Haden ....RELEASED
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Look Poetic, we liked Haden. We did. But it's time to move on.
Right from the start, from his Combine, he was not as fast as he was expected to be.
Again, right from the start with us, receivers got behind him quite often....he was notorious for grabbing the receiver's shirt on their way by him and pulling himself up to them. Sometimes he got called for it, sometimes not.
He USED TO BE our best corner. But he was never great.
Apparently Williams did not like what he's been seeing out of him.
Loyalty is not what it used to be. Look what Pryor did to us. The loyalty is to the fans. To put the best team together that they can. They did him a favor by cutting him now before the final roster cuts.
I, for one, am not shocked by this.
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Haden hasn't had many injuries to his legs. He had a concussion 2 years ago in a time when they were really being strict on the concussions. Haden wanted to play and they wouldn't let him. And the groins were a freak accident. Haden's never pulled a groin before. He's been pretty healthy for us otherwise.
The point is where do you draw the line? Who is going to want to play here if they cut Joe Haden. Not everybody is as dim witted as the people on here are. Joe is a baller and the best we had. Now we have a suspect secondary so the Dline will NEVER get home now because the WR will always be open. Watch.
Haden hasn't had many injuries to his legs. He had a concussion 2 years ago in a time when they were really being strict on the concussions. Haden wanted to play and they wouldn't let him. And the groins were a freak accident. Haden's never pulled a groin before. He's been pretty healthy for us otherwise.
The point is where do you draw the line? Who is going to want to play here if they cut Joe Haden. Not everybody is as dim witted as the people on here are. Joe is a baller and the best we had. Now we have a suspect secondary so the Dline will NEVER get home now because the WR will always be open. Watch.
Um Bill Belichick pretty much gifted us a stud linebacker in his prime- because he didn't want to overpay him- you know that right? Then they proceeded to win the Super Bowl.
Joe had a couple surgeries to repair groin tears PO- you don't have surgery unless it's something major that's not going to heal on it's own. There's plenty of stuff out there PO that Joe is a shadow of his former self, but don't let that get in the way of a good rant\ cry session.
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Haden hasn't had many injuries to his legs. He had a concussion 2 years ago in a time when they were really being strict on the concussions. Haden wanted to play and they wouldn't let him. And the groins were a freak accident. Haden's never pulled a groin before. He's been pretty healthy for us otherwise.
The point is where do you draw the line? Who is going to want to play here if they cut Joe Haden. Not everybody is as dim witted as the people on here are. Joe is a baller and the best we had. Now we have a suspect secondary so the Dline will NEVER get home now because the WR will always be open. Watch.
Um Bill Belichick pretty much gifted us a stud linebacker in his prime- because he didn't want to overpay him- you know that right? Then they proceeded to win the Super Bowl.
Joe had a couple surgeries to repair groin tears PO- you don't have surgery unless it's something major that's not going to heal on it's own. There's plenty of stuff out there PO that Joe is a shadow of his former self, but don't let that get in the way of a good rant\ cry session.
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Haden was borderline elite early in his career, not just "decent". Don't change history in an attempt to make your argument now look better
Then on the flip side we have people talking up Haden an getting real emotional
What a mess
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No sympathy for Haden. He's the oldest 29 year old on the planet. He used to be a shutdown corner, now he's not due to injuries.
Yes, it's just business --- and that goes both ways. He knew he hadn't earned his contract since he signed it.
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apparently, Haden could have stayed with the Browns, but refused, via his agent, to take a pay cut. Is that right?
Then, Thanks for the memories earlier in your Career, Haden, good luck to you unless you play the Browns.
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Nice
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We did this same shit when dq left and showed he had plenty left in the tank when he went to indy. If ur nearing the end of ur career and arent really a lockerroom leader nor care to bring up the new guys, than fine. But cutting team leaders the likes of which the steelers retain to teach continuity us why the browns are where they are and the steelers are in the playoffs every other year or so.
equating cutting haden with gilbert is a puzzler....one knows his position inside and out and is a possible hof'er while the other is an utter 1st round bust who will struggle to make cfl roster
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How did cutting dq work out for us? We got karlos dansby......and what legacy did he leave the browns? Nothing, he was here for a last paycheck. There was talk of dq immediately going to staff upon retirement.....doubt he'll ever come here under any capacity
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How did cutting dq work out for us? We got karlos dansby......and what legacy did he leave the browns? Nothing, he was here for a last paycheck. There was talk of dq immediately going to staff upon retirement.....doubt he'll ever come here under any capacity
How did cutting dq work out for us? We got karlos dansby......and what legacy did he leave the browns? Nothing, he was here for a last paycheck. There was talk of dq immediately going to staff upon retirement.....doubt he'll ever come here under any capacity
simply put, every damn action has helped jimmy save money, and what have we done with that money? Aside from Collins what big names have we picked up?
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We did this same shit when dq left and showed he had plenty left in the tank when he went to indy. If ur nearing the end of ur career and arent really a lockerroom leader nor care to bring up the new guys, than fine. But cutting team leaders the likes of which the steelers retain to teach continuity us why the browns are where they are and the steelers are in the playoffs every other year or so.
equating cutting haden with gilbert is a puzzler....one knows his position inside and out and is a possible hof'er while the other is an utter 1st round bust who will struggle to make cfl roster
We did this same shit when dq left and showed he had plenty left in the tank when he went to indy. If ur nearing the end of ur career and arent really a lockerroom leader nor care to bring up the new guys, than fine. But cutting team leaders the likes of which the steelers retain to teach continuity us why the browns are where they are and the steelers are in the playoffs every other year or so.
equating cutting haden with gilbert is a puzzler....one knows his position inside and out and is a possible hof'er while the other is an utter 1st round bust who will struggle to make cfl roster
Again, Jackson was sent packing by a previous FO.
Joe a possible HOFer? Get real. He needs about 4 more Pro Bowls and All-League selections to even be in the discussion. The general suckitude of the Browns since 1999 is coloring your judgement IMHO. He's around 1\2 the player Clay Matthews was, and Clay is still waiting....
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How did cutting dq work out for us? We got karlos dansby......and what legacy did he leave the browns? Nothing, he was here for a last paycheck. There was talk of dq immediately going to staff upon retirement.....doubt he'll ever come here under any capacity
simply put, every damn action has helped jimmy save money, and what have we done with that money? Aside from Collins what big names have we picked up?
simply put, every damn action has helped jimmy save money, and what have we done with that money? Aside from Collins what big names have we picked up?
RRRRRIIIIGGGGHHHHTTT>>>>>>>> Jimmy is so into saving cash he dumped how many millions of his own money into stadium improvements (that he didn't have to, could have hit Cleveland up with the bill). As a businessman, he knows more wins = more money. You want to talk cheap, I give you that skinflint on the other side of the state Mike Brown. He's the only cold weather owner that won't put up the cash for an indoor practice facility.
I get it (sort of). Doesn't make me happy though. Now is not the time to spend right up to the cap limit to win a few extra games. The Browns still have too many holes in too many places to even be thought about as a serious playoff contender. Last year was a complete tear down. This year and last is\was build the foundation. Next year is put the house on top of it. Probably 2019 is when we blow the cap on attracting the top FAs. That doesn't always work. Miami gave Suh how many millions, and it got them exactly where? If you say not to the Super Bowl, go to the head of the class.
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Joe Haden has recovered from his injuries that caused his "diminished skills". This makes me SICK!
FUCKING GOD DAMNIT!
FUCK THIS BULLSHIT- BEAN COUNTING FO- SMH!- IT'S LOOKING TO BE WORSE THAN JOE FUCKING BANNER'S BEAN COUNTING ASS!!!!
I can't even think straight, I'm just seeing RED!!!!
Loyalty might not mean JACK SHIT to these smarty pants, but check this out- you guys up there in that FO just paid 16 MILLION mother fucking dollars for a second round draft pick. And if you think that Haden is not going to make the Browns pay for their DIS-LOYALTY... you are some truly dumb motherfuckers.
Joe Haden has recovered from his injuries that caused his "diminished skills". This makes me SICK!
FUCKING GOD DAMNIT!
FUCK THIS BULLSHIT- BEAN COUNTING FO- SMH!- IT'S LOOKING TO BE WORSE THAN JOE FUCKING BANNER'S BEAN COUNTING ASS!!!!
I can't even think straight, I'm just seeing RED!!!!
Loyalty might not mean JACK SHIT to these smarty pants, but check this out- you guys up there in that FO just paid 16 MILLION mother fucking dollars for a second round draft pick. And if you think that Haden is not going to make the Browns pay for their DIS-LOYALTY... you are some truly dumb motherfuckers.
May have recovered from the injuries, but the skills are no less diminished.
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We did this same shit when dq left and showed he had plenty left in the tank when he went to indy. If ur nearing the end of ur career and arent really a lockerroom leader nor care to bring up the new guys, than fine. But cutting team leaders the likes of which the steelers retain to teach continuity us why the browns are where they are and the steelers are in the playoffs every other year or so.
equating cutting haden with gilbert is a puzzler....one knows his position inside and out and is a possible hof'er while the other is an utter 1st round bust who will struggle to make cfl roster
We did this same shit when dq left and showed he had plenty left in the tank when he went to indy. If ur nearing the end of ur career and arent really a lockerroom leader nor care to bring up the new guys, than fine. But cutting team leaders the likes of which the steelers retain to teach continuity us why the browns are where they are and the steelers are in the playoffs every other year or so.
equating cutting haden with gilbert is a puzzler....one knows his position inside and out and is a possible hof'er while the other is an utter 1st round bust who will struggle to make cfl roster
Possible HOFer? I think you may be exaggerating a bit.
Joe was asked to adjust a bloated contract to stay as a 3rd or 4th string guy. He said no and took the exact same amount of money from the Steelers. Haden has been stealing money the last few years.
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Haden signed his big contract and immediately tanked. This isn't unexpected - if anything I'm surprised Sashi let it ride last season. Speaking of loyalty to Cleveland.. he wouldn't take the same contract from Cleveland that he accepted from Pit.. that's the definition of a LACK of loyalty.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Haden was getting smoked off the line in Tampa, its why I came to the conclusion he was getting cut when the trade rumors came out.
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How did cutting dq work out for us? We got karlos dansby......and what legacy did he leave the browns? Nothing, he was here for a last paycheck. There was talk of dq immediately going to staff upon retirement.....doubt he'll ever come here under any capacity
simply put, every damn action has helped jimmy save money, and what have we done with that money? Aside from Collins what big names have we picked up?
simply put, every damn action has helped jimmy save money, and what have we done with that money? Aside from Collins what big names have we picked up?
So that's why he spent $16 Million to buy a Second Round pick (Brock O) ?
This is more a future Cap space deal (God only knows why) and a skill per $ issue than anything else.
I liked Joe, and I'm not saying I like everything going on with this Franchise, but this just a Business decision more than anything else.
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Haden signed his big contract and immediately tanked. This isn't unexpected - if anything I'm surprised Sashi let it ride last season. Speaking of loyalty to Cleveland.. he wouldn't take the same contract from Cleveland that he accepted from Pit.. that's the definition of a LACK of loyalty.
Haden signed his big contract and immediately tanked. This isn't unexpected - if anything I'm surprised Sashi let it ride last season. Speaking of loyalty to Cleveland.. he wouldn't take the same contract from Cleveland that he accepted from Pit.. that's the definition of a LACK of loyalty.
True, we offered him $7 Million restructured deal, and he signed a three year $7 Million deal (first year) with the Steelers.
There's more to it than that though . . . by going to the Steelers for the same money, he also gets to keep $4 Million from the Browns deal (Guaranteed or Contract structure).
So actually it's for a Net of $4 Million more than he would have gotten here.
From the Browns side, with Joe signing elsewhere, they're also off the hook for some $ . . . not sure how much it is, but it's not all a one sided deal.
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Haden signed his big contract and immediately tanked. This isn't unexpected - if anything I'm surprised Sashi let it ride last season. Speaking of loyalty to Cleveland.. he wouldn't take the same contract from Cleveland that he accepted from Pit.. that's the definition of a LACK of loyalty.
True, we offered him $7 Million restructured deal, and he signed a three year $7 Million deal (first year) with the Steelers.
There's more to it than that though . . . by going to the Steelers for the same money, he also gets to keep $4 Million from the Browns deal (Guaranteed or Contract structure).
So actually it's for a Net of $4 Million more than he would have gotten here.
From the Browns side, with Joe signing elsewhere, they're also off the hook for some $ . . . not sure how much it is, but it's not all a one sided deal.
There's more to it than that though . . . by going to the Steelers for the same money, he also gets to keep $4 Million from the Browns deal (Guaranteed or Contract structure).
So actually it's for a Net of $4 Million more than he would have gotten here.
The Browns now owe Haden nothing. The guaranteed money was offset by the deal with Pittsburgh.
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/08/joe_haden_agrees_to_terms_with.html
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