What would you think of our top 3-4 picks going D
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Well, as I see it, the BPA and Position value arguments are married when it comes to the Browns:
BPA a QB....we need it
BPA a OL....we need it.
BPA a DL....we need it
BPA a LB...we need it
BPA a DB...we need it.
BPA a K or P....well, maybe here it don't apply
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I assume we've all played some organized football. If so, you probably know that more than any sport, there is a direct link between the play of one player and that of the other players; the play of one unit (esp. offense vs defense) and the play of the other unit. So any upgrade makes the whole team better. Get a blocking lineman and the RB goes probowl. Get a pass rusher and suddenly the CB is a "shut-down" corner. Wide open WR makes the QB look good and an accurate passer makes a WR into thinking he walks on water. A good offense allows the defense to rest more and perform better. I could go on and on.
So with so many needs, hitting on the draft and adding a few great FA's will tremendously improve the play of the entire team - no matter which position. But in today's passing era, the QB in football is the most important position and therefore the biggest priority. Next comes the pass rush, and then receivers and the defensive secondary. The rest is a lower priority - although, like I said, it's all connected and it's all necessary.
Bottom line, the Browns are 1-15 but probably 6 good players (and a little bit of luck) away from a .500 team. It starts with the QB. Unquestionably important and unquestionably our weakest position relative to the other teams we play against. Until we solve it, we're going to be a losing team. No single player can transform the Browns like a great QB. We have to keep drafting and/or signing them until we find one. So if 3 QB's are going to be drafted with the top 6 picks, can we really afford not take one at #1? Only if we can get one through FA or in a trade.
Holy whiplash...
After paragraph one I was expecting a BPA argument.... and ended up with a position value argument. Gonna need some Advil tonite...
And that all here have played is a bad assumption...
Holy whiplash...
After paragraph one I was expecting a BPA argument.... and ended up with a position value argument. Gonna need some Advil tonite...
And that all here have played is a bad assumption...
Sorry to disappoint. It was not a BPA argument.
BPA is a great strategy if you can afford it and, as I said, any upgrade helps the entire team get an upgrade. But if glaring deficiencies exist - as it does with the Browns, then you have to look at fixing them as a priority in FA and the draft.
The Browns have to solve their QB issue somehow! Some say 2017 FA QB possibilities are not worth the $$$ and that value might not be there at #1 pick. (However, they have no issue with 3 QB''s going in the draft between 2-5?)
Anyway, I think the Browns made a bad decision last year based on Hue's assessment of Wentz. Some people with the BPA concept might say that Cody in the third round was better value than Wentz in the first, but here we are at 1-15 still looking for a QB. We could tell by game one that Wentz could make all the throws and that the Browns made another massive mistake. If the FO get fired next year, that decision will have been the catalyst.
So as unfortunate as it is, it's either Garropolo, or the #1 pick, or we get lucky at a lower picked QB, or RG/Cody improves. Otherwise, even with a great draft, we're in the primordial ooze trying to get out.
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Just having a little fun with my reaction...
I will only say that if a team was ever in a BPA-ripe position, it looks to me it's us. Other than LT and NT what is really set?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Holy whiplash...
After paragraph one I was expecting a BPA argument.... and ended up with a position value argument. Gonna need some Advil tonite...
And that all here have played is a bad assumption...
Sorry to disappoint. It was not a BPA argument.
BPA is a great strategy if you can afford it and, as I said, any upgrade helps the entire team get an upgrade. But if glaring deficiencies exist - as it does with the Browns, then you have to look at fixing them as a priority in FA and the draft.
The Browns have to solve their QB issue somehow! Some say 2017 FA QB possibilities are not worth the $$$ and that value might not be there at #1 pick. (However, they have no issue with 3 QB''s going in the draft between 2-5?)
Anyway, I think the Browns made a bad decision last year based on Hue's assessment of Wentz. Some people with the BPA concept might say that Cody in the third round was better value than Wentz in the first, but here we are at 1-15 still looking for a QB. We could tell by game one that Wentz could make all the throws and that the Browns made another massive mistake. If the FO get fired next year, that decision will have been the catalyst.
So as unfortunate as it is, it's either Garropolo, or the #1 pick, or we get lucky at a lower picked QB, or RG/Cody improves. Otherwise, even with a great draft, we're in the primordial ooze trying to get out.
Anyway, I think the Browns made a bad decision last year based on Hue's assessment of Wentz. Some people with the BPA concept might say that Cody in the third round was better value than Wentz in the first, but here we are at 1-15 still looking for a QB. We could tell by game one that Wentz could make all the throws and that the Browns made another massive mistake. If the FO get fired next year, that decision will have been the catalyst.
Odd assessment considering how much Wentz struggled during the second half of the season.
Sure, he looks to be better than what we have now, but the jury is still out on whether the Browns made a franchise altering mistake.
With that being said, just because we NEED a position, doesn't mean our need aligns with a player currently available to make that significant impact. Nobody has been able to refute my Geno Smith reference yet.
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Outside of the goalie in Hockey, no position in team sports exceeds the importance of a QB in football. And despite this importance, and with all sorts of analysis, analytics, and evaluation experts, too many top-selected QB's bomb while lower selected ones excel. Not all of them, but too many of them. This tells me that we have to stop thinking we can predetermine value at that position (too many intangibles, I guess) and keep picking them until we're satisfied that there are two or three good ones on the roster, one of which has the ability to be a top QB in this league. I'm not saying throughout all this analysis - what I am saying is that when you need a QB, and you're sitting with the #2 pick (last year), and a QB is seen as worthy of that pick, has the size, accuracy and arm strength you're looking for, take him!! Don't kid yourself into thinking you know they are going to be a top 30 QB but not top 15.
No question in my mind that the lack of selection of Wentz was a mistake. I would have no problem with the Browns selecting a QB at #1 or #12 (not both) and sign a FA or keep RG3. Whatever it takes, as long as we keep trying until we get it right ... and we must get it right to compete.
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Just having a little fun with my reaction...
I will only say that if a team was ever in a BPA-ripe position, it looks to me it's us. Other than LT and NT what is really set?
I will only say that if a team was ever in a BPA-ripe position, it looks to me it's us. Other than LT and NT what is really set?
Exactly.....when you need to improve at virtually every position.....that is the PRIME time for BPA....
Passing on better talent in order to pick for a specific need is a loser move....
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Anyway, I think the Browns made a bad decision last year based on Hue's assessment of Wentz. Some people with the BPA concept might say that Cody in the third round was better value than Wentz in the first, but here we are at 1-15 still looking for a QB. We could tell by game one that Wentz could make all the throws and that the Browns made another massive mistake. If the FO get fired next year, that decision will have been the catalyst.
Odd assessment considering how much Wentz struggled during the second half of the season.
Sure, he looks to be better than what we have now, but the jury is still out on whether the Browns made a franchise altering mistake.
With that being said, just because we NEED a position, doesn't mean our need aligns with a player currently available to make that significant impact. Nobody has been able to refute my Geno Smith reference yet.
Odd assessment considering how much Wentz struggled during the second half of the season.
Sure, he looks to be better than what we have now, but the jury is still out on whether the Browns made a franchise altering mistake.
With that being said, just because we NEED a position, doesn't mean our need aligns with a player currently available to make that significant impact. Nobody has been able to refute my Geno Smith reference yet.
What is your Geno Smith argument? He wasn't considered good enough to be a first round pick....even in a league that is QB desperate.
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I will only say that if a team was ever in a BPA-ripe position, it looks to me it's us. Other than LT and NT what is really set?
Exactly.....when you need to improve at virtually every position.....that is the PRIME time for BPA....
Passing on better talent in order to pick for a specific need is a loser move....
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In here, there is a reference to my Bet with Stan. Β I bet him that Trubisky would go in the Top 5 of the draft.....just peruse this thread. Β The original bet may have been made in a different thread....but it is recounted here.
In fact.....it appears that Zombo made the same bet with me.....so it looks like the BOTH owe me a pitcher of Margaritas. Β See page 2.
Also....Z has not yet cleaned out his PMs and I have not been able to get him my number.
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How about this: If he goes Top 5, then you have to bring Zoe and her sister to the party.
And...see above: Z is supposed to bring a big titted broad with him to the Margarita party!! Β (his present girlfriend is exempt however)
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