Kizer

Tour2ma

For any interested Kizer's all-22 cutdown is on youtube...

PoeticG

Please, just let the best QB play.

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

For any interested Kizer's all-22 cutdown is on youtube...

You magnificent son of a bitch.

Dutch Oven

@poeticg said:

Please, just let the best QB play.

Who would that be?

And I'm curious what you thought of the Browns releasing Joe Haden?

D Bone

@poeticg said:

Please, just let the best QB play.

This must have been a dark day in the PoG household................

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2013/09/bernie_kosar_benched_bill_beli.html

Ghoolie

@westside-steve said:

A little pointless to bicker about what might or might not happen. When he leads the Browns to the playoffs or beyond there will be plenty of time to gloat.

WSS

Exactly. The guy hasn't done shit. He got his dumb ass sacked 7 times and the BIGGEST offensive weapon was the Steeler penalties. some of them, total bullshit.

Ibleedbrown

@tour2ma said:

For any interested Kizer's all-22 cutdown is on youtube...

After watching it really looked like the protection was overmatched on many plays. If they weren't crashing up the middle it was around the edge. Maybe partly because Kizer hung on to the ball and didn't process quickly enough, but it didn't look like the Steelers sent the house on very many plays.

Dutch Oven

@ghoolie said:

Exactly. The guy hasn't done shit. He got his dumb ass sacked 7 times and the BIGGEST offensive weapon was the Steeler penalties. some of them, total bullshit.

You really, really need to get some kind of social interaction in your life. Basically begging for attention on an internet message board is kind of sad.

browns52

@fairhooker11 said:

didnt see much pass rush either - although run stopping was real good

take the punt block td away and .....

you can't take the punt block away,,,,,it really happened...honest to gosh, i saw it, a great play by the steeler specials team...you speak the same shit like most of these dreamers on this board...ooo ooo oooo if only this, ooo ooo ooo if only that...for 20 yrs now...ooo ooo ooo if only we didn't commit those 15 penalties...pffft...

Ghoolie

@dutch-oven said:

You really, really need to get some kind of social interaction in your life. Basically begging for attention on an internet message board is kind of sad.

Go fuck yourself with your attention bullshit. You Millennial homosexuals are posting all over here, having a circle jerk about how good the Browns looked, and with all this improved OL, Greg Williams and Kizer, and the Browns are still a loser, by the same margin they lost by last January. This is progress? Now shit? SO much progress that the Browns are one of the biggest, if not the biggest underdog Sunday.

I haven't posted all day, and you blowjobs are crying about my posts. Does your boyfriend know what a cunt you are?

Ghoolie

@browns52 said:

you can't take the punt block away,,,,,it really happened...honest to gosh, i saw it, a great play by the steeler specials team...you speak the same shit like most of these dreamers on this board...ooo ooo oooo if only this, ooo ooo ooo if only that...for 20 yrs now...ooo ooo ooo if only we didn't commit those 15 penalties...pffft...

Not only that, but I called this before the draft even happened. This is what these cocksuckers do. THe watch the Browns lose and then pick out all the shit that caused them to lose and say " If not for that play............. If not for that call...............If he makes that catch............................ If he doesn't make that catch..........

Fuck man, if just for all the points scored against the Browns last year, they would have won the division.

How about this.............................If not for all the Steeler penalties, the Browns would have been even more ineffective on offense. Take away the "dirty" Steeler hits and you have a 35 - 10 ballgame. The Browns are not improved. THey don't hit, they don't make plays, and their QB got sacked 7 times. Oh yeah.....that is really progress towards something good.

Idiots.

Dutch Oven

@ghoolie said:

Go fuck yourself with your attention bullshit. You Millennial homosexuals are posting all over here, having a circle jerk about how good the Browns looked, and with all this improved OL, Greg Williams and Kizer, and the Browns are still a loser, by the same margin they lost by last January. This is progress? Now shit? SO much progress that the Browns are one of the biggest, if not the biggest underdog Sunday.

I haven't posted all day, and you blowjobs are crying about my posts. Does your boyfriend know what a cunt you are?

Looks like I hit a nerve. Methinks I'm on to something. And with all the over-the-top gay slurs, I think it's probably not a stretch to assume that Ghoolie not only suffers a crippling need for attention, he's probably overcompensating with the gay-bashing because he's ashamed of his own same-sex preferences, you know, because he's such a "Christian".

And I was born in 1975, Gramps.

Ghoolie

@dutch-oven said:

Looks like I hit a nerve. Methinks I'm on to something. And with all the over-the-top gay slurs, I think it's probably not a stretch to assume that Ghoolie not only suffers a crippling need for attention, he's probably overcompensating with the gay-bashing because he's ashamed of his own same-sex preferences, you know, because he's such a "Christian".

And I was born in 1975, Gramps.

Yeah man, you are fucking brilliant. A real Einstink. Imagine, Ghoolie cussing at a fucktard. WOW....you really hit a nerve their sparky. Good one.

Fucking moron.

Dutch Oven

@boo-fagley said:

Im very disappointed in Ghoolie.

He has turned into a pajama boy down there in Memphis. Afraid to bet and lose his Starbucks allowance for the month. His wife likely wears the pants in the Ghoolie household and Ghoolie does as he is told. Does all the grocery shopping and some of the domestic chores like washing clothes and scrubbing the toilets. In turn, Ghoolie gets to watch 1 football game a week in its entirety. Good thing that Ghoolie isn't a Buckeyes fan because he would be shit out of luck.

I do not want to cause a rift in your marriage Ghoolie after your wife discovers the $35 dollars missing as payment from our bet.

Imagine the rift in his marriage when she finds out that her "Christian" husband craves a 20 year old boy on Tinder to toss his salad. SCANDALOUS!

Tour2ma

For those that want some quick and easy study, here's a series of pauseable gifs in a tweet showing the good and bad of a rookie QB on a learning curve.

One note to watch for is when Kizer does go to and acquire a 2ndary target his accuracy suffers.

https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/907637798299037696

Oh... and I owe an apology... I think to jiggins. The Williams pass was not impossibly out of bounds. But it would have required the WR to turn. Either to take the ball over his other, his outside shoulder or turnaround OBJ style for a one-hander. Either way a very tough catch on a ball without a lot of air under it/ adjustment time.

tiamat63

Couple things on Kizer there moving from his primary to his secondary that are an issue.

One glarring play that I saw was the 5 man pressure that got Njoku singled up in the middle - instead of squaring off his route and boxing out the defender, he continued to work on leverage and broke late. You could see Deshone peak back for him and he wasn't there.

Orion

Kizer may or may not be our QB of the future. He's only played one nfl regular season game.

He DID hold the ball too long at times...but that was because he wanted to complete a pass. He wasn't just looking to run like the predicted Black Tarkenton. I've got to give him credit for staying with the play. He'll have to learn to let it fly to the open guy and not look for someone else open deeper. And he'll have to learn to throw it away properly (which he DID throw a pass or two away).

What I truly liked about what I saw from him was that he DID NOT look like a 21 year old kid that was out of his league. The game did NOT look too big for him. He looked in control and under composure. He directed players to where they needed to be. Did he lose track of the play clock once or twice? Sure. Did he throw a couple of ill advised passes? Yes. (everyone does however)

Again, I cannot say that he'll be our next Bernie Kosar. But he didn't do anything to make me think that he can't.

Kvoethe

Squeelers played almost all zone on D fwiw

Ghoolie

@boo-fagley said:

No, Ghoolie is a christian for real.

Just not the typical ones you see on the church channel.

Thanks Boo.................. You know, there is only one requirement to be a Christian. You must believe with every fiber, unflappably, and without exception, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that he is the only way to Salvation.

Being a Christian does not require that you fart daffodils, speak in rainbows and not swear. In fact, there are murderers, rapists, child molesters, theives, whores and every other manner of man in heaven. What you will NOT find in heaven? A Mulsim, an Atheist, a Hindu, Buddhist, or even a Jew, although Jews are God's chosen people. How confusing this must be to the masses? Ghoolie is a Jew hater? Not at all, I would die for Israel...............that is what being a Christian demands. Nonetheless, Jews that do not accept Christ as the Son of God, as from the mouth of Jesus, ill be sent to hell.

And in his life, God never chose to promote his word, the goody-two shoes "Christian type" church goer that you correctly distance me from. He chose rough, rugged people who were not nice. Take a look.....

Abraham -Was old.
Elijah – Was suicidal.
Joseph – Was abused.
Job – Went bankrupt.
Moses – Had a speech problem.
Gideon – Was afraid.
Samson – Was a womanizer.
Rahab – Was a prostitute.
Samaritan Woman – Divorced.
Noah – Was a Drunk.
Jeremiah – Was young.
Jacob – Was a cheater.
David – Was a murderer.
Jonah – Ran from God.
Naomi – Was a widow.
Peter – Denied Christ three times, and was quick to temper
Martha – Worried about everything.
Zacchaeus – Was small and money hungry.
The Disciples – Fell asleep while praying.
Paul – A Pharisee who persecuted Christians before becoming one.

Me? While i have never once in my life denied Christ, and in fact suffered great public attack for my stance in the media for not tolerating any pagan religious, my Pastor and Christian friends describe me as Peter-like. Quick to draw my sword. For sure my manner can be acerbic. However, I am the most forgiving and accepting man you would ever want to meet in public.

Very few study the Bible. Very few really understand what Christianity is. Most have images of the Brady bunch or some such horseshit. Christians are sinners. They are imperfect. A couple things before I leave this digression...............

For people like Gipper who I imagine will be prone to pull out the " Judge not lest ye be judged" scripture to condemn MY condemnation of the pagan religions I talked about. That is not what Christ was referring to when he advised about judging. Christ himself condemned all pagan religions. The judging Christ spoke of was looking at man ( like me) who didn't fit the image that one might like, and judging that person's worth. As in judging someone because of skin color, disease, weight, etc. etc..

Finally, many believe that Christ was accepting of all people, all thoughts, all habits and all beliefs. They believe that Christ believed all cultures should get along and live in harmony. In fact, Christ not only never said this, he actually said quite the opposite. Matther 10:34 is something liberals, democrats and pagans never quote, and don't want to face.

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Jesus is not Ghandi. Jesus is not Rodney King. Jesus does not subscribe to Hippie beliefs or Michael Jackson's horse manure " We Are The World". To those who think Christ was a proponent of " Can't we all get along?" You are morons. If Christ was so tolerant of perverted bullshit.............why do you imagine he was murdered? It was because he brought a sword. It as because he DIDN'T accept pagan beliefs, homosexuality, abortion, and the kind of self importance that men think his planet Earth needs human help to survive.

As far as my wife goes............unlike most of your wives, my wife knows me as I am. I hold no secrets, I don't pretend to be a goody two shoes in her presences, and then gawk at women in Vegas when she isn't looking. Whatever it is that I am, you get it in your face, 100%. In person, on this goofy screen or wherever the hell else I am. Believe me, I am one imperfect sonofabitch, and when Christ looks down on me, he surely shakes his head.................HOWEVER..........that part about "if you deny me on earth, I will deny you when you come to be judged?" I got it covered 100%. I know Christ to be the Son of God. I know God to have created every living thing and every other thing. I know that he created life on Earth, and that's it.

So, if one of you pipsqueek pagan ass clowns want to talk about my faith, drop me a PM or an e-mail. I don't need to hear your convoluted, perverted, misguided bullshit about faith in this goofy place.

Ghoolie

@orion said:

<<Kizer may or may not be our QB of the future. He's only played one nfl regular season game.>>

He holds the ball too long. That is inbred. No amount of coaching can change a person's synapse response. This is neurological response time. Dimwits don't become Dan Marino. I told you before the draft Kizer holds the ball too long. Do you imagine that if Ghoolie saw this, that his high school and college coaches have not also seen it and tried to change it? A leopard cannot change its spots. Kizer will always hold the ball too long.

<<He DID hold the ball too long at times...>>

Shazaam, you agree with me.

<<but that was because he wanted to complete a pass.>>

So, you have the ability to read his mind?

<<He wasn't just looking to run like the predicted Black Tarkenton.>>

NO, it was EXACTLY because he is a black Tarkenton. He has no concept of getting rid of the ball. When the play was not there, he didn't do like Ben, did he? He didn't instinctively scramble to buy more time and help the receivers to get open. No,no. no, because he IS a Black Tarkenton, his deer in the headlights, dimwitted side came out, and he got sacked or threw dumb passes. Remember, he is not a scrambler, per se, he is a run-first QB who needs recievers to be open like you would find in a pickup game. Make no mistake, I recognize him as being very athletically gifted. He WILL make some great plays, I have no doubt. What he WON'T do is provide a dependable, steady hand to develop a well oiled offense.

<<I've got to give him credit for staying with the play. He'll have to learn to let it fly to the open guy and not look for someone else open deeper. And he'll have to learn to throw it away properly (which he DID throw a pass or two away).>>

I never called him a chicken, The kid is gutsy. As far as your telling us what he'll have to learn to do, let me explain something to you Lucy. It is easy for you to watch the wide screen view on TV and make these kind of comments. It is a totally different thing to be on the field with some of the biggest, fastest, hardest hitting cats on Earth who are hunting for your head. This part of the QB skill set is instinctive. A guy either has it or he doesn't. Kizer is not cool under pressure because he doesn't have the neurological quickness of a Ben, Marino, Montana, etc., that nature takes over. This part of the game is NOT mechanical. It happens on the spur of the moment, no two plays are ever alike. There is no classroom lesson to teach these kind of improvisational, survival skills.

<<What I truly liked about what I saw from him was that he DID NOT look like a 21 year old kid that was out of his league. The game did NOT look too big for him. He looked in control and under composure. He directed players to where they needed to be. Did he lose track of the play clock once or twice? Sure.>>

I have no quarrel with this. But Weeden, Hogan, Couch, Frye and other duds we had were also very comfortable behind center. Being comfortable isn't afeature that spells QB success. It is a pre-requisite to play the position. Starting QBs, good and bad have that quality.

<<Did he throw a couple of ill advised passes? Yes. (everyone does however)>>

I find no fault with him for that. His problem is that he holds the fucking ball too long and has no clue what to do when the play is stagnant. He can't be taught instincts. Nobody ever taught Ben how to move around and buy time. Nobody taught him how to think quickly.

<<Again, I cannot say that he'll be our next Bernie Kosar. But he didn't do anything to make me think that he can't.>>

Bernie Kosar shits faster than Kizer-ton thinks. Kosar sliced defenses from day one. When he was young, teams couldn't touch him. Chuck Noll once complained that no matter what blitzes he cam up with, Kosar would be rid of the ball before anyone could get to him. And remember, Bernie was clumsy and very slow. Poster, I knew Bernie Kosar, and Kizer is no Kosar.