Kizer
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Hogan outshined Kizer in Preseason and he wasn't even given the same opportunity as the other 3 QB's that were out there.
It was supposed to be an open competition but it clearly wasn't. All I heard was it was a 3 way race for the starting QB. Oz, Kessler and Kizer... what about Hogan? Hmmm?
I couldn't care less now really. I want to win fucking games. I don't care for coaches favorites if they are not the best on the field. Hue is going with his gut BUT to bad for us, his gut is wrong.
Should have kept Haden and started Hogan.
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Ben....2 Super Bowl rings
Ben... When his team needed plays, he made them. He used Greg WIlliams D from the Dawg Pound, to wipe his ass
Ben... Wins the game
Tarkenton... 7 sacks
NO fucking comparison. Kizer is a loser. 0 - 1. Steelers, 1 - 0 Suffering not one hard hit from thie supposed "BADASS" defense.
The ONLY thing you say here that has a smidgeon of merit is the fact that the defense did not hit BR hard.....but....it seemed to me that that was somewhat purposeful. So often they were using just a 3 man rush rather than basically sending a blitz on frequent occasion.
I would like to hear some explanation of that.
(I do wonder though how you think that Kizer is supposed to have matched BR's two Super Bowls after having only played one game. ....and the fact is, it was a Browns special teams fuckup that won the game for the Steelers. And Antonio Brown.
The ONLY thing you say here that has a smidgeon of merit is the fact that the defense did not hit BR hard.....but....it seemed to me that that was somewhat purposeful. So often they were using just a 3 man rush rather than basically sending a blitz on frequent occasion.
I would like to hear some explanation of that.
(I do wonder though how you think that Kizer is supposed to have matched BR's two Super Bowls after having only played one game. ....and the fact is, it was a Browns special teams fuckup that won the game for the Steelers. And Antonio Brown.
I am not the one who made the comparison of Ben to Kizer. Orion posted the comparison. I agree, it was an idiotic comparison to begin with. But once he made it, I responded. I never expected to compare the two. You might want to direct your question to the guy that made the comparison for our discussion.
Look, people can pimp this guy all they want, but he got sacked 7 times. SEVEN. Now, that's not good, no matter how you slice it. All off season long I had to listen to the Hoorta army talk about how bad last year's OL was. So what do you call 7 sacks? Building for the future? What future? Orthapedic joints?
People are projecting bullshit, all on a positive spion. Losing by 3 Sunday means we are on the verge of being better than the Steelers? No, it doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean jack fucking shit. he Steelers played a very conservative game. They took very few risks because they knew they didn't have to. he planned to play soft, easy and calculated knowing that the Browns don't have playmakers. The Steelers beat us last year, last game of the season, by 3 points.
Go back and look at the threads. People posting how THIS was an Omen. Conjecturing that with all the picks we have coming and the maturity of the young guys, we would pound the Steelers opening day. Bullshit, we lost by 3 then, we added all this talent? And we still lost by 3. The Steelers played us much like a big kid plays with a little kid. Let him get close, don't hurt yourself, don't give away your hand, and then squash them at the end.
If people here believe that 7 sacks is not the biggest issue of this team, then they are idiots. If this guy gets hit that many times every game, he isn't going to to last long. You know it, and I know it. The problem remains, the Browns have scarce talent at the most important positions on the field. QB, WR, RB and TE. Seven sacks is a problem. he Ravens could get 10.
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The ONLY thing you say here that has a smidgeon of merit is the fact that the defense did not hit BR hard.....but....it seemed to me that that was somewhat purposeful. So often they were using just a 3 man rush rather than basically sending a blitz on frequent occasion.
I would like to hear some explanation of that.
(I do wonder though how you think that Kizer is supposed to have matched BR's two Super Bowls after having only played one game. ....and the fact is, it was a Browns special teams fuckup that won the game for the Steelers. And Antonio Brown.
I am not the one who made the comparison of Ben to Kizer. Orion posted the comparison. I agree, it was an idiotic comparison to begin with. But once he made it, I responded. I never expected to compare the two. You might want to direct your question to the guy that made the comparison for our discussion.
Look, people can pimp this guy all they want, but he got sacked 7 times. SEVEN. Now, that's not good, no matter how you slice it. All off season long I had to listen to the Hoorta army talk about how bad last year's OL was. So what do you call 7 sacks? Building for the future? What future? Orthapedic joints?
People are projecting bullshit, all on a positive spion. Losing by 3 Sunday means we are on the verge of being better than the Steelers? No, it doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean jack fucking shit. he Steelers played a very conservative game. They took very few risks because they knew they didn't have to. he planned to play soft, easy and calculated knowing that the Browns don't have playmakers. The Steelers beat us last year, last game of the season, by 3 points.
Go back and look at the threads. People posting how THIS was an Omen. Conjecturing that with all the picks we have coming and the maturity of the young guys, we would pound the Steelers opening day. Bullshit, we lost by 3 then, we added all this talent? And we still lost by 3. The Steelers played us much like a big kid plays with a little kid. Let him get close, don't hurt yourself, don't give away your hand, and then squash them at the end.
If people here believe that 7 sacks is not the biggest issue of this team, then they are idiots. If this guy gets hit that many times every game, he isn't going to to last long. You know it, and I know it. The problem remains, the Browns have scarce talent at the most important positions on the field. QB, WR, RB and TE. Seven sacks is a problem. he Ravens could get 10.
I am not the one who made the comparison of Ben to Kizer. Orion posted the comparison. I agree, it was an idiotic comparison to begin with. But once he made it, I responded. I never expected to compare the two. You might want to direct your question to the guy that made the comparison for our discussion.
umm...wasn't me.
Perhaps you're thinking of boo fagley.
I don't think it's at all fair to Kizer to compare him to Ben. Ben's been in the league so long everyone thought he was gonna retire. Kizer's 21 years old and thrust into the starting job of a 1-15 team. Based on that, if ya don't think Kizer's performance was pretty good then....I got nothin' for ya.
I mean really, if anyone should be able to tell a decent young QB performance from a bad young QB performance, it should be us. We've seen a ton of young QB performances.
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So sorry.... I guess we simply didn't get the memo that one game makes or breaks an entire NFL career. No QB (or any other position) in NFL history has ever made improvements after their debut.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/09/worst-debuts-by-rookie-quarterbacks-in-nfl-history/
Nobody expected them to win, or be instantly better than the Steelers... or even be a playoff contender this season. Kizer showed toughness, arm talent, and a lot of mistakes that will go away with experience and coaching. He seems to study his ass off and practice hard, and he's light years ahead of where anyone projected him to be at this stage.
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http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/gamelogs?season=2004
Big Ben was sacked 7 times in his 11th game of his rookie year and had a good line and some hall of fame players on his team, so he statistically turned out ok.
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I compared Kizer to Roth when I viewed his game tape from college. He reminded me of him a lot.
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I can't wait to go into the next draft, with all of our picks, two good 1srs, and NOT need a QB.
Trade back with some QB needy team. Damn. That'll be another major in flux off talent
Kizer won't be the Browns QB in 2018.
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@boo-fagley said:
Maybe Paxton Lynch will sign with Cleveland in 2018 after the Broncos kick his ass to the road.
First he'll have to sign with Houston for a kazillion dollars...and then we'll trade for him and get a 2nd round pick along with his contract..
Actually, I can't bust balls on Paxton cos I wanted us to draft him towards the end of round one.
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The ONLY thing you say here that has a smidgeon of merit is the fact that the defense did not hit BR hard.....but....it seemed to me that that was somewhat purposeful. So often they were using just a 3 man rush rather than basically sending a blitz on frequent occasion.
I would like to hear some explanation of that.
(I do wonder though how you think that Kizer is supposed to have matched BR's two Super Bowls after having only played one game. ....and the fact is, it was a Browns special teams fuckup that won the game for the Steelers. And Antonio Brown.
I am not the one who made the comparison of Ben to Kizer. Orion posted the comparison. I agree, it was an idiotic comparison to begin with. But once he made it, I responded. I never expected to compare the two. You might want to direct your question to the guy that made the comparison for our discussion.
Look, people can pimp this guy all they want, but he got sacked 7 times. SEVEN. Now, that's not good, no matter how you slice it. All off season long I had to listen to the Hoorta army talk about how bad last year's OL was. So what do you call 7 sacks? Building for the future? What future? Orthapedic joints?
People are projecting bullshit, all on a positive spion. Losing by 3 Sunday means we are on the verge of being better than the Steelers? No, it doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean jack fucking shit. he Steelers played a very conservative game. They took very few risks because they knew they didn't have to. he planned to play soft, easy and calculated knowing that the Browns don't have playmakers. The Steelers beat us last year, last game of the season, by 3 points.
Go back and look at the threads. People posting how THIS was an Omen. Conjecturing that with all the picks we have coming and the maturity of the young guys, we would pound the Steelers opening day. Bullshit, we lost by 3 then, we added all this talent? And we still lost by 3. The Steelers played us much like a big kid plays with a little kid. Let him get close, don't hurt yourself, don't give away your hand, and then squash them at the end.
If people here believe that 7 sacks is not the biggest issue of this team, then they are idiots. If this guy gets hit that many times every game, he isn't going to to last long. You know it, and I know it. The problem remains, the Browns have scarce talent at the most important positions on the field. QB, WR, RB and TE. Seven sacks is a problem. he Ravens could get 10.
I am not the one who made the comparison of Ben to Kizer. Orion posted the comparison.
He only compared statistics in one game they played against each other.....you are the one that took the comparison to an absurd level.
I agree, it was an idiotic comparison to begin with. But once he made it, I responded. I never expected to compare the two. You might want to direct your question to the guy that made the comparison for our discussion.
Again...you took it to an absurd level.
Look, people can pimp this guy all they want, but he got sacked 7 times. SEVEN. Now, that's not good, no matter how you slice it. All off season long I had to listen to the Hoorta army talk about how bad last year's OL was. So what do you call 7 sacks? Building for the future? What future? Orthapedic joints?
And even with those 7 sacks....he still led his offense to more points on that day than BR did...on that day. (remember, it was the punt block that was the difference in the game)
People are projecting bullshit, all on a positive spion. Losing by 3 Sunday means we are on the verge of being better than the Steelers? No, it doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean jack fucking shit. he Steelers played a very conservative game. They took very few risks because they knew they didn't have to. he planned to play soft, easy and calculated knowing that the Browns don't have playmakers. The Steelers beat us last year, last game of the season, by 3 points.
Go back and look at the threads. People posting how THIS was an Omen. Conjecturing that with all the picks we have coming and the maturity of the young guys, we would pound the Steelers opening day. Bullshit, we lost by 3 then, we added all this talent? And we still lost by 3. The Steelers played us much like a big kid plays with a little kid. Let him get close, don't hurt yourself, don't give away your hand, and then squash them at the end.
I think you are reading far more into what people say than is really there. You think that these people are proclaiming that Kizer was sent by God to deliver us from hell fire and damnation. You WANT to see that others want to proclaim him to be the Messiah or something. What I see are simply some football fans being optimistic that this kid may turn out to be a good QB. Yet you want to cast him into the role of Lucifer.
Lighten the Fuck Up, Francis. It was one football game by a rookie QB. You act as if the 7 sacks were the 7 plagues sent by God. Jesus H. freeking Christ....get some perspective, will you.
If people here believe that 7 sacks is not the biggest issue of this team, then they are idiots. If this guy gets hit that many times every game, he isn't going to to last long. You know it, and I know it. The problem remains, the Browns have scarce talent at the most important positions on the field. QB, WR, RB and TE. Seven sacks is a problem. he Ravens could get 10.
See what I mean? I mean do you have a name for each of these 7 Sacks? Frogs, locusts, boils, water turned to blood, firey hail, wild animals, darkness.
What happens if he throws for many TDs and wins a game......instead of the Black Tarkenton....you will have to call him the Black Moses.
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A little pointless to bicker about what might or might not happen. When he leads the Browns to the playoffs or beyond there will be plenty of time to gloat.
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too much irrational negativism on this board. Makes no sense, not entertaining, just mostly garbage.
the steelers were scared as hell of the Browns new aggressive, talented front seven. They were getting rid
of the ball instantly if possible, and that is with an allpro wr. The Browns slapped the squealer running game
into the turf, and would have won the game if that blocked punt had rolled out of bounds.
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too much irrational negativism on this board. Makes no sense, not entertaining, just mostly garbage.
the steelers were scared as hell of the Browns new aggressive, talented front seven. They were getting rid
of the ball instantly if possible, and that is with an allpro wr. The Browns slapped the squealer running game
into the turf, and would have won the game if that blocked punt had rolled out of bounds.
too much irrational negativism on this board. Makes no sense, not entertaining, just mostly garbage.
the steelers were scared as hell of the Browns new aggressive, talented front seven. They were getting rid
of the ball instantly if possible, and that is with an allpro wr. The Browns slapped the squealer running game
into the turf, and would have won the game if that blocked punt had rolled out of bounds.
Boy....you make another good point... If you noticed, when the punt was blocked it was headed straight for the back of the end zone. Had it just continued straight it would have gone out of the back of the end zone for a safety...and only 2 points for the Squibs. Instead, it took a direct, sharp left turn and stayed in the end zone, allowing the Steelers to fall on it for a TD. They gained an extra 5 points on very, very lucky bounce of the ball.
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Our Rookie QB was the 14th rated QB for this past Weekend :
How ya'll feel about ?
Feels like he's got his Game Manager on and ended up statistically lumped in with a bunch of them.
So sorry.... I guess we simply didn't get the memo that one game makes or breaks an entire NFL career.
Well... try to keep up... not going to carry your ass the entire season...
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For any interested Kizer's all-22 cutdown is on youtube...
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Please, just let the best QB play.
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Please, just let the best QB play.
Who would that be?
And I'm curious what you thought of the Browns releasing Joe Haden?
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