Deshone Kizer's All-22 tape vs. Pit

Tour2ma

Kizer's play is currently programmed. He's not processing... not in the pocket anyway. That may yet come... or not.

Meanwhile we (Hue) need to get him moving... some designed rolls and PAP Bootlegs, if we get a run game going. When he moves, he scans. Then we have to hope future opponents are not as disciplined with their pass rush as PTG was so Kizer can bail and get on the move himself.

Accuracy-wise... time with his receivers hopefully is enough to reduce his acquisition time. Right now he is only reliably accurate if he has locked onto his target long enough to gauge their speed and path.

No one said it'd be easy... or fast...

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:

All in all not bad for a rookie in his first start that does not have a Zeke or a Dallas line.

Well, I think the Browns OL will be one of the best in the game.

But what Kizer has to learn to do...that he did not do....is to learn to use his version of Zeke......Duke Johnson. I suggest...and by the way, so did Hue Jackson and so did DeShon Kizer, that Kizer did not know to go to his checkdown receiver. 3-4 of those sacks could have been avoided if he had thought about doing the checkdown. You don't want to go crazy using the checkdown (a la Kessler)...but it is a very viable option on a number of plays.

After all....the point of the Forward Pass in football is to get the ball into the hands of your pass catchers, not to keep it in your own hands.

TexasAg1969

@the-gipper said:

Well, I think the Browns OL will be one of the best in the game.

But what Kizer has to learn to do...that he did not do....is to learn to use his version of Zeke......Duke Johnson. I suggest...and by the way, so did Hue Jackson and so did DeShon Kizer, that Kizer did not know to go to his checkdown receiver. 3-4 of those sacks could have been avoided if he had thought about doing the checkdown. You don't want to go crazy using the checkdown (a la Kessler)...but it is a very viable option on a number of plays.

After all....the point of the Forward Pass in football is to get the ball into the hands of your pass catchers, not to keep it in your own hands.

No argument there.

Tour2ma

Before you can use you have to find.

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Before you can use you have to find.

Before you find you have to look.

LondonBrown

Some more analysis here

http://theundefeated.com/features/foxworth-all-22-nfl-week-1-impressed-with-cleveland-browns-rookie-qb-deshone-kizer/

Tour2ma

@londonbrown said:

Some more analysis here

http://theundefeated.com/features/foxworth-all-22-nfl-week-1-impressed-with-cleveland-browns-rookie-qb-deshone-kizer/

Saw that over at reddit...

Still not seeing many of his takes, but as I am going back through the game tape I am seeing more "looking around" than I remember from the live viewing. However, Kizer appears to be looking for clearly open targets vs. reading what the D is giving... or about to give. So a form of "going thru progressions" is occurring, but it's foundational at best.

Other disturbing trend emerging is the amount of time Kizer needs his eyes on his target to make an accurate throw. More time with his #1's hopefully shortens this and should be the first "improvement" in the queue.

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

Saw that over at reddit...

Still not seeing many of his takes, but as I am going back through the game tape I am seeing more "looking around" than I remember from the live viewing. However, Kizer appears to be looking for clearly open targets vs. reading what the D is giving... or about to give. So a form of "going thru progressions" is occurring, but it's foundational at best.

Other disturbing trend emerging is the amount of time Kizer needs his eyes on his target to make an accurate throw. More time with his #1's hopefully shortens this and should be the first "improvement" in the queue.

Like I mentioned in the other thread @ 2:30 was a point for me where I saw a young QB check a safety and anticipate his receiver squaring off his route with (pretty damn sure it's) Njoku.

jiggins7919

It's funny, we appear to have the opposite of Kessler. I was just thinking, "Well, if he just threw it to the check down guy right away, we would've gotten 8 yards instead of the sack!" And that might be true, but how many TOUCHDOWNS would we lose out on? I guess it's kind of a tricky balance to achieve, and not one likely to be figured out in a rookie season. The GOOD news is that Kizer definitely looks down the field, and by doing so, gives us the CHANCE to make a big play. That sounds good to me.

Tour2ma

@tiamat63 said:

Like I mentioned in the other thread @ 2:30 was a point for me where I saw a young QB check a safety and anticipate his receiver squaring off his route with (pretty damn sure it's) Njoku.

First for me was him checking to see that Haden had left the short zone following Britt before throwing that out to Njoku on 3rd and long.

Time for me to crank up the camera for some photos of what I'm seeing...

@jiggins7919 said:

It's funny, we appear to have the opposite of Kessler. I was just thinking, "Well, if he just threw it to the check down guy right away, we would've gotten 8 yards instead of the sack!" And that might be true, but how many TOUCHDOWNS would we lose out on? I guess it's kind of a tricky balance to achieve, and not one likely to be figured out in a rookie season. The GOOD news is that Kizer definitely looks down the field, and by doing so, gives us the CHANCE to make a big play. That sounds good to me.

Yup... I always felt that Kess saw the deeper stuff, but just turned it down... quickly. That;'s teh conservative play that got him benched last year and dropped to 3rd string this year.

Kizer's conservatism is a different animal. He'll stay with his deep primary and then err on the side of eating the ball rather than make a 2ndary misread.