Haden a Steeler
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I dont know what to expect from him but you cut him because you didnt want to pay him 11m. The browns offered him 7 which is what the steelers are paying and he declined. So yes you cut him but the browns would have kept him if he accepted the reduced salary.
Who is to say they weren't offering that to make him more trade friendly?
Who is to say they weren't offering that to make him more trade friendly?
How does that even make any sense? They asked him to reduce his salary and he said no and he was released. The browns wanting him or not wanting him isnt going to effect how other teams evaluate him. Frankly despite his recent injuries i think the browns with all the cap room made a mistake in cutting him. I guess we will all find out soon enough.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
And you are the only one here that holds yourself in high opinon. As many have said: see what PoG says, and advocate the exact opposite.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
Believe it.
Soccer has about nothing to do with football. Sure, Richardson had a semi-decent rookie year, and then totally flamed out with 2 different teams. It was more than not having a FB to block for him. He's out of football- probably for good. I'll grant you Mathieu and Carr, but Derek wasn't exactly rocket science. My opinion was anyone but Manziel. BTW, Tyrann got kicked off of LSU for repeated drug violations, and posted a whopping (harhar) 4 reps at 225.
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Who is to say they weren't offering that to make him more trade friendly?
How does that even make any sense? They asked him to reduce his salary and he said no and he was released. The browns wanting him or not wanting him isnt going to effect how other teams evaluate him. Frankly despite his recent injuries i think the browns with all the cap room made a mistake in cutting him. I guess we will all find out soon enough.
How does that even make any sense? They asked him to reduce his salary and he said no and he was released. The browns wanting him or not wanting him isnt going to effect how other teams evaluate him. Frankly despite his recent injuries i think the browns with all the cap room made a mistake in cutting him. I guess we will all find out soon enough.
They knew that other teams would be more likely to trade for him if he didn't have as high of a salary? Maybe they knew no one would trade for a cb who is getting paid lock down corner money at 11 mil/yr when he is no longer a lock down corner. If he is only making 7 maybe a team would be willing to trade for him.
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And you are the only one here that holds yourself in high opinon. As many have said: see what PoG says, and advocate the exact opposite.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
Ok I have to admit I laughed. My first thought was that sounds like the guy who knows how things work because he stayed at the Holiday Inn Express last night.
I don't want to take away from that soccer accomplishment, but it's not football, just futbol. Totally different skill sets except for kickers (GB's Crosby converted from the soccer field in HS)
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Yeah so can we get to week one already when everyone will bitch and point fingers?
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And you are the only one here that holds yourself in high opinon. As many have said: see what PoG says, and advocate the exact opposite.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
I find that hard to believe.
I'm a coach so I know what to look for in talent.
My soccer team went to the championship last year and we are undefeated this season.
This is sarcasm, right? Has to be. Although the following posts make it seem more straight-shooting.
Please tell me this is just great deadpan self-depracating sarcasm.
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The guy has been playing on a bad groin for the last two seasons. He wont have to be the number one corner and the steelers wouldnt have paid him 7m if they didnt think he had anything left. I have no expectations but if hes fully healthy the signing is substantial. I dont believe he will be prime joe haden but i think he will be solid and thats all the steelers need. Solid.
The guy has been playing on a bad groin for the last two seasons. He wont have to be the number one corner and the steelers wouldnt have paid him 7m if they didnt think he had anything left. I have no expectations but if hes fully healthy the signing is substantial. I dont believe he will be prime joe haden but i think he will be solid and thats all the steelers need. Solid.
Once you have groin tears its pretty hard to get back to any respectable level.. With Joe you basically have to keep everything in front of him.. But I expect joe to get burned.. And often.. It just is what it is...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Who is to say they weren't offering that to make him more trade friendly?
How does that even make any sense? They asked him to reduce his salary and he said no and he was released. The browns wanting him or not wanting him isnt going to effect how other teams evaluate him. Frankly despite his recent injuries i think the browns with all the cap room made a mistake in cutting him. I guess we will all find out soon enough.
How does that even make any sense? They asked him to reduce his salary and he said no and he was released. The browns wanting him or not wanting him isnt going to effect how other teams evaluate him. Frankly despite his recent injuries i think the browns with all the cap room made a mistake in cutting him. I guess we will all find out soon enough.
Well.....there may be the rub. Despite having all that cap room....the Browns FO, with their analytics based approach still believe that despite the fact that they have tons of cap room do NOT want to overpay for players based on performance....unless absolutely necessary.
It WAS necessary for them to eat Osweiler's contract. But how do you think this FO analyzed that...to come up with a solution? Cut that 16 mill from the roster somewhere else. And Haden and Greco were that somewhere else. Get rid of aging veterans with high salaries that are not performing up to their salaries. That IS a mantra of this FO....n/w/s anything having to do with how much cap space they may have.
And, another side of this is that they may be adhering to the Bill Belichick philosophy: Better to get rid of a guy a year early than a year late.
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The guy has been playing on a bad groin for the last two seasons. He wont have to be the number one corner and the steelers wouldnt have paid him 7m if they didnt think he had anything left. I have no expectations but if hes fully healthy the signing is substantial. I dont believe he will be prime joe haden but i think he will be solid and thats all the steelers need. Solid.
Once you have groin tears its pretty hard to get back to any respectable level.. With Joe you basically have to keep everything in front of him.. But I expect joe to get burned.. And often.. It just is what it is...
Once you have groin tears its pretty hard to get back to any respectable level.. With Joe you basically have to keep everything in front of him.. But I expect joe to get burned.. And often.. It just is what it is...
Which for a corner is pretty much the game... in a zone...
The ESPN analysis of Joe's game that I referred to a few days ago made your point. Showed him in his prime vs now. Before he had no fear of trailing. Now he was turning very early to keep the play in front of him. And when the WR cut off the route his recovery cuts were now rounded.
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How much was Greco going to make this year?
I was more upset about them cutting him than Haden... Nice to have versatile veteran backups, especially when Bitonio has not been exactly the most durable player.
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Greco was due to make $3.2mm IIRC... I know it was $3-something.
Were he the same Greco I saw going into 2016, then I'd agree... but he wasn't.
It is worth noting that John has not yet been signed by anyone.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Greco was due to make $3.2mm IIRC... I know it was $3-something.
Were he the same Greco I saw going into 2016, then I'd agree... but he wasn't.
It is worth noting that John has not yet been signed by anyone.
Greco was due to make $3.2mm IIRC... I know it was $3-something.
Were he the same Greco I saw going into 2016, then I'd agree... but he wasn't.
It is worth noting that John has not yet been signed by anyone.
So, I suspect it was certainly not all about the money in ditching Greco...as apparently he wasn't making all that much. I guess they just wanted to ditch just about everyone over a certain age.
Now...only JT, Colquitt and McCourty are on this team who are 30 or over. JT and Colquitt both 32, McCourty is 30. That includes anyone on the IR or PS.
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Greco was due to make $3.2mm IIRC... I know it was $3-something.
Were he the same Greco I saw going into 2016, then I'd agree... but he wasn't.
It is worth noting that John has not yet been signed by anyone.
So, I suspect it was certainly not all about the money in ditching Greco...as apparently he wasn't making all that much. I guess they just wanted to ditch just about everyone over a certain age.
Now...only JT, Colquitt and McCourty are on this team who are 30 or over. JT and Colquitt both 32, McCourty is 30. That includes anyone on the IR or PS.
I guess they just wanted to ditch just about everyone over a certain age.
Bad guess...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Greco was due to make $3.2mm IIRC... I know it was $3-something.
Were he the same Greco I saw going into 2016, then I'd agree... but he wasn't.
It is worth noting that John has not yet been signed by anyone.
So, I suspect it was certainly not all about the money in ditching Greco...as apparently he wasn't making all that much. I guess they just wanted to ditch just about everyone over a certain age.
Now...only JT, Colquitt and McCourty are on this team who are 30 or over. JT and Colquitt both 32, McCourty is 30. That includes anyone on the IR or PS.
So, I suspect it was certainly not all about the money in ditching Greco...as apparently he wasn't making all that much. I guess they just wanted to ditch just about everyone over a certain age.
Now...only JT, Colquitt and McCourty are on this team who are 30 or over. JT and Colquitt both 32, McCourty is 30. That includes anyone on the IR or PS.
This is where the FO earns it's money (if you can say that now $$$$), almost as important as picking the draft picks.
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Who gives a shit now they are gone, Let's talk about moving forward and see if they will lower ticket prices since we can't put together a winning ef'n team.
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I guess they just wanted to ditch just about everyone over a certain age.
Bad guess...
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No...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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I think the Clowns may have well and truly f*cked up.
By all accounts Haden is having no speed or quickness issues and is in no way overmatched on either AB or Bryant. Also reported that he was able to match step for step with DHB.... arguably the fastest player on our team.
http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/LOOK-Joe-Haden-takes-on-Martavis-Bryant-in-practice-107052846
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
I think the Clowns may have well and truly f*cked up.
By all accounts Haden is having no speed or quickness issues and is in no way overmatched on either AB or Bryant. Also reported that he was able to match step for step with DHB.... arguably the fastest player on our team.
http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/LOOK-Joe-Haden-takes-on-Martavis-Bryant-in-practice-107052846
I think the Clowns may have well and truly f*cked up.
By all accounts Haden is having no speed or quickness issues and is in no way overmatched on either AB or Bryant. Also reported that he was able to match step for step with DHB.... arguably the fastest player on our team.
http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/LOOK-Joe-Haden-takes-on-Martavis-Bryant-in-practice-107052846
Sounds like a self serving ...and not necessarily true, statement. If he is so fast and quick....why was that not the case throughout the preseason here? Because it was not. He couldn't keep up with Rashard Higgins and Ricardo Louis.....not quite on par with AB. Was he faking it or dogging it because he didn't want to play for Greg Williams, who had challenged him?
Or, maybe, as many have said...including your ilk: Haden will perform better in the Steeler's zone rather than in the man to man that Williams runs. Maybe that is what is happening
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