Haden a Steeler
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some of your are getting so emotional
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The Browns depth chart still shows Joe Haden as the #1 CB for tomorrows game vs. Chicago... and still pushing his #23 Jerseys on their website.
Pretty stupid time to start being nit-picky asking you're best CB to take a pay cut then outright cutting him and handing him to a team rival a week before the season starts.
This will be the fuck up that started the fall of "Big Dick" Sashi Brown.
The Browns depth chart still shows Joe Haden as the #1 CB for tomorrows game vs. Chicago... and still pushing his #23 Jerseys on their website.
Pretty stupid time to start being nit-picky asking you're best CB to take a pay cut then outright cutting him and handing him to a team rival a week before the season starts.
This will be the fuck up that started the fall of "Big Dick" Sashi Brown.
Hey, just wait PG- I'm sure you'll be able to get a Joe jersey 90% off in a week or so....
Get it through your head- it was a mutual agreement. Sashi knows what the market is- and proved it with Pryor. You don't win Super Bowls by being sentimental. Was Joe a fan favorite? Sure. Personally liked him a lot. If as Boo has said- Williams wanted no part of Haden- and Greg's shit contains more football knowledge than the majority of us possess, should tell you all you need to know.
The sun is going to come up in the morning Po- it's not the end of the world, or the Browns.
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This money-ball move is hard to comprehend. It's not like money is the issue because we have a lot of cap-space. Maybe Haden isn't worth $11M but he was a veteran leader, arguably our top corner, and all teams have contracts that they wished they didn't sign. We're willing to pay $13M for a future second round draft pick but not $11M for a veteran leader and contributor on a team lacking in secondary talent. That argument is spurious.
Tale-of-the-Tape: Browns save $7M (I heard we owe him $4 anyway). Browns lose a starting corner reducing the talent there to only 3 people. Steelers gain a corner to add to their depth at the position and make their team better.
Hmmmm. I say this decision sucks lemons and backfired. They say he was having a great camp. I don't know about that ... maybe the Browns thought the exact opposite. That must be considered in this decision.
But Shasi, for the love of God, when are you going to field a winning team like your job is on the line? Because no GM that is feeling that pressure makes this move over $7M. All teams get draft choices, and gain/lose free agents. But few of them (other than those with cap issues) make a move to reduce talent to save more money.
Where am I wrong?
This money-ball move is hard to comprehend. It's not like money is the issue because we have a lot of cap-space. Maybe Haden isn't worth $11M but he was a veteran leader, arguably our top corner, and all teams have contracts that they wished they didn't sign. We're willing to pay $13M for a future second round draft pick but not $11M for a veteran leader and contributor on a team lacking in secondary talent. That argument is spurious.
Tale-of-the-Tape: Browns save $7M (I heard we owe him $4 anyway). Browns lose a starting corner reducing the talent there to only 3 people. Steelers gain a corner to add to their depth at the position and make their team better.
Hmmmm. I say this decision sucks lemons and backfired. They say he was having a great camp. I don't know about that ... maybe the Browns thought the exact opposite. That must be considered in this decision.
But Shasi, for the love of God, when are you going to field a winning team like your job is on the line? Because no GM that is feeling that pressure makes this move over $7M. All teams get draft choices, and gain/lose free agents. But few of them (other than those with cap issues) make a move to reduce talent to save more money.
Where am I wrong?
Your argument is solid. Joe is a leader, and people looked upto him. Getting rid of him is a downgrade, and it's not like Sashi and Jimmy are going to sign anyone else except someone that would cost Jimmy peanuts. I see it as our secondary getting worse. Steelers never got rid of Polamalu or James Harrison to save money.
We paid for Osweiler and that pick, which are apparently more important than Joe.
Not only that, but last year we cut people we didn't have a replacement for and got worse in certain positions.
I wonder what Mudfly thinks about this....
Can someone logically argue that Sashi is making us better and not only saving Jimmy money?
I guess it doesn't matter, since the owner doesn't seem to give a rats tail if we win as long as he's selling tickets, merch, and making money.
And how long is this moneyball "plan"?
10 years?
Maybe football guys know football and harvard guys know business, but business knowledge doesn't always equal football knowledge, and to blindly praise Sashi for everything he does is a mistake.
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My real theory: Haden sucks.
My conspiracy theory: Sashi sees this could be a pretty good team in 2017 but wants one more year of high picks and thinks this might be a way to get it.
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Players get hurt! That is the game of FOOTBALL! I'm sorry if these anal antic faggots don't understand the game, since they've never played it in their life. Players are gonna get hurt and it's gonna take some time to get back into playing the way they did before the injury. I guess we're unwilling to wait then?
Well, if that is the approach then check this. Sashi, you fucking bitch, you have one year to produce. You shit the bed last year. You shit the bed again and you're fucking GONE too period.
If you are unwilling to hold you're goddamn dick in your pants, then so are we. Produce NOW or get the fuck on.
You don't fuck with loyalty in Brownstown. You make me fucking sick.
Players get hurt! That is the game of FOOTBALL! I'm sorry if these anal antic faggots don't understand the game, since they've never played it in their life. Players are gonna get hurt and it's gonna take some time to get back into playing the way they did before the injury. I guess we're unwilling to wait then?
Well, if that is the approach then check this. Sashi, you fucking bitch, you have one year to produce. You shit the bed last year. You shit the bed again and you're fucking GONE too period.
If you are unwilling to hold you're goddamn dick in your pants, then so are we. Produce NOW or get the fuck on.
You don't fuck with loyalty in Brownstown. You make me fucking sick.
Ghoolie is right we have some stupid fans. It's a business.
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Odds were against him completing the season healthy. Got to go with most recent history, but hard to believe we could not even get a conditional out of him. But that tells me 31 other teams see him as too risky to trade for. I wonder if Sushi knows something about Wilson's return that we don't know.
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Reminds me of another fan favorite that was let go because of "diminishing skills".
Whether or not Joe is on the downside is not important right now.
What is important is that his acquisition just made the Steelers a better team. Joe on crutches is better than anything they have.
What may also be disturbing to some is that Haden wanted to be a Steeler. Reports of him turning down bigger offers.
He, his father and family excited to be a part of Steeler Nation.
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Reminds me of another fan favorite that was let go because of "diminishing skills".
Whether or not Joe is on the downside is not important right now.
What is important is that his acquisition just made the Steelers a better team. Joe on crutches is better than anything they have.
What may also be disturbing to some is that Haden wanted to be a Steeler. Reports of him turning down bigger offers.
He, his father and family excited to be a part of Steeler Nation.
Reminds me of another fan favorite that was let go because of "diminishing skills".
Whether or not Joe is on the downside is not important right now.
What is important is that his acquisition just made the Steelers a better team. Joe on crutches is better than anything they have.
What may also be disturbing to some is that Haden wanted to be a Steeler. Reports of him turning down bigger offers.
He, his father and family excited to be a part of Steeler Nation.
Who wouldn't want to be apart of a winning team. Obviously rivalry meant nothing to him. It does to some players like deangelo williams. But it's a business. Fuck it.
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Reminds me of another fan favorite that was let go because of "diminishing skills".Whether or not Joe is on the downside is not important right now. What is important is that his acquisition just made the Steelers a better team. Joe on crutches is better than anything they have.
What may also be disturbing to some is that Haden wanted to be a Steeler. Reports of him turning down bigger offers.He, his father and family excited to be a part of Steeler Fakin. Stinkie
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it shouldn't. Kosar was let go after changing buttichek's play and KOSAR's play went for a TD. A throw.
So, unless you think Haden changed Hue's play, it shouldn't have reminded you of anything of the sort.
And, blaming Sashi is foolish. You can bet he didn't make this move alone - and you can bet
Gregg initiated it. Haden hadn't been the earlier Joe Haden for a few years - and McCourty has
been making plays all over the field. Poor Joe lost his burst. The upside is, the squealers desperately
wanted him when he was cut. Back in the day, nearly nobody desperately wanted any Browns player that was cut.
Things are really looking up. LOL BTW, the joke in on the squealers - the first time they tell Joe to
deliberately take out an opposing qb's knee, he will tell them to shove it.
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Skills diminish, anyone know where Minnifield and Dixon are playing theses days?
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This money-ball move is hard to comprehend. It's not like money is the issue because we have a lot of cap-space. Maybe Haden isn't worth $11M but he was a veteran leader, arguably our top corner, and all teams have contracts that they wished they didn't sign. We're willing to pay $13M for a future second round draft pick but not $11M for a veteran leader and contributor on a team lacking in secondary talent. That argument is spurious.
Tale-of-the-Tape: Browns save $7M (I heard we owe him $4 anyway). Browns lose a starting corner reducing the talent there to only 3 people. Steelers gain a corner to add to their depth at the position and make their team better.
Hmmmm. I say this decision sucks lemons and backfired. They say he was having a great camp. I don't know about that ... maybe the Browns thought the exact opposite. That must be considered in this decision.
But Shasi, for the love of God, when are you going to field a winning team like your job is on the line? Because no GM that is feeling that pressure makes this move over $7M. All teams get draft choices, and gain/lose free agents. But few of them (other than those with cap issues) make a move to reduce talent to save more money.
Where am I wrong?
Where am I wrong?
Don't get me wrong, I love Haden and his name is on the only Browns jersey I own, but you are wrong about him being arguably our best corner. He USED to be undisputedly our best corner. Performance wise, he's been outplayed by Jamar Taylor, BBC last year, and also by McCourty this preseason.
He earns a big contract and proceeds to be terrible. I don't blame it on the contract, but the injuries. You'll recall, however, that he wasn't willing to tough it out on some of those injuries, where I'm sure the expectation, after getting such a big contract, was to tough it out. Gregg Williams put him on notice about this when he came in.
Hate on the FO all you want, they are doing the right thing to build a sustainable, winning team. It wasn't long ago we were all praising their draft which has yielded promising young starters out of the first three of our four picks and has transformed our offensive line from one terrible to potentially one of the best in the league. You all need to see the forest and stop fixating on the trees.
You are also wrong about Sashi's job being on the line, and I'm thankful that Jimmy came to his senses and disposed of this nonsensical itchy-trigger-finger thinking that permeates the Brown's fanbase. Sashi's job is secure. It's secure because you don't fix 17 years of sucking in two years. Haslam finally gets that. Sashi is going to be given the chance to see his plan to completion, and when it's done I guarantee you we'll have a winning football team.
Read my signature text and either get on board the roller coaster or head on over to the kiddie rides.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Message to team from Gregg Williams: You are in this 100% or you are out the door regardless of your past accomplishments.
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Where am I wrong?
Don't get me wrong, I love Haden and his name is on the only Browns jersey I own, but you are wrong about him being arguably our best corner. He USED to be undisputedly our best corner. Performance wise, he's been outplayed by Jamar Taylor, BBC last year, and also by McCourty this preseason.
He earns a big contract and proceeds to be terrible. I don't blame it on the contract, but the injuries. You'll recall, however, that he wasn't willing to tough it out on some of those injuries, where I'm sure the expectation, after getting such a big contract, was to tough it out. Gregg Williams put him on notice about this when he came in.
Hate on the FO all you want, they are doing the right thing to build a sustainable, winning team. It wasn't long ago we were all praising their draft which has yielded promising young starters out of the first three of our four picks and has transformed our offensive line from one terrible to potentially one of the best in the league. You all need to see the forest and stop fixating on the trees.
You are also wrong about Sashi's job being on the line, and I'm thankful that Jimmy came to his senses and disposed of this nonsensical itchy-trigger-finger thinking that permeates the Brown's fanbase. Sashi's job is secure. It's secure because you don't fix 17 years of sucking in two years. Haslam finally gets that. Sashi is going to be given the chance to see his plan to completion, and when it's done I guarantee you we'll have a winning football team.
Read my signature text and either get on board the roller coaster or head on over to the kiddie rides.
Don't get me wrong, I love Haden and his name is on the only Browns jersey I own, but you are wrong about him being arguably our best corner. He USED to be undisputedly our best corner. Performance wise, he's been outplayed by Jamar Taylor, BBC last year, and also by McCourty this preseason.
He earns a big contract and proceeds to be terrible. I don't blame it on the contract, but the injuries. You'll recall, however, that he wasn't willing to tough it out on some of those injuries, where I'm sure the expectation, after getting such a big contract, was to tough it out. Gregg Williams put him on notice about this when he came in.
Hate on the FO all you want, they are doing the right thing to build a sustainable, winning team. It wasn't long ago we were all praising their draft which has yielded promising young starters out of the first three of our four picks and has transformed our offensive line from one terrible to potentially one of the best in the league. You all need to see the forest and stop fixating on the trees.
You are also wrong about Sashi's job being on the line, and I'm thankful that Jimmy came to his senses and disposed of this nonsensical itchy-trigger-finger thinking that permeates the Brown's fanbase. Sashi's job is secure. It's secure because you don't fix 17 years of sucking in two years. Haslam finally gets that. Sashi is going to be given the chance to see his plan to completion, and when it's done I guarantee you we'll have a winning football team.
Read my signature text and either get on board the roller coaster or head on over to the kiddie rides.
Excellent post
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Thank you, Pittsburgh, for taking Haden off the Browns' hands. I think he'll be a complete bust for the Steelers, truthfully. He's been terrible for the Browns the last couple years. Between concussions and surgeries, he's not been on the field much, and when he has been, he's been burned for big plays more often than not.
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Reminds me of another fan favorite that was let go because of "diminishing skills".Whether or not Joe is on the downside is not important right now. What is important is that his acquisition just made the Steelers a better team. Joe on crutches is better than anything they have.
What may also be disturbing to some is that Haden wanted to be a Steeler. Reports of him turning down bigger offers.He, his father and family excited to be a part of Steeler Fakin. Stinkie
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it shouldn't. Kosar was let go after changing buttichek's play and KOSAR's play went for a TD. A throw.
So, unless you think Haden changed Hue's play, it shouldn't have reminded you of anything of the sort.
And, blaming Sashi is foolish. You can bet he didn't make this move alone - and you can bet
Gregg initiated it. Haden hadn't been the earlier Joe Haden for a few years - and McCourty has
been making plays all over the field. Poor Joe lost his burst. The upside is, the squealers desperately
wanted him when he was cut. Back in the day, nearly nobody desperately wanted any Browns player that was cut.
Things are really looking up. LOL BTW, the joke in on the squealers - the first time they tell Joe to
deliberately take out an opposing qb's knee, he will tell them to shove it.
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Doesn't matter. He wasn't the worst CB on your roster and he's a upgrade for us.
Subtraction from your overall team talent and addition to our overall team talent.
That's how you own a division.
Haden gonna win more games this year than he has in the last 3 with the Clown's.
Doesn't matter. He wasn't the worst CB on your roster and he's a upgrade for us.
We don't know about that. Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps better than some of the UDFAs that will be cut. But he was getting burned like a lobster in a pot.
Subtraction from your overall team talent and addition to our overall team talent.
Maybe. On the other hand, if he plays like he has lately...he may not be any better of an addition than if you had kept one of your UDFA CBs in lieu of picking Joe up.
That's how you own a division.
You own a division by being a MOR team, but having the other teams in your division be some kind of sucky. At least that is what happened last year: 2016. Steelers win division...NO other team above .500. 2015 Bengals Div. Champ 2014 Steelers win division with 11-5 record: Bengals 10-5-1, Ravens 10-6. 2013 Bengals win Division 2012. Ravens and Bengals tie for division title. 2012. Ravens and Steelers tie for division title.
I am not sure what it is you think you own...but it certainly has not been the supremacy of the AFCN in the last 5 years. (but, I do expect Steelers to win this year...because Bengals and Ravens continue to drop off..and Browns have not yet gotten to the point where they can challenge)
Haden gonna win more games this year than he has in the last 3 with the Clown's.
That means the Steelers have to win 12 games this year. Yea, no, I don't see that happening. I think you may be lucky to have Joe PLAY in 12 games this year. He has been so injury prone.
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FWIW, Browns now owe Haden nothing. He's a hit on their cap, but the 4 mil the Browns owed Haden is offset by the Pittsburgh deal, not the other way around.
FWIW, Browns now owe Haden nothing. He's a hit on their cap, but the 4 mil the Browns owed Haden is offset by the Pittsburgh deal, not the other way around.
You sure? That is not what I heard. I heard that he gets his 4 mill from the Browns, plus the 7 mill from the Squibs. I thought the offset would only apply if he got from the Squibs what he would have made this year had he stayed with the Browns....the full 11 mill. No?
Irregardless, the Browns still take about a 3.5 mill cap hit (not that it matters as they are far below the cap number)
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This money-ball move is hard to comprehend. It's not like money is the issue because we have a lot of cap-space. Maybe Haden isn't worth $11M but he was a veteran leader, arguably our top corner, and all teams have contracts that they wished they didn't sign. We're willing to pay $13M for a future second round draft pick but not $11M for a veteran leader and contributor on a team lacking in secondary talent. That argument is spurious.
Tale-of-the-Tape: Browns save $7M (I heard we owe him $4 anyway). Browns lose a starting corner reducing the talent there to only 3 people. Steelers gain a corner to add to their depth at the position and make their team better.
Hmmmm. I say this decision sucks lemons and backfired. They say he was having a great camp. I don't know about that ... maybe the Browns thought the exact opposite. That must be considered in this decision.
But Shasi, for the love of God, when are you going to field a winning team like your job is on the line? Because no GM that is feeling that pressure makes this move over $7M. All teams get draft choices, and gain/lose free agents. But few of them (other than those with cap issues) make a move to reduce talent to save more money.
Where am I wrong?
Your argument is solid. Joe is a leader, and people looked upto him. Getting rid of him is a downgrade, and it's not like Sashi and Jimmy are going to sign anyone else except someone that would cost Jimmy peanuts. I see it as our secondary getting worse. Steelers never got rid of Polamalu or James Harrison to save money.
We paid for Osweiler and that pick, which are apparently more important than Joe.
Not only that, but last year we cut people we didn't have a replacement for and got worse in certain positions.
I wonder what Mudfly thinks about this....
Can someone logically argue that Sashi is making us better and not only saving Jimmy money?
I guess it doesn't matter, since the owner doesn't seem to give a rats tail if we win as long as he's selling tickets, merch, and making money.
And how long is this moneyball "plan"?
10 years?
Maybe football guys know football and harvard guys know business, but business knowledge doesn't always equal football knowledge, and to blindly praise Sashi for everything he does is a mistake.
Your argument is solid. Joe is a leader, and people looked upto him. Getting rid of him is a downgrade, and it's not like Sashi and Jimmy are going to sign anyone else except someone that would cost Jimmy peanuts. I see it as our secondary getting worse. Steelers never got rid of Polamalu or James Harrison to save money.
We paid for Osweiler and that pick, which are apparently more important than Joe.
Not only that, but last year we cut people we didn't have a replacement for and got worse in certain positions.
I wonder what Mudfly thinks about this....
Can someone logically argue that Sashi is making us better and not only saving Jimmy money?
I guess it doesn't matter, since the owner doesn't seem to give a rats tail if we win as long as he's selling tickets, merch, and making money.
And how long is this moneyball "plan"?
10 years?
Maybe football guys know football and harvard guys know business, but business knowledge doesn't always equal football knowledge, and to blindly praise Sashi for everything he does is a mistake.
IF....Gregg Williams thought that Joe was toast...and that the Browns would be better off with the likes of McCourty, Taylor, the Lady Brienne, Hillary, Burley, Murray and Stribling....then in their view this move DOES make them better. And include possibly some waiver pick up. And don't forget Howard Wilson whom they drafted. And then their is the draft next year. This FO is all about the long term.
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