Garrett Hurt Already
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Per Tony Grossi on Redzone--Garrett has a bad cold (and Gordo's out of purple drank) ..Jamie Collins will be a official scratch tomorrow when IR report comes out..not cleared from concussion protocol(can anyone confirm the hit/hitter that took him out?I've found nothing)
Per Tony Grossi on Redzone--Garrett has a bad cold (and Gordo's out of purple drank) ..Jamie Collins will be a official scratch tomorrow when IR report comes out..not cleared from concussion protocol(can anyone confirm the hit/hitter that took him out?I've found nothing)
Just can't make this shit up, probably a case of vaginal drip not a cold.
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On his way.
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Still mad about ogbah getting protected during preseason. They completely handed him and garrett those starting reps. Garrett i understand and he played commensurate to that, but igbah sucked just as bad in preseason as he does now. Other guys should have gotten first team reps.
Doesn't Almendoza have a previous history?
Still mad about ogbah getting protected during preseason. They completely handed him and garrett those starting reps. Garrett i understand and he played commensurate to that, but igbah sucked just as bad in preseason as he does now. Other guys should have gotten first team reps.
... and Ogbah would have looked better vs. the 2's and 3's... because they are 2's and 3's.
Other than Nassib, who is out performing Ogbah in the DE rotation now in our base?
On his way.
OK.... now I'm worried.
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I don't know what part of this guy people are in love with. I call him a Zumba instructor, and that's what he is. Body by Jake. Can you honestly tell me that when you look at this guy you see a Monster of The Midway? A Killer? He looks like a polka dancer for the love of God. I just don't get it. This guy is the antithesis of what you want in an edge rusher. He is so soft.
Nah- he looks like the paleontologist he wants to be someday. Some guys have that mild mannered personality- until they get on the football field. Merlin Olson and Deacon Jones come to mind. Yeah- Joe Thomas too.
If you're right about Garrett- then every scout and GM in the NFL is gonna be wrong. I'm at least willing to give him the rest of this season and maybe more before I start saying he was a bad pick- and BTW, I wanted Trubisky too.
Nah- he looks like the paleontologist he wants to be someday. Some guys have that mild mannered personality- until they get on the football field. Merlin Olson and Deacon Jones come to mind. Yeah- Joe Thomas too.
If you're right about Garrett- then every scout and GM in the NFL is gonna be wrong. I'm at least willing to give him the rest of this season and maybe more before I start saying he was a bad pick- and BTW, I wanted Trubisky too.
I read an interesting article, I think from ESPN, it may be a rehash, I don't know. The story reads that Hue and Williams wanted Garrett,,,,,,,,,, Depo wanted Trubisky, Sashi sided with Hue. So what are the ramifications internally here? I have been attacked for making the Garrett versus Trubisky comparison, but it doesn't matter that they play different positions, they are as idiots like to say, "assets". For most, it is too early to tell, but if Garrett is what I think he is, and that is a phony piece of shit, Haslam not only grits his teeth at another embarrassment, but Depo and Sashi have grounds for a feud.
Regarding Garrett, it isn't just his off field demeanor I have an issue with, on the field, he isn't Merlin Olson, neither is JT in intensity.
On a side note, This fucking Joe Thomas crap is bullshit. He can't run block for shit. Paul Brown built a career on running the sweep, and I can't ever remember JT taking part in a successful power sweep. He is okay, but he isn't anything special. He couldn't carry Anthony Munoz jockstrap.
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Nah- he looks like the paleontologist he wants to be someday. Some guys have that mild mannered personality- until they get on the football field. Merlin Olson and Deacon Jones come to mind. Yeah- Joe Thomas too.
If you're right about Garrett- then every scout and GM in the NFL is gonna be wrong. I'm at least willing to give him the rest of this season and maybe more before I start saying he was a bad pick- and BTW, I wanted Trubisky too.
I read an interesting article, I think from ESPN, it may be a rehash, I don't know. The story reads that Hue and Williams wanted Garrett,,,,,,,,,, Depo wanted Trubisky, Sashi sided with Hue. So what are the ramifications internally here? I have been attacked for making the Garrett versus Trubisky comparison, but it doesn't matter that they play different positions, they are as idiots like to say, "assets". For most, it is too early to tell, but if Garrett is what I think he is, and that is a phony piece of shit, Haslam not only grits his teeth at another embarrassment, but Depo and Sashi have grounds for a feud.
Regarding Garrett, it isn't just his off field demeanor I have an issue with, on the field, he isn't Merlin Olson, neither is JT in intensity.
On a side note, This fucking Joe Thomas crap is bullshit. He can't run block for shit. Paul Brown built a career on running the sweep, and I can't ever remember JT taking part in a successful power sweep. He is okay, but he isn't anything special. He couldn't carry Anthony Munoz jockstrap.
Regarding Garrett, it isn't just his off field demeanor I have an issue with, on the field, he isn't Merlin Olson, neither is JT in intensity.
On a side note, This fucking Joe Thomas crap is bullshit. He can't run block for shit. Paul Brown built a career on running the sweep, and I can't ever remember JT taking part in a successful power sweep. He is okay, but he isn't anything special. He couldn't carry Anthony Munoz jockstrap.
What I'm getting at is you don't need to have a Jack Lambert or Mike Singletary demeanor to be a great defensive player.
Regarding Joe, you don't get voted to 10 straight Pro Bowls by being a bum.
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Umm...I’m hearing rumblings on the local radio, that the back room chatter has it that Garrett won’t play vs Bungles on Sunday.
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What a fucking wasted pick he was.
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Nah- he looks like the paleontologist he wants to be someday. Some guys have that mild mannered personality- until they get on the football field. Merlin Olson and Deacon Jones come to mind. Yeah- Joe Thomas too.
If you're right about Garrett- then every scout and GM in the NFL is gonna be wrong. I'm at least willing to give him the rest of this season and maybe more before I start saying he was a bad pick- and BTW, I wanted Trubisky too.
I read an interesting article, I think from ESPN, it may be a rehash, I don't know. The story reads that Hue and Williams wanted Garrett,,,,,,,,,, Depo wanted Trubisky, Sashi sided with Hue. So what are the ramifications internally here? I have been attacked for making the Garrett versus Trubisky comparison, but it doesn't matter that they play different positions, they are as idiots like to say, "assets". For most, it is too early to tell, but if Garrett is what I think he is, and that is a phony piece of shit, Haslam not only grits his teeth at another embarrassment, but Depo and Sashi have grounds for a feud.
Regarding Garrett, it isn't just his off field demeanor I have an issue with, on the field, he isn't Merlin Olson, neither is JT in intensity.
On a side note, This fucking Joe Thomas crap is bullshit. He can't run block for shit. Paul Brown built a career on running the sweep, and I can't ever remember JT taking part in a successful power sweep. He is okay, but he isn't anything special. He couldn't carry Anthony Munoz jockstrap.
,,,,, Depo wanted Trubisky, Sashi sided with Hue. So what are the ramifications internally here? I have been attacked for making the Garrett versus Trubisky comparison, but it doesn't matter that they play different positions, they are as idiots like to say, "assets". For most, it is too early to tell, but if Garrett is what I think he is, and that is a phony piece of shit, Haslam not only grits his teeth at another embarrassment, but Depo and Sashi have grounds for a feud.
Depo just never made any sense fitting in this FO..Adding Grigson was sense-less..We need a Football Suit Guy to bang heads between FO to coaches ..Mean while Dave Gettleman (x-GM Car.) & John Dorsey (x-GM KC) are still un-employed..Sashi would not risk it for his own job security reasons..Neither may never consider the phone call..But shit, what does a fan know
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Garrett is out this weekend.
I'm hoping he WILL sit out. I have been worried that they might throw him in the fray prematurely. Coming off a high ankle sprain & then going from limited practice to active in the same week is, IMHO, playing with fire & risking losing him for possibly even the balance of the season. It's only game 4, so let's be conservative & play safe. Take the time & make sure he's ready.
Mike
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I know you're right Mike, but I sure wanted to see him chasing down carrottop.
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Regarding Garrett, it isn't just his off field demeanor I have an issue with, on the field, he isn't Merlin Olson, neither is JT in intensity.
On a side note, This fucking Joe Thomas crap is bullshit. He can't run block for shit. Paul Brown built a career on running the sweep, and I can't ever remember JT taking part in a successful power sweep. He is okay, but he isn't anything special. He couldn't carry Anthony Munoz jockstrap.
What I'm getting at is you don't need to have a Jack Lambert or Mike Singletary demeanor to be a great defensive player.
Regarding Joe, you don't get voted to 10 straight Pro Bowls by being a bum.
<<What I'm getting at is you don't need to have a Jack Lambert or Mike Singletary demeanor to be a great defensive player. >>
Name me one badass defensive player who acted like John Denver on the field.
<<Regarding Joe, you don't get voted to 10 straight Pro Bowls by being a bum. >>
Yeah,,,that is fucking impressive. Kind of like getting an award from JD Powers. Look man, you are a waffle specialist. When it came to Hickerson, you didn't care what the "experts said" and you didn't care what awards he won..........goddammit.....he was over due for the HOF.
Segue now to Thomas. You can't cite his accomplishments, you surely can't point to one offensive parameter that the Browns improved in once he came to the team. Bullshit euphemisms, that's all you have.
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Nah- he looks like the paleontologist he wants to be someday. Some guys have that mild mannered personality- until they get on the football field. Merlin Olson and Deacon Jones come to mind. Yeah- Joe Thomas too.
If you're right about Garrett- then every scout and GM in the NFL is gonna be wrong. I'm at least willing to give him the rest of this season and maybe more before I start saying he was a bad pick- and BTW, I wanted Trubisky too.
I read an interesting article, I think from ESPN, it may be a rehash, I don't know. The story reads that Hue and Williams wanted Garrett,,,,,,,,,, Depo wanted Trubisky, Sashi sided with Hue. So what are the ramifications internally here? I have been attacked for making the Garrett versus Trubisky comparison, but it doesn't matter that they play different positions, they are as idiots like to say, "assets". For most, it is too early to tell, but if Garrett is what I think he is, and that is a phony piece of shit, Haslam not only grits his teeth at another embarrassment, but Depo and Sashi have grounds for a feud.
Regarding Garrett, it isn't just his off field demeanor I have an issue with, on the field, he isn't Merlin Olson, neither is JT in intensity.
On a side note, This fucking Joe Thomas crap is bullshit. He can't run block for shit. Paul Brown built a career on running the sweep, and I can't ever remember JT taking part in a successful power sweep. He is okay, but he isn't anything special. He couldn't carry Anthony Munoz jockstrap.
Paul Brown built a career on running the sweep, and I can't ever remember JT taking part in a successful power sweep. He is okay, but he isn't anything special.
Get the smelling salts. HELLOoo.......it's 2017 now. Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps in today's NFL. Defensive players are no longer guys that weren't good enough to play offense.
I'll agree...JT is not what you'd call a run blocking road grader. He's a left tackle of TODAY'S NFL. He's a pass blocker...which is what the NFL has become. - But you know this stuff.
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Paul Brown built a career on running the sweep, and I can't ever remember JT taking part in a successful power sweep. He is okay, but he isn't anything special.
Get the smelling salts. HELLOoo.......it's 2017 now. Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps in today's NFL. Defensive players are no longer guys that weren't good enough to play offense.
I'll agree...JT is not what you'd call a run blocking road grader. He's a left tackle of TODAY'S NFL. He's a pass blocker...which is what the NFL has become. - But you know this stuff.
Get the smelling salts. HELLOoo.......it's 2017 now. Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps in today's NFL. Defensive players are no longer guys that weren't good enough to play offense.
I'll agree...JT is not what you'd call a run blocking road grader. He's a left tackle of TODAY'S NFL. He's a pass blocker...which is what the NFL has become. - But you know this stuff.
Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps today? The fucking guy played at 228 without testosterone injections. He would annihilate today's defenses.
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Get the smelling salts. HELLOoo.......it's 2017 now. Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps in today's NFL. Defensive players are no longer guys that weren't good enough to play offense.
I'll agree...JT is not what you'd call a run blocking road grader. He's a left tackle of TODAY'S NFL. He's a pass blocker...which is what the NFL has become. - But you know this stuff.
Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps today? The fucking guy played at 228 without testosterone injections. He would annihilate today's defenses.
Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps today? The fucking guy played at 228 without testosterone injections. He would annihilate today's defenses.
He just might have been above average. In case you don't remember Jim was running over 230 pound defensive ends, not the 270+ pound guys of today's NFL.. The 3-4 defense with linebackers weighing at least as much- or 250 ish and almost as fast might have made a slight difference on running power sweeps. DUH. So stop the hero worship.
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Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps today? The fucking guy played at 228 without testosterone injections. He would annihilate today's defenses.
He just might have been above average. In case you don't remember Jim was running over 230 pound defensive ends, not the 270+ pound guys of today's NFL.. The 3-4 defense with linebackers weighing at least as much- or 250 ish and almost as fast might have made a slight difference on running power sweeps. DUH. So stop the hero worship.
He just might have been above average. In case you don't remember Jim was running over 230 pound defensive ends, not the 270+ pound guys of today's NFL.. The 3-4 defense with linebackers weighing at least as much- or 250 ish and almost as fast might have made a slight difference on running power sweeps. DUH. So stop the hero worship.
The size/speed combo of today's game makes the "power sweep" of Lombardi's Packers team a thing of the past. The fact that this was used as a "slam" against Joe Thomas shows how idiotically out of touch the user is with today's NFL.
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He just might have been above average. In case you don't remember Jim was running over 230 pound defensive ends, not the 270+ pound guys of today's NFL.. The 3-4 defense with linebackers weighing at least as much- or 250 ish and almost as fast might have made a slight difference on running power sweeps. DUH. So stop the hero worship.
The size/speed combo of today's game makes the "power sweep" of Lombardi's Packers team a thing of the past. The fact that this was used as a "slam" against Joe Thomas shows how idiotically out of touch the user is with today's NFL.
The size/speed combo of today's game makes the "power sweep" of Lombardi's Packers team a thing of the past. The fact that this was used as a "slam" against Joe Thomas shows how idiotically out of touch the user is with today's NFL.
You are measuring physical size. In the Jim Brown era, players were measured by Heart, Pride & Determination ... aspects that are hollow in today's game.
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I haven't picked Browns to win this year, and having Myles Garrett wouldn't change that. However, if we WERE going to win, the only way would be for us to get pressure. As previously stated in another post, the Bengals have the worst rated tackles in the league. That sounds good until you realize we have the worst pass rushers in the league. We will not get pressure without bringing heat, and even then it's severely doubtful and would expose our secondary to being torched by another elite receiver. Make no mistake, we're in trouble...again. Several times last week we brought 8 men rushing, and multiple times the Colts blocked us 8 on 8. None of our guys won their match up. The most glaring example was the 2nd and 13 from the Colts 1 yard line, when we brought serious heat, only to not get remotely close. Brissett threw it up to Moncrief, who made the easy catch for a huge gain. Our defender couldn't track the ball (per usual), and the reception allowed the Colts to score yet another touchdown, effectively ending the game. No Collins, no Garrett...no pass rush.
Maybe it's good Garrett isn't playing. Why rush him back? Yeah, I'm dying to see him. Yeah, coming back against awful tackles while at home sounds nice. But we're thinking long term here, and that's a good thing. We don't have Jamie Collins, probably Shelton, and now Garrett. Let's not risk further injury in a game we basically have little chance of winning. It's simply not worth it.
I know what many people are saying, and that's the Bengals are 0-3, so why wouldn't this be a golden opportunity for us to get our first victory? We're at home. They haven't looked great. So what gives? Well, I'm glad you asked. The Bengals have perhaps the best front 7 in the league, and they are getting their heart and soul linebacker from suspension in Burfict. Conversely, we WON'T be getting our guys back. No heart and soul for us....nope. So we know Burfict will destroy us, but he's not even the real concern. Geno Atkins, their star DT, will annihilate us. Tretter has difficulty blocking raw power, and NOBODY has more power than Atkins (please see the clip last year when Atkins blew apart Cam Erving's butt). And if Atkins wasn't bad enough, their other DT from Auburn is playing out of this world. What is the biggest problem for our "revamped and improved" offensive line? Good question! Stunts...stunts absolutely destroy us. Everyone on this board probably understands what that is, but for anyone who doesn't, a stunt is generally when the DT's and DE's swap paths to the QB after the snap. There are variations, but imagine the DT shooting to the side to nail the OT, and then the DE looping around inside between the center and guard. It will kill us. Again.
So now that Garrett and Collins arent playing, we know we won't get consistent pressure. What happens when we don't get pressure? We get torched by elite receivers, of course. Antonio Brown and TY Hilton have over 300 yards against us, and AJ Green will have approximately 200 by himself. Haden wasn't what he used to be, but you can't tell me we're better off without him. He played Green tough a few times, and we simply don't have anyone who can give him trouble. I'm not kicking either...Green very well may have 200 yards. And Tyler Eifert? The TE with the slow start? Give him 85 yards and 2 tds.
The Bengals might be 0-3, but they're not Cleveland Browns 0-3. They should've won against the Packers and the Texans. I know they didn't, but what better way to get off the schnide than playing us? Anyone that played sports knows how important confidence is, and the Bengals literally expect to win this game. On the other hand, we HOPE to win. One of the most difficult intangibles for us to overcome is that every team we play fully expects to WIN. We're a breath of fresh air, a "Thank God" in the schedule, a way for teams to get back on track. That's what we are to virtually every team we play, and the only way that changes is to start winning, and that's not happening any time soon. Think about if you were playing us, who would scare you? What would you say as a fan the keys to victory are? Who would you have to stop? Gameplan for? Double team? Anything come to mind? Because it doesn't for me. We're the biggest cream puff out there. No deep weapons. No pass rushers. And no running game. Sounds appetizing, right? We don't even have a veteran QB who MIGHT get hot and win a game (see Josh McCown last week).
No, this game won't be close. You'd think two teams who are 0-3 would somehow be close in several categories, or perhaps the game might even be a coin toss. You'd be mistaken. As I said after the last preseason game, if the Browns are going to win a couple games, they absolutely MUST win them early before the injuries set in because we simply don't have the necessary depth needed to compete in the NFL. However, since we're the Browns, the injuries happened earlier than even I thought possible, and here we are with a bunch of nobodies and our best players hurt before the 4th game. It's depressing and I get no joy from saying this...it's merely fact. We don't have talent.
Now, you may ask, "Well, all-knowing and arrogant Jiggins, there are no certainties in life, so how COULD the Browns win?" I'll dig deep and lay out a scenario, however unlikely and comical. Browns win if we have a total team performance. By that I mean the special teams, defense, and offense all play relatively mistake free football for 4 quarters. We get a defensive or special teams touchdown (stop laughing, it's rude), we actually score points on our first drive (ok really, it's rude), and we somehow win an effing coin toss. We get our defense out there, force Bengals off the field, and gain some momentum EARLY. We also severely cut down on penalties, turnovers, and find some way to get pressure on Dalton and force him into poor decisions. We basically have to do ALL that to have a chance. No problem, right?
Listen, I want a victory as bad as anyone. I especially want one in front of our home crowd and against a division rival. And hell, I could be wrong. We could play well and the Bengals may be worse than I thought. But don't bet on it. In fact, I'd bet against us no matter what the spread currently is. Wish I had better news.
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