Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp
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@shepwrite said:
By the way, he was #16 in average yards per kickoff and #17 in average yards per punt. I just don't think he's doing himself any good going for the money now instead of after this season.dude...you didn't hear?
he's our 2nd most important player.....
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superbowl
Cribbs takes the blame for not winning a SB? Not the team owner that is on his 5th HC in less than a decade?
Cribbs takes the blame for not winning a SB? Not the team owner that is on his 5th HC in less than a decade?
Come on Tupa, if he wants incentives i could see it through. If he wants to throw out the old contract then no way. Cribbs has been a bright spot for many fans, but this won't endeer him to many more. Realistically he is just a special teams player that the fans have alot of dreams for. I think the real riff is going to be the he said she said bs about a phone call that did or di not happen.
I would like him back but at this point i want people who want to play just to make up for the shitfest of last year, you go 4-12 and thinks its time to ask for more cash. Not good business and bad luck for JC
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A contract is as good as the paper it's written on.
Also, contracts are WRITTEN to prevent mis-understandings.
Right Zombo?
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@shepwrite said:
By the way, he was #16 in average yards per kickoff and #17 in average yards per punt.I think people in the league realize why his stats were down. The guy rushed back from a high ankle sprain and lost one of his best blockers to injury (Lennie Friedman). He was hobbled and didn't have as many holes to run through; anyone facing those conditions would see their stats decline.
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This is amazing to me. What does a player have to do to get any support from you guys?
This is amazing to me. What does a player have to do to get any support from you guys?
Honor his contract and work the proper way to get it redone, through his agent, not the media.
BTW, his agent today said he isn't looking for Hester money, but something in the ballpark. So much for a few incentives.
After I closed my golf shop and retired I signed a contract with the USGA as a tournament official for $250 per event and expenses. Six months later I found out that guys were put on full time and paid a salary that had less qualifications, I honored my contract. My duties also got expanded because I styarted doing equipment tests due to changes in the USGA rules.
I was like an UDA because I didn't come up through the USGA ranks. I talked to my boss and my boss's boss and they agreed to providing me with a 4 week advance schedule and a quarterly bonus for each qtr I worked 6 or more events.
Point is Cribbs signed a contract he thought fair and he wanted, with quaranteed money up front, not yearly roster bonuses. I believe it was a 4 year extension to his existing contract, not a new contract. He also was awarded a pro bowl bonus after 2007 even though it was not in his contract as was Anderson (how much, I don't recall). He gets a $25,000 bonus for attending OTAs and he does have some incentives built into this contract.
Bottom line is if he does it the right way, Lerner and the Browns have proven to be more then responsive to player's contract demands. This organization can never be accused of being tight with their money. But, like Winslow, you don't keep giving guys a new contract every other year, especially when they take the money up front and agree to lower yearly non guaranteed salaries. I agree the player's have a short window to make money, but the team also has a budget and a salary cap to consider. When a team pays a player up front money, they can't get it back if the player underperforms. So, when a player agrees to that he should ask for more money if he outperforms the rest of the contract.
Remember contracts in the NFL don't mean crap, it's only the guaranteed money that matters. You can't ask for quaranteed money up front and then say you aren't making comparable money in salary to someone else.
As much as I like Josh Cribbs, he needs to show them on the field that he deserves a new contract and I'm sure the Browns will do right by him. You just can't ask every other year and do the make me happy or I'll stay home BS.
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This is amazing to me. What does a player have to do to get any support from you guys?
Honor his contract and work the proper way to get it redone, through his agent, not the media.
BTW, his agent today said he isn't looking for Hester money, but something in the ballpark. So much for a few incentives.
After I closed my golf shop and retired I signed a contract with the USGA as a tournament official for $250 per event and expenses. Six months later I found out that guys were put on full time and paid a salary that had less qualifications, I honored my contract. My duties also got expanded because I styarted doing equipment tests due to changes in the USGA rules.
I was like an UDA because I didn't come up through the USGA ranks. I talked to my boss and my boss's boss and they agreed to providing me with a 4 week advance schedule and a quarterly bonus for each qtr I worked 6 or more events.
Point is Cribbs signed a contract he thought fair and he wanted, with quaranteed money up front, not yearly roster bonuses. I believe it was a 4 year extension to his existing contract, not a new contract. He also was awarded a pro bowl bonus after 2007 even though it was not in his contract as was Anderson (how much, I don't recall). He gets a $25,000 bonus for attending OTAs and he does have some incentives built into this contract.
Bottom line is if he does it the right way, Lerner and the Browns have proven to be more then responsive to player's contract demands. This organization can never be accused of being tight with their money. But, like Winslow, you don't keep giving guys a new contract every other year, especially when they take the money up front and agree to lower yearly non guaranteed salaries. I agree the player's have a short window to make money, but the team also has a budget and a salary cap to consider. When a team pays a player up front money, they can't get it back if the player underperforms. So, when a player agrees to that he should ask for more money if he outperforms the rest of the contract.
Remember contracts in the NFL don't mean crap, it's only the guaranteed money that matters. You can't ask for quaranteed money up front and then say you aren't making comparable money in salary to someone else.
As much as I like Josh Cribbs, he needs to show them on the field that he deserves a new contract and I'm sure the Browns will do right by him. You just can't ask every other year and do the make me happy or I'll stay home BS.
Honor his contract and work the proper way to get it redone, through his agent, not the media.
BTW, his agent today said he isn't looking for Hester money, but something in the ballpark. So much for a few incentives.
After I closed my golf shop and retired I signed a contract with the USGA as a tournament official for $250 per event and expenses. Six months later I found out that guys were put on full time and paid a salary that had less qualifications, I honored my contract. My duties also got expanded because I styarted doing equipment tests due to changes in the USGA rules.
I was like an UDA because I didn't come up through the USGA ranks. I talked to my boss and my boss's boss and they agreed to providing me with a 4 week advance schedule and a quarterly bonus for each qtr I worked 6 or more events.
Point is Cribbs signed a contract he thought fair and he wanted, with quaranteed money up front, not yearly roster bonuses. I believe it was a 4 year extension to his existing contract, not a new contract. He also was awarded a pro bowl bonus after 2007 even though it was not in his contract as was Anderson (how much, I don't recall). He gets a $25,000 bonus for attending OTAs and he does have some incentives built into this contract.
Bottom line is if he does it the right way, Lerner and the Browns have proven to be more then responsive to player's contract demands. This organization can never be accused of being tight with their money. But, like Winslow, you don't keep giving guys a new contract every other year, especially when they take the money up front and agree to lower yearly non guaranteed salaries. I agree the player's have a short window to make money, but the team also has a budget and a salary cap to consider. When a team pays a player up front money, they can't get it back if the player underperforms. So, when a player agrees to that he should ask for more money if he outperforms the rest of the contract.
Remember contracts in the NFL don't mean crap, it's only the guaranteed money that matters. You can't ask for quaranteed money up front and then say you aren't making comparable money in salary to someone else.
As much as I like Josh Cribbs, he needs to show them on the field that he deserves a new contract and I'm sure the Browns will do right by him. You just can't ask every other year and do the make me happy or I'll stay home BS.
So what if your boss had been fired and then at the end of your quarter the USGA said "Thanks for working 6 events, but I dont know what bonus you are talking about."
The up front guaranteed money argument again? So if he was just getting that $333,333 prorated into his base salary each year you would be okay with his stance? What is the right way, because it sounds from his end that he's been trying the "right way" for a couple of years, and that he was reassured that they were going to step up for him.
I listened to this same debate for the last year regarding Jason Peters. Based on my experience, neither side here on this board is going to budge. But I suppose the debate is still worth having - that's almost all we can do.
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After signing the NEW contract LAST YEAR, didn't he UNDER perform his contract? According to Aloysius, Cribbs was #16 in returns last year. I know injuries were sited but really. Crazy thought, after signing a NEW contract, OUTPERFORM it then ask.
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After signing the NEW contract LAST YEAR, didn't he UNDER perform his contract? According to Aloysius, Cribbs was #16 in returns last year. I know injuries were sited but really. Crazy thought, after signing a NEW contract, OUTPERFORM it then ask.
After signing the NEW contract LAST YEAR, didn't he UNDER perform his contract? According to Aloysius, Cribbs was #16 in returns last year. I know injuries were sited but really. Crazy thought, after signing a NEW contract, OUTPERFORM it then ask.
Even if you prorate the $2m bonus he got at the inception of the new deal, he would go over $1,000,000 in only one of the next four years (the last year of his deal). You don't even think he's worth a million a year? The guy is making $600-700K a season. He is a good football player with a bad contract.
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After signing the NEW contract LAST YEAR, didn't he UNDER perform his contract? According to Aloysius, Cribbs was #16 in returns last year. I know injuries were sited but really. Crazy thought, after signing a NEW contract, OUTPERFORM it then ask.
After signing the NEW contract LAST YEAR, didn't he UNDER perform his contract? According to Aloysius, Cribbs was #16 in returns last year. I know injuries were sited but really. Crazy thought, after signing a NEW contract, OUTPERFORM it then ask.
He signed the new deal before the 2007 season. Then, by yardage, had the best season of any returner in history (see bud's earlier link). That's exactly what youre asking for, so I assume youre on board now?
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After signing the NEW contract LAST YEAR, didn't he UNDER perform his contract? According to Aloysius, Cribbs was #16 in returns last year. I know injuries were sited but really. Crazy thought, after signing a NEW contract, OUTPERFORM it then ask.
Even if you prorate the $2m bonus he got at the inception of the new deal, he would go over $1,000,000 in only one of the next four years (the last year of his deal). You don't even think he's worth a million a year? The guy is making $600-700K a season. He is a good football player with a bad contract.
Even if you prorate the $2m bonus he got at the inception of the new deal, he would go over $1,000,000 in only one of the next four years (the last year of his deal). You don't even think he's worth a million a year? The guy is making $600-700K a season. He is a good football player with a bad contract.
He JUST signed the deal last year. I didn't hold a gun to his head. His stats went down after that.
Don't get me wrong...I LOVE THE GUY!
What was the point of signing the contract last year?? Just curious.
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Even if you prorate the $2m bonus he got at the inception of the new deal, he would go over $1,000,000 in only one of the next four years (the last year of his deal). You don't even think he's worth a million a year? The guy is making $600-700K a season. He is a good football player with a bad contract.
He JUST signed the deal last year. I didn't hold a gun to his head. His stats went down after that.
Don't get me wrong...I LOVE THE GUY!
What was the point of signing the contract last year?? Just curious.
He JUST signed the deal last year. I didn't hold a gun to his head. His stats went down after that.
Don't get me wrong...I LOVE THE GUY!
What was the point of signing the contract last year?? Just curious.
was last year 2006?
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He JUST signed the deal last year. I didn't hold a gun to his head. His stats went down after that.
Don't get me wrong...I LOVE THE GUY!
What was the point of signing the contract last year?? Just curious.
was last year 2006?
was last year 2006?
November of 2006...I stand corrected on the date.
Still the WRONG time to do this.
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from PFT:
The bigger problem here is that Cribbs’ previous representative negotiated a long-term deal before Cribbs became one of the best kick returners in the game. And so the player is now stuck with base salaries of $620,000, $635,000, $650,000, and $790,000 over the next four seasons.
One source called the contract “criminally negligent.” Regardless of the label that’s applied, this isn’t a case of a good deal being overcome by contracts paid to other players. Given the base salaries, the deal wasn’t a good one to begin with, providing base salaries that never cross into seven figures.
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from the Rogers/Cribbs thread:
'It wasn't us who did that deal and George Kokinis didn't do that deal,'' Rickert said of the new Browns' general manager. ''What a great opportunity to correct a bad situation.''
Rickert said Cribbs isn't looking for Devin Hester money. Hester, the Chicago Bears' Pro Bowl returner who tried to expand his role as a receiver in 2008, signed a four-year, $30 million contract extension with $15 million guaranteed last July.
''No, not at all,'' Rickert said of Hester's deal. ''We're not even saying, 'Do a new deal.' We're saying, 'Start the process with us.' ''
While playing on every special teams unit, Cribbs also sees action at receiver and may get time in the defensive backfield.
''We're just looking for market value for what he does,'' Rickert said.
Can we stop bashing him for wanting Hester's contract now?
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from the Rogers/Cribbs thread:
'It wasn't us who did that deal and George Kokinis didn't do that deal,'' Rickert said of the new Browns' general manager. ''What a great opportunity to correct a bad situation.''
Rickert said Cribbs isn't looking for Devin Hester money. Hester, the Chicago Bears' Pro Bowl returner who tried to expand his role as a receiver in 2008, signed a four-year, $30 million contract extension with $15 million guaranteed last July.
''No, not at all,'' Rickert said of Hester's deal. ''We're not even saying, 'Do a new deal.' We're saying, 'Start the process with us.' ''
While playing on every special teams unit, Cribbs also sees action at receiver and may get time in the defensive backfield.
''We're just looking for market value for what he does,'' Rickert said.
Can we stop bashing him for wanting Hester's contract now?
from the Rogers/Cribbs thread:
Can we stop bashing him for wanting Hester's contract now?
yes, but we are no longer just asking for incentives
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from the Rogers/Cribbs thread:
Can we stop bashing him for wanting Hester's contract now?
yes, but we are no longer just asking for incentives
yes, but we are no longer just asking for incentives
maybe not. it's difficult to tell. and taylor's report wasnt that cribbs was asking for just incentives, but that he would agree to take that. I havent seen anything (other than Cabot's clearly erroneous comment) that contradicts that. Either way, all he's asking for is that they act in good faith on guarantees we know for sure he received from Savage and that he might have gotten from Lerner himself. That sounds reasonable to me.
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I do support him Tom. I don't have a problem if we give him more money. I also don't have a problem if the browns say they can't do it anytime soon.
The team was talking an expanded role....possibly on D.
Right now is a pretty important time for him in my opinion. A time for him to shine and really show he is worth more cash.
By sitting out, is becomes a Northcutt of sorts.
The kid is blowing it.
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Honor his contract and work the proper way to get it redone, through his agent, not the media.
BTW, his agent today said he isn't looking for Hester money, but something in the ballpark. So much for a few incentives.
After I closed my golf shop and retired I signed a contract with the USGA as a tournament official for $250 per event and expenses. Six months later I found out that guys were put on full time and paid a salary that had less qualifications, I honored my contract. My duties also got expanded because I styarted doing equipment tests due to changes in the USGA rules.
I was like an UDA because I didn't come up through the USGA ranks. I talked to my boss and my boss's boss and they agreed to providing me with a 4 week advance schedule and a quarterly bonus for each qtr I worked 6 or more events.
Point is Cribbs signed a contract he thought fair and he wanted, with quaranteed money up front, not yearly roster bonuses. I believe it was a 4 year extension to his existing contract, not a new contract. He also was awarded a pro bowl bonus after 2007 even though it was not in his contract as was Anderson (how much, I don't recall). He gets a $25,000 bonus for attending OTAs and he does have some incentives built into this contract.
Bottom line is if he does it the right way, Lerner and the Browns have proven to be more then responsive to player's contract demands. This organization can never be accused of being tight with their money. But, like Winslow, you don't keep giving guys a new contract every other year, especially when they take the money up front and agree to lower yearly non guaranteed salaries. I agree the player's have a short window to make money, but the team also has a budget and a salary cap to consider. When a team pays a player up front money, they can't get it back if the player underperforms. So, when a player agrees to that he should ask for more money if he outperforms the rest of the contract.
Remember contracts in the NFL don't mean crap, it's only the guaranteed money that matters. You can't ask for quaranteed money up front and then say you aren't making comparable money in salary to someone else.
As much as I like Josh Cribbs, he needs to show them on the field that he deserves a new contract and I'm sure the Browns will do right by him. You just can't ask every other year and do the make me happy or I'll stay home BS.
So what if your boss had been fired and then at the end of your quarter the USGA said "Thanks for working 6 events, but I dont know what bonus you are talking about."
The up front guaranteed money argument again? So if he was just getting that $333,333 prorated into his base salary each year you would be okay with his stance? What is the right way, because it sounds from his end that he's been trying the "right way" for a couple of years, and that he was reassured that they were going to step up for him.
I listened to this same debate for the last year regarding Jason Peters. Based on my experience, neither side here on this board is going to budge. But I suppose the debate is still worth having - that's almost all we can do.
So what if your boss had been fired and then at the end of your quarter the USGA said "Thanks for working 6 events, but I dont know what bonus you are talking about."
The up front guaranteed money argument again? So if he was just getting that $333,333 prorated into his base salary each year you would be okay with his stance? What is the right way, because it sounds from his end that he's been trying the "right way" for a couple of years, and that he was reassured that they were going to step up for him.
I listened to this same debate for the last year regarding Jason Peters. Based on my experience, neither side here on this board is going to budge. But I suppose the debate is still worth having - that's almost all we can do.
The difference is my boss didn't pay me $$$$ up front without even knowing if I was worth it or would deliver on it. Cribbs was a guy in 2006 that was just a kick returner and #4 or #5 receiver making the NFL minimum and he didn't finish out his rookie contract because the organization wanted to do right by him. He got $2 million up front guaranteed and 4 years added to his current contract. He wanted family security, in case of injury and took the money up front, which everybody knows would lower the yearly salary but he still had the money in case he got injured. That was his decision.
If they do a new contract now, it is like he got an additional $1 million each year because he signed the new contract in 2006.
Know, if his agent says he just wants to open lines of communications and start the process, then the Browns should listen and work out a deal to be effective after this season. If the Browns hold him hostage to the entire contract, then shame on them, but I really don't think that will be the case because Lerner has never done business that way. Reference what he did for Winslow, Bentley and others.
One thing people have to remember is that this isn't a situation unique to the Browns. It happens all over the league and these things get worked out. It is the business part of football. Cribbs will play and he will get some contract adjustments. Maybe not all he wants, but the team will take care of him like many other teams will do to players they have who feel they outplayed their contracts.
This is a common thing with UDFAs because they are playing for the NFL minimum, but this isn't Cribb's rookie contract, it has been adjusted once already.
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You guys babble too much. He's proved his worth, he's our best player on the team. He gives everything he has on the field. Pay him the bills
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