Haden a Steeler
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I think it is debatable if Pitt will have 2 good CBs. Joe was cut because the Browns felt they had 3-4 guys that were definitely better.....and no one around here has acclaimed that the Browns have a great defensive backfield.
So...if well below average is your standard of what is good.....more power to you. As noted, Joe may fit better in a zone D. No longer in mano a mano.
That's not true Gip. I've am stating that the HAD one of the best backfields out there.
Vintage and a Heathy Joe Haden. Jamar Taylor. Body-Count. Peppers. Kindred. Pryor. I would be perfectly content with that backfield over ANY other in the NFL.
That's not true Gip. I've am stating that the HAD one of the best backfields out there.
Vintage and a Heathy Joe Haden. Jamar Taylor. Body-Count. Peppers. Kindred. Pryor. I would be perfectly content with that backfield over ANY other in the NFL.
Well, your reputation for talent evaluation is not very stellar. I will rely on my own. Show me one objective resourse that rates the Browns defensive backfield as "one of the better backfields out there" I doubt it can be done.
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Colt McCoy was the best QB we had on the roster when I called for him to start, as noted by him still being employed and if the team had been built up around him he could have succeeded.
We haven't been able to run the ball like we did when we had Lawrence Vickers at FB.
Trent Richardson had a better season his rookie year with Weeden at QB than Crowell has had in 3 seasons.
Tyrann Mathiew is a really good player... who did we take just before he went? McFadden- Does he even play anymore?
Derek Carr IS a Franchise QB.
Kevin Hogan IS this teams best all around QB.
Joe Haden WAS this teams best DB.
Devalue my talent evaluation if you must, but I've been solid IMO.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Also, why the fuck is a Steelers fan here? You should be out making sure the women of Pittsburgh don't get raped by the city hero.
They weren't offering him 7 mil to stay as a new contract they were trying to cut down his current contract to 7 million. He was already under contract they weren't offering him a new one. Can you see the difference?
Yes, but do you understand that whether it was a new contract or restructuring of a old one....... they were STILL willing to pay him 7mill a year.
That's just not something you do for someone who isn't starter capable or is (as one of your posters said) the 4th or 5th best CB on the team.
Know what every other team in the NFL pays CBs that aren't starter capable or are the 4th or 5th best CB on their team?
Me neither, but I guarantee it isn't 7 million dollars.
So must be something left in the tank if you guys were willing to part with that type of money.
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
Colt McCoy was the best QB we had on the roster when I called for him to start, as noted by him still being employed and if the team had been built up around him he could have succeeded.
We haven't been able to run the ball like we did when we had Lawrence Vickers at FB.
Trent Richardson had a better season his rookie year with Weeden at QB than Crowell has had in 3 seasons.
Tyrann Mathiew is a really good player... who did we take just before he went? McFadden- Does he even play anymore?
Derek Carr IS a Franchise QB.
Kevin Hogan IS this teams best all around QB.
Joe Haden WAS this teams best DB.
Devalue my talent evaluation if you must, but I've been solid IMO.
Colt McCoy was the best QB we had on the roster when I called for him to start, as noted by him still being employed and if the team had been built up around him he could have succeeded.
We haven't been able to run the ball like we did when we had Lawrence Vickers at FB.
Trent Richardson had a better season his rookie year with Weeden at QB than Crowell has had in 3 seasons.
Tyrann Mathiew is a really good player... who did we take just before he went? McFadden- Does he even play anymore?
Derek Carr IS a Franchise QB.
Kevin Hogan IS this teams best all around QB.
Joe Haden WAS this teams best DB.
Devalue my talent evaluation if you must, but I've been solid IMO.
And you are the only one here that holds yourself in high opinon. As many have said: see what PoG says, and advocate the exact opposite.
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The guy has been playing on a bad groin for the last two seasons. He wont have to be the number one corner and the steelers wouldnt have paid him 7m if they didnt think he had anything left. I have no expectations but if hes fully healthy the signing is substantial. I dont believe he will be prime joe haden but i think he will be solid and thats all the steelers need. Solid.
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They weren't offering him 7 mil to stay as a new contract they were trying to cut down his current contract to 7 million. He was already under contract they weren't offering him a new one. Can you see the difference?
Yes, but do you understand that whether it was a new contract or restructuring of a old one....... they were STILL willing to pay him 7mill a year.
That's just not something you do for someone who isn't starter capable or is (as one of your posters said) the 4th or 5th best CB on the team.
Know what every other team in the NFL pays CBs that aren't starter capable or are the 4th or 5th best CB on their team?
Me neither, but I guarantee it isn't 7 million dollars.
So must be something left in the tank if you guys were willing to part with that type of money.
Yes, but do you understand that whether it was a new contract or restructuring of a old one....... they were STILL willing to pay him 7mill a year.
That's just not something you do for someone who isn't starter capable or is (as one of your posters said) the 4th or 5th best CB on the team.
Know what every other team in the NFL pays CBs that aren't starter capable or are the 4th or 5th best CB on their team?
Me neither, but I guarantee it isn't 7 million dollars.
So must be something left in the tank if you guys were willing to part with that type of money.
Well, maybe the FO was willing to give him that kind of money for past services rendered and for "good will" (especially when the Browns were so far under the salary cap that it didn't hurt to give their 4th best CB that kind of bonus contract). What also seems clear is that this new DC didn't really do any advocacy on his behalf because he felt he was no longer a viable significant contributor.....in his system. Perhaps Joe will be a viable contributor in the steelers zone system....making it worth it to them to pick him up at that price. But he was not going to fit in here with a DC that had no confidence in him.
I think the one thing you can say about Williams is that he no sentimentalist. He doesn't give a shit about a guys past, or his off field status. He just cares about putting guys in there that can play well for him. He must not have thought that about Joe.
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Colt McCoy was the best QB we had on the roster when I called for him to start, as noted by him still being employed and if the team had been built up around him he could have succeeded.
We haven't been able to run the ball like we did when we had Lawrence Vickers at FB.
Trent Richardson had a better season his rookie year with Weeden at QB than Crowell has had in 3 seasons.
Tyrann Mathiew is a really good player... who did we take just before he went? McFadden- Does he even play anymore?
Derek Carr IS a Franchise QB.
Kevin Hogan IS this teams best all around QB.
Joe Haden WAS this teams best DB.
Devalue my talent evaluation if you must, but I've been solid IMO.
And you are the only one here that holds yourself in high opinon. As many have said: see what PoG says, and advocate the exact opposite.
And you are the only one here that holds yourself in high opinon. As many have said: see what PoG says, and advocate the exact opposite.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
The guy has been playing on a bad groin for the last two seasons. He wont have to be the number one corner and the steelers wouldnt have paid him 7m if they didnt think he had anything left. I have no expectations but if hes fully healthy the signing is substantial. I dont believe he will be prime joe haden but i think he will be solid and thats all the steelers need. Solid.
The guy has been playing on a bad groin for the last two seasons. He wont have to be the number one corner and the steelers wouldnt have paid him 7m if they didnt think he had anything left. I have no expectations but if hes fully healthy the signing is substantial. I dont believe he will be prime joe haden but i think he will be solid and thats all the steelers need. Solid.
You are the one who said it: he will be playing in the zone. At this point in his career, with his skills diminished, that may be helpful for him, and he may become a solid contributor. Time will tell. One thing we do know: In Williams system, against the Browns below mediocre receiving corps, Haden was not cutting the mustard. So, perhaps it is best for him to go to a new system. Of course, we here all wish Joe no personal animosity....but if he pulls/tears his groin again.....it will only be his wife and Steeler fans that will be unhappy. And we can live with that.
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And you are the only one here that holds yourself in high opinon. As many have said: see what PoG says, and advocate the exact opposite.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
That one word tells us all we need to know: soccer. How many of your players keeeck a touchdown?
(and you say that you find it hard to believe that people here don't trust your talent evaluation skills? Well, why don't you just ask the people here.
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The guy has been playing on a bad groin for the last two seasons. He wont have to be the number one corner and the steelers wouldnt have paid him 7m if they didnt think he had anything left. I have no expectations but if hes fully healthy the signing is substantial. I dont believe he will be prime joe haden but i think he will be solid and thats all the steelers need. Solid.
You are the one who said it: he will be playing in the zone. At this point in his career, with his skills diminished, that may be helpful for him, and he may become a solid contributor. Time will tell. One thing we do know: In Williams system, against the Browns below mediocre receiving corps, Haden was not cutting the mustard. So, perhaps it is best for him to go to a new system. Of course, we here all wish Joe no personal animosity....but if he pulls/tears his groin again.....it will only be his wife and Steeler fans that will be unhappy. And we can live with that.
You are the one who said it: he will be playing in the zone. At this point in his career, with his skills diminished, that may be helpful for him, and he may become a solid contributor. Time will tell. One thing we do know: In Williams system, against the Browns below mediocre receiving corps, Haden was not cutting the mustard. So, perhaps it is best for him to go to a new system. Of course, we here all wish Joe no personal animosity....but if he pulls/tears his groin again.....it will only be his wife and Steeler fans that will be unhappy. And we can live with that.
Good thing his contract is incentive laden. If he doesnt and hes great we know who will be sad.
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The guy has been playing on a bad groin for the last two seasons. He wont have to be the number one corner and the steelers wouldnt have paid him 7m if they didnt think he had anything left. I have no expectations but if hes fully healthy the signing is substantial. I dont believe he will be prime joe haden but i think he will be solid and thats all the steelers need. Solid.
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I have a player on my team that also plays football, he's actually doing both right now. I started coaching him when I was still tying his shoes. He's a playmaker and actually scored twice today. His Older brother was just signed by the Broncos. DyMonte Thomas? Hope he makes the cut. Just took an interception to the house for a pick 6 vs. the Cardinals.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
You are the one who said it: he will be playing in the zone. At this point in his career, with his skills diminished, that may be helpful for him, and he may become a solid contributor. Time will tell. One thing we do know: In Williams system, against the Browns below mediocre receiving corps, Haden was not cutting the mustard. So, perhaps it is best for him to go to a new system. Of course, we here all wish Joe no personal animosity....but if he pulls/tears his groin again.....it will only be his wife and Steeler fans that will be unhappy. And we can live with that.
Good thing his contract is incentive laden. If he doesnt and hes great we know who will be sad.
Good thing his contract is incentive laden. If he doesnt and hes great we know who will be sad.
Incentive laden? I thought that the Steelers were giving him a straight 7 million bucks. Are you saying that if he sucks he won't collect all that?
As for who will be sad....PoG maybe. Right now it seems that the Browns defense is better off without him...even if he does reasonably well over there.
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And you are the only one here that holds yourself in high opinon. As many have said: see what PoG says, and advocate the exact opposite.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
This guy can't be real. There's no way someone would actually say this.
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Good thing his contract is incentive laden. If he doesnt and hes great we know who will be sad.
Incentive laden? I thought that the Steelers were giving him a straight 7 million bucks. Are you saying that if he sucks he won't collect all that?
As for who will be sad....PoG maybe. Right now it seems that the Browns defense is better off without him...even if he does reasonably well over there.
Incentive laden? I thought that the Steelers were giving him a straight 7 million bucks. Are you saying that if he sucks he won't collect all that?
As for who will be sad....PoG maybe. Right now it seems that the Browns defense is better off without him...even if he does reasonably well over there.
He gets that but the following 2 years he can be cut without a ton of dead money.
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I have a player on my team that also plays football, he's actually doing both right now. I started coaching him when I was still tying his shoes. He's a playmaker and actually scored twice today. His Older brother was just signed by the Broncos. DyMonte Thomas? Hope he makes the cut. Just took an interception to the house for a pick 6 vs. the Cardinals.
I have a player on my team that also plays football, he's actually doing both right now. I started coaching him when I was still tying his shoes. He's a playmaker and actually scored twice today. His Older brother was just signed by the Broncos. Devante Thomas? Hope he makes the cut.
When you are hired by the Broncos...or any NFL team let us know. Just because you have a nefarious association with a guy doesn't make you a talent evaluator. My nephew graduated HS with LeBron James. Does that mean that the Cavs should hire me as a scout?
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Incentive laden? I thought that the Steelers were giving him a straight 7 million bucks. Are you saying that if he sucks he won't collect all that?
As for who will be sad....PoG maybe. Right now it seems that the Browns defense is better off without him...even if he does reasonably well over there.
He gets that but the following 2 years he can be cut without a ton of dead money.
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They weren't offering him 7 mil to stay as a new contract they were trying to cut down his current contract to 7 million. He was already under contract they weren't offering him a new one. Can you see the difference?
Yes, but do you understand that whether it was a new contract or restructuring of a old one....... they were STILL willing to pay him 7mill a year.
That's just not something you do for someone who isn't starter capable or is (as one of your posters said) the 4th or 5th best CB on the team.
Know what every other team in the NFL pays CBs that aren't starter capable or are the 4th or 5th best CB on their team?
Me neither, but I guarantee it isn't 7 million dollars.
So must be something left in the tank if you guys were willing to part with that type of money.
Yes, but do you understand that whether it was a new contract or restructuring of a old one....... they were STILL willing to pay him 7mill a year.
That's just not something you do for someone who isn't starter capable or is (as one of your posters said) the 4th or 5th best CB on the team.
Know what every other team in the NFL pays CBs that aren't starter capable or are the 4th or 5th best CB on their team?
Me neither, but I guarantee it isn't 7 million dollars.
So must be something left in the tank if you guys were willing to part with that type of money.
Potentially trying to get him to restructure in order to make him more enticing for a trade? No one would trade for a broke down cb commanding 11 million a year. You are saying you guys still wanted to pay him 7 million a year like we were offering him a new contract. He was already under a contract we had him regardless. If the rumor is true we were offering to eat part of his salary in a trade then if we really wanted to keep him at 7 why just cut him outright at 11 million unless we truly didn't want him?
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Make no mistake.
Joe is 100% again and every bit worth the contract he was given two years ago.
We fucked up. Just admit it. We got cute and disrespected Joe and be burned us for doing so.
Make no mistake.
Joe is 100% again and every bit worth the contract he was given two years ago.
We fucked up. Just admit it. We got cute and disrespected Joe and be burned us for doing so.
Lol we cut him. It's not like we got cute and offered him a smaller contract as a free agent and he left us for our rivals. We saw him get burnt time and time again by our middling wr core and cut ties cause he can't hack it.
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Make no mistake.
Joe is 100% again and every bit worth the contract he was given two years ago.
We fucked up. Just admit it. We got cute and disrespected Joe and be burned us for doing so.
Lol we cut him. It's not like we got cute and offered him a smaller contract as a free agent and he left us for our rivals. We saw him get burnt time and time again by our middling wr core and cut ties cause he can't hack it.
Lol we cut him. It's not like we got cute and offered him a smaller contract as a free agent and he left us for our rivals. We saw him get burnt time and time again by our middling wr core and cut ties cause he can't hack it.
I dont know what to expect from him but you cut him because you didnt want to pay him 11m. The browns offered him 7 which is what the steelers are paying and he declined. So yes you cut him but the browns would have kept him if he accepted the reduced salary.
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