Who was the best defensive player on the browns last sunday?
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His sacks were on kizer holding the ball for 10 minutes. I watched tj and he's a heck of a player, but he's not garett. If ben held the ball as long as kizer did our guys would have had 10 sacks. Our pass rush without garrett was in bens face for 3 quarters. Steelers edge rushers got to kizer after the normal timer which is 3-4 seconds, so im not gonna get excited about sacks that happened 7-10 seconds after the snap.
So wait..............you say that Kizer holds the fucking ball too long as a way to say the the Steelers edge rusher ( WHo is FAR FAR FAR better than Garrett) and this is good.
HOWEVER............... I say ( I said BEFORE THE DRAFT) that Kizer hols the fucking ball too long............... and I am trolling?
WTF is wrong with Browns fans?
So wait..............you say that Kizer holds the fucking ball too long as a way to say the the Steelers edge rusher ( WHo is FAR FAR FAR better than Garrett) and this is good.
HOWEVER............... I say ( I said BEFORE THE DRAFT) that Kizer hols the fucking ball too long............... and I am trolling?
WTF is wrong with Browns fans?
You are allegedly one of them...that is what's wrong.
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His sacks were on kizer holding the ball for 10 minutes.
Uttter garbage. Watts first sack took roughly 3 seconds, his second was 7.
The rookie also performed well against Joe Thomas...once hip flipping Thomas to the turf.
Uttter garbage. Watts first sack took roughly 3 seconds, his second was 7.
The rookie also performed well against Joe Thomas...once hip flipping Thomas to the turf.
I wouldn't get all that excited. Of the 7 sacks...definitely 5 were as a result of Kizer holding the ball way too long. I don't know if Watt had one of the "legit" sacks. As for Watt getting the better of JT on one play....I would hold up on the scheduling the induction ceremonies just yet. Watt will be a good player I am sure, but call us when he makes 10 consecutive Pro Bowls the way JT did.
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Let's not overlook that watt had an interception also
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Let's not overlook that watt had an interception also
A good play, sure, but again, the primary fault of the rookie QB.
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Let's not overlook that watt had an interception also
Hard to... it was his most athletic play. Stretched to his puny 37"-vertical, short-little 33"-armed max...
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His sacks were on kizer holding the ball for 10 minutes. I watched tj and he's a heck of a player, but he's not garett. If ben held the ball as long as kizer did our guys would have had 10 sacks. Our pass rush without garrett was in bens face for 3 quarters. Steelers edge rushers got to kizer after the normal timer which is 3-4 seconds, so im not gonna get excited about sacks that happened 7-10 seconds after the snap.
So wait..............you say that Kizer holds the fucking ball too long as a way to say the the Steelers edge rusher ( WHo is FAR FAR FAR better than Garrett) and this is good.
HOWEVER............... I say ( I said BEFORE THE DRAFT) that Kizer hols the fucking ball too long............... and I am trolling?
WTF is wrong with Browns fans?
So wait..............you say that Kizer holds the fucking ball too long as a way to say the the Steelers edge rusher ( WHo is FAR FAR FAR better than Garrett) and this is good.
HOWEVER............... I say ( I said BEFORE THE DRAFT) that Kizer hols the fucking ball too long............... and I am trolling?
WTF is wrong with Browns fans?
I never questioned any assessment of urs regarding kizer, i never watched him in college so i couldnt have
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Let's not overlook that watt had an interception also
Nobodys overlooking watt dude. But if the steelers had the #1 pick do u honestly think garett would not be a steeler? Ofc he would be
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Watt tested about on par with Garrett physically and he was not injury prone
Ummm... no.
Height, 40 time and splits, and standing broad jump were comparable... and TJ actually edged Myles in the 10-yd split (1.59 to 1.64). Everything else is heavily in Myles' favor...
And everything equals: bench (33-21), vertical (41-37) and 3-cone (4.57-4.76). Plus there's weight (272-252) and arm-length (35.25-33.125).
Injury-wise TJ appeared in all of 22 games at Wisconsin and only started his final year. So I have no idea on his injury history... and neither do you. But we know Garrett's... 3-year starter... 34 games... missed one start.
Data's a bitch ain't it?
The rookie also performed well against Joe Thomas...once hip flipping Thomas to the turf.
So you're saying TJ held Joe... I'll look for that when I grade our OL.
Ummm... no.
Height, 40 time and splits, and standing broad jump were comparable... and TJ actually edged Myles in the 10-yd split (1.59 to 1.64). Everything else is heavily in Myles' favor...
And everything equals: bench (33-21), vertical (41-37) and 3-cone (4.57-4.76). Plus there's weight (272-252) and arm-length (35.25-33.125).
Injury-wise TJ appeared in all of 22 games at Wisconsin and only started his final year. So I have no idea on his injury history... and neither do you. But we know Garrett's... 3-year starter... 34 games... missed one start.
Data's a bitch ain't it?
myles 2016 season was plagued with an ankle injury that limited his production, myles had an unknown injury at the beginning of training camp and another ankle tweak mid preseason and another injury that is making him sit out for the next month. tj has had double knee surgery in his playing career and nothing since.
Myles is injury prone but has the physical skills and talent to overcome that in college, Not so much in the nfl. That is the current perception and is true UNTIL proven otherwise.
As to their physical traits being vastly different i refer to the fact both athletes are top 5 percentile edge rushers in the nfl currently. Myles with a Sparq of 149.3 and TJ with a Sparq of 142.0, Mathmatically a less than 5% difference. I'll also point out that they play different positions Linebacker and DE, Am I suggesting we screwed up by not taking TJ at #1 overall? Hell no! Myles has a ton of potential if he can catch a break and shake the injury bug. Am i suggusting we may have made a mistake not taking him at #27 rather than Njoku? Probably
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Ummm... no.
Height, 40 time and splits, and standing broad jump were comparable... and TJ actually edged Myles in the 10-yd split (1.59 to 1.64). Everything else is heavily in Myles' favor...
And everything equals: bench (33-21), vertical (41-37) and 3-cone (4.57-4.76). Plus there's weight (272-252) and arm-length (35.25-33.125).
Injury-wise TJ appeared in all of 22 games at Wisconsin and only started his final year. So I have no idea on his injury history... and neither do you. But we know Garrett's... 3-year starter... 34 games... missed one start.
Data's a bitch ain't it?
myles 2016 season was plagued with an ankle injury that limited his production, myles had an unknown injury at the beginning of training camp and another ankle tweak mid preseason and another injury that is making him sit out for the next month. tj has had double knee surgery in his playing career and nothing since.
Myles is injury prone but has the physical skills and talent to overcome that in college, Not so much in the nfl. That is the current perception and is true UNTIL proven otherwise.
As to their physical traits being vastly different i refer to the fact both athletes are top 5 percentile edge rushers in the nfl currently. Myles with a Sparq of 149.3 and TJ with a Sparq of 142.0, Mathmatically a less than 5% difference. I'll also point out that they play different positions Linebacker and DE, Am I suggesting we screwed up by not taking TJ at #1 overall? Hell no! Myles has a ton of potential if he can catch a break and shake the injury bug. Am i suggusting we may have made a mistake not taking him at #27 rather than Njoku? Probably
myles 2016 season was plagued with an ankle injury that limited his production, myles had an unknown injury at the beginning of training camp and another ankle tweak mid preseason and another injury that is making him sit out for the next month. tj has had double knee surgery in his playing career and nothing since.
Myles is injury prone but has the physical skills and talent to overcome that in college, Not so much in the nfl. That is the current perception and is true UNTIL proven otherwise.
As to their physical traits being vastly different i refer to the fact both athletes are top 5 percentile edge rushers in the nfl currently. Myles with a Sparq of 149.3 and TJ with a Sparq of 142.0, Mathmatically a less than 5% difference. I'll also point out that they play different positions Linebacker and DE, Am I suggesting we screwed up by not taking TJ at #1 overall? Hell no! Myles has a ton of potential if he can catch a break and shake the injury bug. Am i suggusting we may have made a mistake not taking him at #27 rather than Njoku? Probably
So? Trubisky then?
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Probably a better reply than I deserved, but I don't speak "sparq"...
Position-wise... one is a 4-3 DE and the other a 3-4 LB. Watt may have the chops to play in a 4-3, but that's not a given. If I take a LB in place of Njoku, his name would have been Foster.
Again one injury in three years of college ball does not "injury-prone" make... and none in one does not make a player bulletproof. That we'll simply have to disagree upon...
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Reality is myles could prob play right now. Browns are avoiding the big clowney like multi year ordeal by shutting him down
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everybody making excuses for why watt had a great game and was named defensive rookie of the week, but if glass garrett had those stats we would be fitting him with a bronze bust in Canton already.
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Ummm... no.
Height, 40 time and splits, and standing broad jump were comparable... and TJ actually edged Myles in the 10-yd split (1.59 to 1.64). Everything else is heavily in Myles' favor...
And everything equals: bench (33-21), vertical (41-37) and 3-cone (4.57-4.76). Plus there's weight (272-252) and arm-length (35.25-33.125).
Injury-wise TJ appeared in all of 22 games at Wisconsin and only started his final year. So I have no idea on his injury history... and neither do you. But we know Garrett's... 3-year starter... 34 games... missed one start.
Data's a bitch ain't it?
myles 2016 season was plagued with an ankle injury that limited his production, myles had an unknown injury at the beginning of training camp and another ankle tweak mid preseason and another injury that is making him sit out for the next month. tj has had double knee surgery in his playing career and nothing since.
Myles is injury prone but has the physical skills and talent to overcome that in college, Not so much in the nfl. That is the current perception and is true UNTIL proven otherwise.
As to their physical traits being vastly different i refer to the fact both athletes are top 5 percentile edge rushers in the nfl currently. Myles with a Sparq of 149.3 and TJ with a Sparq of 142.0, Mathmatically a less than 5% difference. I'll also point out that they play different positions Linebacker and DE, Am I suggesting we screwed up by not taking TJ at #1 overall? Hell no! Myles has a ton of potential if he can catch a break and shake the injury bug. Am i suggusting we may have made a mistake not taking him at #27 rather than Njoku? Probably
Am i suggusting we may have made a mistake not taking him at #27 rather than Njoku? Probably
I'd have taken Foster over Watt any day of the week.
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everybody making excuses for why watt had a great game and was named defensive rookie of the week, but if glass garrett had those stats we would be fitting him with a bronze bust in Canton already.
everybody making excuses for why watt had a great game and was named defensive rookie of the week, but if glass garrett had those stats we would be fitting him with a bronze bust in Canton already.
Not if his sacks came on ben holding the ball as long as kizer did. Some of us have an eye for these things.
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Am i suggusting we may have made a mistake not taking him at #27 rather than Njoku? Probably
I'd have taken Foster over Watt any day of the week.
I'd have taken Foster over Watt any day of the week.
In hindsight schobert is so far proving himself.....but i agree why would we take a 3-4 olb'er?
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It pisses me off to no end when these teams at the bottom of the draft get these players that are better than what we take at the top of the draft.
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It pisses me off to no end when these teams at the bottom of the draft get these players that are better than what we take at the top of the draft.
It pisses me off to no end when these teams at the bottom of the draft get these players that are better than what we take at the top of the draft.
It's only Week 1... better pace yourself.
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