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  • Maybe it's just me but we know good and well Columbus didn't discover America.  

    I never understood the devotion of a day and the statues to him?

  • Maybe it's just me but we know good and well Columbus didn't discover America.  

    I never understood the devotion of a day and the statues to him?

    @tiamat63 said:

    Maybe it's just me but we know good and well Columbus didn't discover America.  

    I never understood the devotion of a day and the statues to him?

    I dont care if he discovered america, the man was a level of evil far above any confederate general.

  • With the confederates one has to acknowledge that they were fighting for more than just slavery....the civil war is nuanced. Which is why i support an individual towns desire to do with a civil war statue dafuq they please. Keep it or get rid of it its none of our business. 

    Columbus tho was a sociopath who smashed babies over rocks of parents who refused to work in his gold mines. He sent 9 ye old giirls back to spain to be sex slaves. I could go on but a quick google of his atrocities is enough to question ur childhood

  • probably for the best - because all liberals know that al gore discovered America.............

  • Actually the vikings were the first Caucasians on n american soil. Butbthey werent christian so they didnt get credit

  • Of course the Vikings butchered raped and enslaved the people they conquered, the American Indians butchered raped and enslaved not only white captjves but members of other tribes. The Union Army committed unspeakable atrocities under the stewardship of Honest Abe Russian soldiers in World War II Turks Mongols Greeks Romans, the list really does go on forever. And at the end of the day to those of you who want to whitewash this history and remove it from the history books and the town squares all over the world, well I just think you're idiots. And I don't think you care. I think you just want to be assholes and piss somebody off.

    WSS

  • Columbus gathered up the jews being kicked out of Spain by the "catholics" in order to bring them to the new world 

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/columbus-sets-sail-judaic-treasures

    and many biblical scholars point to this as one of the reasons this nation was blessed by God  

    becoming a refuge for those who were mistreated....

  • With the confederates one has to acknowledge that they were fighting for more than just slavery....the civil war is nuanced. Which is why i support an individual towns desire to do with a civil war statue dafuq they please. Keep it or get rid of it its none of our business. 

    Columbus tho was a sociopath who smashed babies over rocks of parents who refused to work in his gold mines. He sent 9 ye old giirls back to spain to be sex slaves. I could go on but a quick google of his atrocities is enough to question ur childhood

    @clevfan4life said:

    blah blah blah

    but you are clearly an idiot

  • Columbus gathered up the jews being kicked out of Spain by the "catholics" in order to bring them to the new world 

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/columbus-sets-sail-judaic-treasures

    and many biblical scholars point to this as one of the reasons this nation was blessed by God  

    becoming a refuge for those who were mistreated....

    @fairhooker11 said:

    Columbus gathered up the jews being kicked out of Spain by the "catholics" in order to bring them to the new world 

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/columbus-sets-sail-judaic-treasures

    and many biblical scholars point to this as one of the reasons this nation was blessed by God  

    becoming a refuge for those who were mistreated....

    I know you are a Christian so I will post this to you knowing others will not understand. I have always believed the best way to be blessed is to treat Jewish people well and the bible says exactly that in Genesis 12:3. God says He will bless those who bless His people and on the other hand curse those who curse His people. The best way for our nation to be blessed is to support Israel. 

  • Of course the Vikings butchered raped and enslaved the people they conquered, the American Indians butchered raped and enslaved not only white captjves but members of other tribes. The Union Army committed unspeakable atrocities under the stewardship of Honest Abe Russian soldiers in World War II Turks Mongols Greeks Romans, the list really does go on forever. And at the end of the day to those of you who want to whitewash this history and remove it from the history books and the town squares all over the world, well I just think you're idiots. And I don't think you care. I think you just want to be assholes and piss somebody off.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Of course the Vikings butchered raped and enslaved the people they conquered, the American Indians butchered raped and enslaved not only white captjves but members of other tribes. The Union Army committed unspeakable atrocities under the stewardship of Honest Abe Russian soldiers in World War II Turks Mongols Greeks Romans, the list really does go on forever. And at the end of the day to those of you who want to whitewash this history and remove it from the history books and the town squares all over the world, well I just think you're idiots. And I don't think you care. I think you just want to be assholes and piss somebody off.

    WSS

    😆😆😆😆

    "Those were the days my friend
    We thought they'd never end
    We'd sing and dance forever and a day
    We'd live the life we choose
    We'd fight and never lose
    For we were young and sure to have our way."

    In South America Columbus' name is Colon, so technically he isn't an asshole, but relatively close😛

     
  • Of course the Vikings butchered raped and enslaved the people they conquered, the American Indians butchered raped and enslaved not only white captjves but members of other tribes. The Union Army committed unspeakable atrocities under the stewardship of Honest Abe Russian soldiers in World War II Turks Mongols Greeks Romans, the list really does go on forever. And at the end of the day to those of you who want to whitewash this history and remove it from the history books and the town squares all over the world, well I just think you're idiots. And I don't think you care. I think you just want to be assholes and piss somebody off.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Of course the Vikings butchered raped and enslaved the people they conquered, the American Indians butchered raped and enslaved not only white captjves but members of other tribes. The Union Army committed unspeakable atrocities under the stewardship of Honest Abe Russian soldiers in World War II Turks Mongols Greeks Romans, the list really does go on forever. And at the end of the day to those of you who want to whitewash this history and remove it from the history books and the town squares all over the world, well I just think you're idiots. And I don't think you care. I think you just want to be assholes and piss somebody off.

    WSS

    I'm curious as to what history of Columbus' has been whitewashed?  Again, he didn't discover America and he was insanely barbaric.       I'm focused on the singular topic here.  

  • @westside-steve said:

    Of course the Vikings butchered raped and enslaved the people they conquered, the American Indians butchered raped and enslaved not only white captjves but members of other tribes. The Union Army committed unspeakable atrocities under the stewardship of Honest Abe Russian soldiers in World War II Turks Mongols Greeks Romans, the list really does go on forever. And at the end of the day to those of you who want to whitewash this history and remove it from the history books and the town squares all over the world, well I just think you're idiots. And I don't think you care. I think you just want to be assholes and piss somebody off.

    WSS

    I'm curious as to what history of Columbus' has been whitewashed?  Again, he didn't discover America and he was insanely barbaric.       I'm focused on the singular topic here.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    I'm curious as to what history of Columbus' has been whitewashed?  Again, he didn't discover America and he was insanely barbaric.       I'm focused on the singular topic here.  

    Sure. Whitewashed means eliminating whatever little piece of History we had from the books so we can be completely politically correct. But keep in mind if the Vikings actually discovered America they have their own list of misdeeds which we must certainly Purge from the books correct? I suppose  it would be righteous to change the name of our state capital, correct? If not why? I'm just asking if any of these Union Generals or their leader who in effect ordered the butchery (or war crimes as we would call them had they not been Victorious) the Indians who were barbaric etc etc should have all their memorials removed? Maybe change the names of rivers cities and states named after the natives? Or just the ones that offend your own particular favorite voting blocs?

    WSS

  • I have no voting block.  Your misattempts to label as such are... Cal-esque.  Further you slip.  I even noticed you started picking up the 'knee jerk' phrase.  So I ask again because you pose questions not related to mine.   Why do we celebrate a man with literally no ties to the entirety of North America?    

    I'm also well aware of war crimes and autraucties committed from those on differing sides of war, conquest and defense.  I make no excuse for it but every known country in the world has been shaped by said conquest.   Columbus, whether for good or bad, has no historical impact on America.    

    As for renaming our capital - fair point.  I'm not certain how that could or would be handled.  However monuments honoring the man?    I don't care if they stand but I'm not going to complain if they fall either. 

  • Of course the Vikings butchered raped and enslaved the people they conquered, the American Indians butchered raped and enslaved not only white captjves but members of other tribes. The Union Army committed unspeakable atrocities under the stewardship of Honest Abe Russian soldiers in World War II Turks Mongols Greeks Romans, the list really does go on forever. And at the end of the day to those of you who want to whitewash this history and remove it from the history books and the town squares all over the world, well I just think you're idiots. And I don't think you care. I think you just want to be assholes and piss somebody off.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    the American Indians butchered raped and enslaved not only white captjves but members of other tribes. 

    Yes so savage, so savage Franklin wrote this....http://www.wampumchronicles.com/benfranklin.html

  • "During the wars with the Indians, many European settlers were taken prisoner and held within Indian tribes. After a while, they had plenty of chances to escape and return, and yet they did not. In fact, when they were “rescued,” they fled and hid from their rescuers."

    feeling less ignorant and uninformed steve?

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I'm curious as to what history of Columbus' has been whitewashed?  Again, he didn't discover America and he was insanely barbaric.       I'm focused on the singular topic here.  

    Sure. Whitewashed means eliminating whatever little piece of History we had from the books so we can be completely politically correct. But keep in mind if the Vikings actually discovered America they have their own list of misdeeds which we must certainly Purge from the books correct? I suppose  it would be righteous to change the name of our state capital, correct? If not why? I'm just asking if any of these Union Generals or their leader who in effect ordered the butchery (or war crimes as we would call them had they not been Victorious) the Indians who were barbaric etc etc should have all their memorials removed? Maybe change the names of rivers cities and states named after the natives? Or just the ones that offend your own particular favorite voting blocs?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Sure. Whitewashed means eliminating whatever little piece of History we had from the books so we can be completely politically correct. But keep in mind if the Vikings actually discovered America they have their own list of misdeeds which we must certainly Purge from the books correct? I suppose  it would be righteous to change the name of our state capital, correct? If not why? I'm just asking if any of these Union Generals or their leader who in effect ordered the butchery (or war crimes as we would call them had they not been Victorious) the Indians who were barbaric etc etc should have all their memorials removed? Maybe change the names of rivers cities and states named after the natives? Or just the ones that offend your own particular favorite voting blocs?

    WSS

    Hey dumbass nobody is eliminating anybody from any books, they're removing honorrific tributes to men who were demonstrable monsters. What does a man have to do to not get honored by smerican society? Cause chopping peoples hands off and butchering their children because they refused to mine gold for you, gets you a statue and a fucking holiday nsmed after you. God ur a real scumbag steve

  • @westside-steve said:

    the American Indians butchered raped and enslaved not only white captjves but members of other tribes. 

    Yes so savage, so savage Franklin wrote this....http://www.wampumchronicles.com/benfranklin.html

    @clevfan4life said:

    Yes so savage, so savage Franklin wrote this....http://www.wampumchronicles.com/benfranklin.html

    Franklin? Hilarious.

    WSS

    @tiamat63 said:

    I have no voting block.  Your misattempts to label as such are... Cal-esque.  Further you slip.  I even noticed you started picking up the 'knee jerk' phrase.  So I ask again because you pose questions not related to mine.   Why do we celebrate a man with literally no ties to the entirety of North America?    

    I'm also well aware of war crimes and autraucties committed from those on differing sides of war, conquest and defense.  I make no excuse for it but every known country in the world has been shaped by said conquest.   Columbus, whether for good or bad, has no historical impact on America.    

    As for renaming our capital - fair point.  I'm not certain how that could or would be handled.  However monuments honoring the man?    I don't care if they stand but I'm not going to complain if they fall either. 

    Just for the record do you think it makes you smarter to imitate Woody or Cleve? If not you might remember that the Cal references don't bother me one way or the other. Unfortunately with some of you guys the knee-jerk reference is perfectly correct.

    And again even though you think it might be tough to change the name of everything named after Columbus you'd probably be right. But unless I'm mistaken and you were just talking to hear yourself talk , don't you think that would be a positive goal?  Don't you think the United States would be a better place if we eliminated any town  named after Columbus ? Then again we probably need to change the name of everything named after anyone who did something you don't approve of. Which would of course include Lincoln Sherman and any Indian.

    And your particular voting Bloc would include, I guess, anybody who is now after all these years offended by any of these outrageous statues or mentions. And you would have course sneer at anyone not among your favorites. For instance if I started insisting that the Fighting Irish logo be gotten rid of or the Minnesota Viking because of my heritage? Why wouldn't that be valid? Because as you know it's stupid.

    WSS