Browns looking at WR trade ?
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If you want to say "I like him" that's fine! Great - you like him, got it.
But "clutch" isn't a metric - it's an emotion.
To say he's "more" than brees...... first, precisely quantify "clutch". Good luck. Hint: Guys paid by ESPN have tried - and failed - to define this concept.
clutch - denoting or occurring in a critical situation in which the outcome of a game or competition is at stake.
clutch - denoting or occurring in a critical situation in which the outcome of a game or competition is at stake.
that's not "quantifying"
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1) Define it.. showing exactly what the numerator and denominator are. Indecipherable twaddle shows you have no point.
2) Show exactly what by your precise metric [n=10 at minimum] sets those apart who "have" this thing of which you speak. I don't think "clutch" exists - at least not as a thing that can be quantified.
3) Show the values of other QB's - because if he's so good, then what is "normal" - and why precisely is this dude's number something more than the variation that is expected by chance.
For all the "oh, this dude led a comeback" stories.. being horseflop the first 3 quarters against a bad opponent is also the same guy's fault, and so playing well for one quarter gets him back to minus-2 [total quarters playing well] - it doesn't elevate him somehow. Consistency is much better than one great drive here and there.. that's how Alex Smith has been a starter in the league for a long time even if the majority of his passes are a yard and a half.
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The problem is that the different variables of "clutch" are subjective somewhat.
If you look at the data of 4th quarter comebacks, and game winning drives,
Drew Brees has 28 4th qt comebacks and 42 game winning drives.
Favre has 30 4th qt comebacks and 45 game winning drives.They're both great QBs, but I think it comes down to who subjectively you'd rather put in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.We can argue that Tom Brady has more 4th quarter comebacks than rg3, therefore, he'd be better when the game is on the line rather than rg3. -
Cool link... Here's a career stat for which Mr. First Ballot has no peers...
Rank Player Int Years Tm 1 Brett Favre+ 336 1991-2010 4TM 2 George Blanda+ 277 1949-1975 4TM "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Meanwhile back at WR...
Reports are we are sniffing around a trade for Kearse...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Cool link... Here's a career stat for which Mr. First Ballot has no peers...
Rank Player Int Years Tm 1 Brett Favre+ 336 1991-2010 4TM 2 George Blanda+ 277 1949-1975 4TM Cool link... Here's a career stat for which Mr. First Ballot has no peers...
Rank Player Int Years Tm 1 Brett Favre+ 336 1991-2010 4TM 2 George Blanda+ 277 1949-1975 4TM Well i said it was all subjective who someone would rather put in the 4th quarter.
I'd take Brett Favre over George Blanda in a heartbeat
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Cool link... Here's a career stat for which Mr. First Ballot has no peers...
Rank Player Int Years Tm 1 Brett Favre+ 336 1991-2010 4TM 2 George Blanda+ 277 1949-1975 4TM Well i said it was all subjective who someone would rather put in the 4th quarter.
I'd take Brett Favre over George Blanda in a heartbeat
I'd take Brett Favre over George Blanda in a heartbeat
lmao... but with Blanda I could kick a FG...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Meanwhile back at Kearse... Imma passin'...
Contrast his Catch Percentage stats...
Games Receiving Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% 2012 22 SEA wr 11 7 1 7 3 31 10.3 0 17 0.4 4.4 42.9% 2013 23 SEA wr 15 15 5 38 22 346 15.7 4 43 1.5 23.1 57.9% 2014 24 SEA WR 15 15 14 69 38 537 14.1 1 60 2.5 35.8 55.1% 2015 25 SEA WR 15 16 16 68 49 685 14.0 5 50 3.1 42.8 72.1% 2016 26 SEA WR 15 16 15 89 41 510 12.4 1 36 2.6 31.9 46.1% ... with those of Doug Baldwin... suggests to me a route discipline issue.
Games Receiving Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% 2011 23 SEA wr 15 16 1 85 51 788 15.5 4 55 3.2 49.3 60.0% 2012 24 SEA wr 89 14 4 50 29 366 12.6 3 50 2.1 26.1 58.0% 2013 25 SEA WR 89 16 9 72 50 778 15.6 5 52 3.1 48.6 69.4% 2014 26 SEA WR 89 16 16 98 66 825 12.5 3 49 4.1 51.6 67.3% 2015 27 SEA WR 89 16 16 103 78 1069 13.7 14 80 4.9 66.8 75.7% 2016* 28 SEA WR 89 16 15 125 94 1128 12.0 7 59 5.9 70.5 75.2% -
Cool link... Here's a career stat for which Mr. First Ballot has no peers...
Rank Player Int Years Tm 1 Brett Favre+ 336 1991-2010 4TM 2 George Blanda+ 277 1949-1975 4TM Cool link... Here's a career stat for which Mr. First Ballot has no peers...
Rank Player Int Years Tm 1 Brett Favre+ 336 1991-2010 4TM 2 George Blanda+ 277 1949-1975 4TM Well...you conveniently left out the fact that Favre had 10, 169 passing attempts, to George Blanda's 4007. More than 2.5 times more attempts.
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I'd take Brett Favre over George Blanda in a heartbeat
lmao... but with Blanda I could kick a FG...
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Kearse sucks. Does he even start anymore?
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Kearse sucks. Does he even start anymore?
I think he does. But he does suck. I'd prefer Inman from the Chargers.
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Our WR will be fine. We have the best Wideout in the game in Josh Gordon. A young talented WR in Coleman, a veteran in Britt and several very young and talented receivers with Louis, Higgins, Payton, Leslie, Mullaney and a few others sprinkled in. Expect Duke to flex out and make some receptions as well as the TEs Njoku, DeValve and even as we saw tonight with Telfer.
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Favre is also lifetime #1 in being sacked.
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Favre is also lifetime #1 in being sacked.
Favre is also lifetime #1 in being sacked.
I suspect that if they had a count of the most snaps taken by an NFL QB....he would lead by a large margin. He leads by a large margin in the number of games played: 322. Peyton played in 292. Brady has played in 269 (will he catch Favre?..he would have to start 3 and a half more full seasons to do so). Marino 258, Elway 251 Tarkenton 244, Brees 240, Vinny T. 218, Moon 213, Eli 211
Earlier I had said that Favre started the most losing games in a career. That was wrong. Vinny Testaverde had more losses as a starting QB than anyone in history. 126.
Some of you make it sound like you think that Favre was on Vinny T.s level. But no:
Favre 199-123 as a starter
Vinny: 92-126
Only two other QBs ever lost over 100 games in their careers: Tarkenton 114 and Marino 103. Eli Manning could likely join that group this year as he has 95 career losses to date.
Eli does have a long way to go to catch his brother in total games played: Peyton 292, Eli now at 211.
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Cool link... Here's a career stat for which Mr. First Ballot has no peers...
Rank Player Int Years Tm 1 Brett Favre+ 336 1991-2010 4TM 2 George Blanda+ 277 1949-1975 4TM Well...you conveniently left out the fact that Favre had 10, 169 passing attempts, to George Blanda's 4007. More than 2.5 times more attempts.
Well...you conveniently left out the fact that Favre had 10, 169 passing attempts, to George Blanda's 4007. More than 2.5 times more attempts.
Did not leave anything out as my intent was merely to show that Mr. First Ballot is the career INT leader by a wide margin...
Can't say the same for career TDs...
Rank Player TD Years Tm 1 Peyton Manning 539 1998-2015 2TM 2 Brett Favre+ 508 1991-2010 4TM ... but the real fun comes when you look at career passer rating. T-28th... with Trent Green...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well...you conveniently left out the fact that Favre had 10, 169 passing attempts, to George Blanda's 4007. More than 2.5 times more attempts.
Did not leave anything out as my intent was merely to show that Mr. First Ballot is the career INT leader by a wide margin...
Can't say the same for career TDs...
Rank Player TD Years Tm 1 Peyton Manning 539 1998-2015 2TM 2 Brett Favre+ 508 1991-2010 4TM ... but the real fun comes when you look at career passer rating. T-28th... with Trent Green...
Did not leave anything out as my intent was merely to show that Mr. First Ballot is the career INT leader by a wide margin...
Can't say the same for career TDs...
Rank Player TD Years Tm 1 Peyton Manning 539 1998-2015 2TM 2 Brett Favre+ 508 1991-2010 4TM ... but the real fun comes when you look at career passer rating. T-28th... with Trent Green...
We all know that the career passer rating system can be Bollix. Chad Pennington, Colin Kaepernick, Jeff Garcia, Ryan Tannehill, Matt Schaub...and others of that ilk have better passer ratings than him. You want them instead?
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