cops or whatever I've got a right to their depends whether or not I agree. I just asked you if you would be more or less likely to support and frequently shop at a business that you knew was owned or operated by neo-nazis? Regardless of their constitutional right to their beliefs. And I'm betting you wouldn't.

                                Nor would I for what it's worth. I would probably not frequent the Ku Klux Klan microbrewery.

                                WSS

                                Like I said...it would depend on the nature of the product.  If it were innocuous, I may buy whatever.  But like in your case...if a KKK brewery were in town....and they advertised the fact that they were that, probably not. 

                                Have you ever had a business that you would not do business for some reason?

                                I heard of this instance of where a so called "Christian family" went into a restaurant, and instead of leaving the waitress a tip, they left her a nasty note about how they were against the fact that she was a lesbian.  It seemed like phony self righteous bullshit. They didn't refuse to eat the food or pay for the meal....they just lectured the waitress. First off...I don't know how they knew she was a lesbian...did she have "lesbian" stamped on her forehead? Did she mention it to them? Or did they just assume from her appearance that she was a lesbian?  More likely they just wanted an excuse to be cheap ass motherfuckers and not leave a tip. I mean, I am the kind of guy that even if a waiter was wearing his white robe and hood with KKK emblems on it, if he served me, I would still tip him.

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                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  Oh I think you believe that the Nazis have a right to believe if they wish. I think players who hate white people or cops or whatever I've got a right to their depends whether or not I agree. I just asked you if you would be more or less likely to support and frequently shop at a business that you knew was owned or operated by neo-nazis? Regardless of their constitutional right to their beliefs. And I'm betting you wouldn't.

                                  Nor would I for what it's worth. I would probably not frequent the Ku Klux Klan microbrewery.

                                  WSS

                                  Like I said...it would depend on the nature of the product.  If it were innocuous, I may buy whatever.  But like in your case...if a KKK brewery were in town....and they advertised the fact that they were that, probably not. 

                                  Have you ever had a business that you would not do business for some reason?

                                  I heard of this instance of where a so called "Christian family" went into a restaurant, and instead of leaving the waitress a tip, they left her a nasty note about how they were against the fact that she was a lesbian.  It seemed like phony self righteous bullshit. They didn't refuse to eat the food or pay for the meal....they just lectured the waitress. First off...I don't know how they knew she was a lesbian...did she have "lesbian" stamped on her forehead? Did she mention it to them? Or did they just assume from her appearance that she was a lesbian?  More likely they just wanted an excuse to be cheap ass motherfuckers and not leave a tip. I mean, I am the kind of guy that even if a waiter was wearing his white robe and hood with KKK emblems on it, if he served me, I would still tip him.

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  Like I said...it would depend on the nature of the product.  If it were innocuous, I may buy whatever.  But like in your case...if a KKK brewery were in town....and they advertised the fact that they were that, probably not. 

                                  I'll take a black and tan please.

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                                    @the-gipper said:

                                    Like I said...it would depend on the nature of the product.  If it were innocuous, I may buy whatever.  But like in your case...if a KKK brewery were in town....and they advertised the fact that they were that, probably not. 

                                    I'll take a black and tan please.

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                                    @ibleedbrown said:

                                    I'll take a black and tan please.

                                    The KKK brewery would consider that miscegenation and refuse to serve it to you!!😆

                                    And they would only serve "white" pizza.

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                                      Team came down to Earth this week.

                                      So now we need to support a bunch of overpaid, misinformed, disrespectful, Political Activist Athletes?

                                      Seriously?

                                      This Team isn't that good or interesting enough to put up with more Political BS, if I want that I'll just turn on the News.

                                      Got news for ya - I don't watch MSM anymore - they've shown their true colors, and now this.

                                      Too many sacrifices made by too many to enable these folks to even be where they are . . .

                                      Seems we didn't Draft the high Character Players everyone thought - really have to wonder why even waste my time with this anymore, it's certainly not as much as it used to be.

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                                      @jafbf said:

                                      Team came down to Earth this week.

                                      So now we need to support a bunch of overpaid, misinformed, disrespectful, Political Activist Athletes?

                                      Seriously?

                                      This Team isn't that good or interesting enough to put up with more Political BS, if I want that I'll just turn on the News.

                                      Got news for ya - I don't watch MSM anymore - they've shown their true colors, and now this.

                                      Too many sacrifices made by too many to enable these folks to even be where they are . . .

                                      Seems we didn't Draft the high Character Players everyone thought - really have to wonder why even waste my time with this anymore, it's certainly not as much as it used to be.

                                      No, you don't. If you feel strongly enough against what they did (which is supported by the Browns organization and coaches) then don't watch or watch another team. No one is strapping you into a fucking chair and feeding this to you. We won't miss you.

                                      You guys are some of the biggest whiners I've ever encountered. 

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                                        @ibleedbrown said:

                                        I'll take a black and tan please.

                                        The KKK brewery would consider that miscegenation and refuse to serve it to you!!😆

                                        And they would only serve "white" pizza.

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                                        tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                                        @the-gipper said:

                                        The KKK brewery would consider that miscegenation and refuse to serve it to you!!😆

                                        And they would only serve "white" pizza.

                                        Yeah but white pizza is fucking delicious. Even the most hardcore BLM mainliner would admit that.  

                                        ... and how I'm hungry. 

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                                          Team came down to Earth this week.

                                          So now we need to support a bunch of overpaid, misinformed, disrespectful, Political Activist Athletes?

                                          Seriously?

                                          This Team isn't that good or interesting enough to put up with more Political BS, if I want that I'll just turn on the News.

                                          Got news for ya - I don't watch MSM anymore - they've shown their true colors, and now this.

                                          Too many sacrifices made by too many to enable these folks to even be where they are . . .

                                          Seems we didn't Draft the high Character Players everyone thought - really have to wonder why even waste my time with this anymore, it's certainly not as much as it used to be.

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                                          @jafbf said:

                                          Too many sacrifices made by too many to enable these folks to even be where they are . . .

                                          Seems we didn't Draft the high Character Players everyone thought - really have to wonder why even waste my time with this anymore, it's certainly not as much as it used to be.

                                          Those sacrifices were made so people could retain their freedom and the right to express themselves when they are disappointed in their country.  You can have your fill of blind servitude and rah-rah-siss-boom-bah nationalist dogma in North Korea.  

                                          Kneeling during a theme song isn't disrespecting the troops, sending troops to fight and die for corporate profits is disrespect. A militarized police force murdering citizens at the drop of a hat is disrespectful to those who made the ultimate sacrifice for freedom.  Do you stand every time you watch the national anthem on tv? Or do you sit there with a beer in your hand?

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