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Who was the best defensive player on the browns last sunday?

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  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #34

    Reality is myles could prob play right now. Browns are avoiding the big clowney like multi year ordeal by shutting him down

  • TopDawg31T TopDawg31 wrote on
    #35

    everybody making excuses for why watt had a great game and was named defensive rookie of the week, but if glass garrett had those stats we would be fitting him with a bronze bust in Canton already.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #36

    Watt excuses?

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  • C CaineDeSoulis

    @tour2ma said:

    Ummm... no.

    Height, 40 time and splits, and standing broad jump were comparable... and TJ actually edged Myles in the 10-yd split (1.59 to 1.64). Everything else is heavily in Myles' favor...

    And everything equals: bench (33-21), vertical (41-37) and 3-cone (4.57-4.76). Plus there's weight (272-252) and arm-length (35.25-33.125).

    Injury-wise TJ appeared in all of 22 games at Wisconsin and only started his final year. So I have no idea on his injury history... and neither do you. But we know Garrett's... 3-year starter... 34 games... missed one start.

    Data's a bitch ain't it?

    myles 2016 season was plagued with an ankle injury that limited his production, myles had an unknown injury at the beginning of training camp and another ankle tweak mid preseason and another injury that is making him sit out for the next month. tj has had double knee surgery in his playing career and nothing since.

    Myles is injury prone but has the physical skills and talent to overcome that in college, Not so much in the nfl. That is the current perception and is true UNTIL proven otherwise.

    As to their physical traits being vastly different i refer to the fact both athletes are top 5 percentile edge rushers in the nfl currently. Myles with a Sparq of 149.3 and TJ with a Sparq of 142.0, Mathmatically a less than 5% difference. I'll also point out that they play different positions Linebacker and DE, Am I suggesting we screwed up by not taking TJ at #1 overall? Hell no! Myles has a ton of potential if he can catch a break and shake the injury bug. Am i suggusting we may have made a mistake not taking him at #27 rather than Njoku? Probably
     

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #37

    @cainedesoulis said:

    Am i suggusting we may have made a mistake not taking him at #27 rather than Njoku? Probably
     

    I'd have taken Foster over Watt any day  of the week.

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  • TopDawg31T TopDawg31

    everybody making excuses for why watt had a great game and was named defensive rookie of the week, but if glass garrett had those stats we would be fitting him with a bronze bust in Canton already.

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #38

    @topdawg31 said:

    everybody making excuses for why watt had a great game and was named defensive rookie of the week, but if glass garrett had those stats we would be fitting him with a bronze bust in Canton already.

    Not if his sacks came on ben holding the ball as long as kizer did. Some of us have an eye for these things. 

  • T TexasAg1969

    @cainedesoulis said:

    Am i suggusting we may have made a mistake not taking him at #27 rather than Njoku? Probably
     

    I'd have taken Foster over Watt any day  of the week.

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #39

    @texasag1969 said:

    I'd have taken Foster over Watt any day  of the week.

    In hindsight schobert is so far proving himself.....but i agree why would we take a 3-4 olb'er?

  • TopDawg31T TopDawg31 wrote on
    #40

    It pisses me off to no end when these teams at the bottom of the draft get these players that are better than what we take at the top of the draft.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on
    #41

    I thought that Nassib did very good as he always has. I liked what I saw from Showtime, he's really impressing me this year. I liked him last year but I didn't like him as an outside LB. In the middle though?> Damn he's fire. 

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  • TopDawg31T TopDawg31

    It pisses me off to no end when these teams at the bottom of the draft get these players that are better than what we take at the top of the draft.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #42

    @topdawg31 said:

    It pisses me off to no end when these teams at the bottom of the draft get these players that are better than what we take at the top of the draft.

    It's only Week 1... better pace yourself.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @topdawg31 said:

    It pisses me off to no end when these teams at the bottom of the draft get these players that are better than what we take at the top of the draft.

    It's only Week 1... better pace yourself.

    TopDawg31T TopDawg31 wrote on
    #43

    @tour2ma said:

    It's only Week 1... better pace yourself.

    My first chance to vent, not sure I'm done yet.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #44

    lol... we're not getting any younger...

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  • TopDawg31T TopDawg31

    @tour2ma said:

    It's only Week 1... better pace yourself.

    My first chance to vent, not sure I'm done yet.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #45

    @topdawg31 said:

    My first chance to vent, not sure I'm done yet.

    You're venting over a player who has yet to play a game? Premature ejaculation still a problem? (there is more than one meaning to the word).😁

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @topdawg31 said:

    Let's not overlook that watt had an interception also

    A good play, sure, but again, the primary fault of the rookie QB.

    StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on
    #46

    @the-gipper said:

    A good play, sure, but again, the primary fault of the rookie QB.

    Against a rookie LB...

  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #47

    Look i like that watt kid, if we had stayed in the 3-4 i woyldnt have been adverse to taking him. But he's not his brother, not even close. So we need to calm down a bit. JJ in his prime was pretty much one of THE most physically gifted DL the NFL has EVER seen. This panic that the steelers got the next JJ is right now completely unfounded. He's a high motor kid line his brother so he's going to make scrappy plays if some dumbass qb holds the ball too long. He's not tearing through IL like his brother was from day one.

    Last sunday nassib was far more in roethlisbergers vicinity than watt was in kizers. But because we have a rookie qb and a struggling OL when watt did get close he was able to make a play. On at least 4-5 plays off the top of my head i know that nassib was a cunt hair from grabbing hold of roethlisberger. Its bens pocket awareness that kept our pressure from sacking him, but he was still getting rid of the ball way earlier than he wanted. 

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @cainedesoulis said:

    Watt tested about on par with Garrett physically and he was not injury prone 

    Ummm... no.

    Height, 40 time and splits, and standing broad jump were comparable... and TJ actually edged Myles in the 10-yd split (1.59 to 1.64). Everything else is heavily in Myles' favor...

    And everything equals: bench (33-21), vertical (41-37) and 3-cone (4.57-4.76). Plus there's weight (272-252) and arm-length (35.25-33.125).

    Injury-wise TJ appeared in all of 22 games at Wisconsin and only started his final year. So I have no idea on his injury history... and neither do you. But we know Garrett's... 3-year starter... 34 games... missed one start.

    Data's a bitch ain't it?

    @stinkhole said:

    The rookie also performed well against Joe Thomas...once hip flipping Thomas to the turf.

    So you're saying TJ held Joe... I'll look for that when I grade our OL.

    StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on
    #48

    @tour2ma said:

    So you're saying TJ held Joe... I'll look for that when I grade our OL.

    I'm not sure, maybe unnecessary roughness. He didn't have to flip him.

     I was going to post the video, but felt it would get deleted.

    But I'll give it a shot.

    Also, not sure why this is a freeze frame video.

    The lower black screen.

    http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/12/check-out-t-j-watt-with-the-sweet-hip-toss-on-joe-thomas/

  • C Clevfan4life

    Look i like that watt kid, if we had stayed in the 3-4 i woyldnt have been adverse to taking him. But he's not his brother, not even close. So we need to calm down a bit. JJ in his prime was pretty much one of THE most physically gifted DL the NFL has EVER seen. This panic that the steelers got the next JJ is right now completely unfounded. He's a high motor kid line his brother so he's going to make scrappy plays if some dumbass qb holds the ball too long. He's not tearing through IL like his brother was from day one.

    Last sunday nassib was far more in roethlisbergers vicinity than watt was in kizers. But because we have a rookie qb and a struggling OL when watt did get close he was able to make a play. On at least 4-5 plays off the top of my head i know that nassib was a cunt hair from grabbing hold of roethlisberger. Its bens pocket awareness that kept our pressure from sacking him, but he was still getting rid of the ball way earlier than he wanted. 

    StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on
    #49

    @clevfan4life said:

    Look i like that watt kid, if we had stayed in the 3-4 i woyldnt have been adverse to taking him. But he's not his brother, not even close.

    And who the fuck are you to make that call?

    According to JJ his little bro is light years ahead of him at this point in his career.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Probably a better reply than I deserved, but I don't speak "sparq"...

    Position-wise... one is a 4-3 DE and the other a 3-4 LB. Watt may have the chops to play in a 4-3, but that's not a given. If I take a LB in place of Njoku, his name would have been Foster.

    Again one injury in three years of college ball does not "injury-prone" make... and none in one does not make a player bulletproof. That we'll simply have to disagree upon...

    W wargograw wrote on
    #50

    @tour2ma said:

    Probably a better reply than I deserved, but I don't speak "sparq"...

    Position-wise... one is a 4-3 DE and the other a 3-4 LB. Watt may have the chops to play in a 4-3, but that's not a given. If I take a LB in place of Njoku, his name would have been Foster.

    Again one injury in three years of college ball does not "injury-prone" make... and none in one does not make a player bulletproof. That we'll simply have to disagree upon...

    That wasn't Garrett's only injury. They may not have kept him from starting, but he was/is most certainly injury prone. 

    @stinkhole said:

    I'm not sure, maybe unnecessary roughness. He didn't have to flip him.

     I was going to post the video, but felt it would get deleted.

    But I'll give it a shot.

    Also, not sure why this is a freeze frame video.

    The lower black screen.

    http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/12/check-out-t-j-watt-with-the-sweet-hip-toss-on-joe-thomas/

    I see a guy that did absolutely nothing to contribute to his team there. Congrats. 

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  • W wargograw

    @tour2ma said:

    Probably a better reply than I deserved, but I don't speak "sparq"...

    Position-wise... one is a 4-3 DE and the other a 3-4 LB. Watt may have the chops to play in a 4-3, but that's not a given. If I take a LB in place of Njoku, his name would have been Foster.

    Again one injury in three years of college ball does not "injury-prone" make... and none in one does not make a player bulletproof. That we'll simply have to disagree upon...

    That wasn't Garrett's only injury. They may not have kept him from starting, but he was/is most certainly injury prone. 

    @stinkhole said:

    I'm not sure, maybe unnecessary roughness. He didn't have to flip him.

     I was going to post the video, but felt it would get deleted.

    But I'll give it a shot.

    Also, not sure why this is a freeze frame video.

    The lower black screen.

    http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/12/check-out-t-j-watt-with-the-sweet-hip-toss-on-joe-thomas/

    I see a guy that did absolutely nothing to contribute to his team there. Congrats. 

    StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on
    #51

    @wargograw said:

    I see a guy that did absolutely nothing to contribute to his team there. Congrats. 

    So? Not really the point.

    If you call that not contributing, then you could find a player who did absolutely nothing to contribute on almost every play.

    I said Watt flipped Thomas. He presumed Thomas was held. I posted the video. 

    I'm sure that if an all pro Steeler O lineman got taken down Judo style by a browns rookie LB 70 lbs. lighter, your sentiments would be quite different.

    You'd make a thread about it.

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  • W wargograw

    @tour2ma said:

    Probably a better reply than I deserved, but I don't speak "sparq"...

    Position-wise... one is a 4-3 DE and the other a 3-4 LB. Watt may have the chops to play in a 4-3, but that's not a given. If I take a LB in place of Njoku, his name would have been Foster.

    Again one injury in three years of college ball does not "injury-prone" make... and none in one does not make a player bulletproof. That we'll simply have to disagree upon...

    That wasn't Garrett's only injury. They may not have kept him from starting, but he was/is most certainly injury prone. 

    @stinkhole said:

    I'm not sure, maybe unnecessary roughness. He didn't have to flip him.

     I was going to post the video, but felt it would get deleted.

    But I'll give it a shot.

    Also, not sure why this is a freeze frame video.

    The lower black screen.

    http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/12/check-out-t-j-watt-with-the-sweet-hip-toss-on-joe-thomas/

    I see a guy that did absolutely nothing to contribute to his team there. Congrats. 

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #52

    Tried playing the vid link, but no go for me...

    EDIT: Got it on 2nd attempt. Stop motion is just the series of shots taken by photographer with a healthy zoom lens.

    lol... well the play was over. TJ got face-planted and did not like it. You can't hip-flip without holding.

    On another note I'm not sure where the stated 70# weight differential is coming from. Joe doesn't play at 320+.

    @wargograw said:

    That wasn't Garrett's only injury. They may not have kept him from starting, but he was/is most certainly injury prone.

    As you are well aware, there is a difference between pain and injury. What besides the high-ankle sprain in year 3 affected his play?

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  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #53

    Odell Beckham had a high ankle sprain from their preseason game with the Browns....which was a month ago, and he still is not back on the field.  I suspect that Garrett will miss at least the first 4 games....maybe 6. 

    So...who was in there to "step up"?  Was that Orchard...or Nassib, a rotation of the two, or Holmes? Or someone else.  Whoever it was....they are likely going to have to go that route well into October.

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