Garrett Hurt Already
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Why are we still parading out physical size to measure this era over past era's? That was never My point, at least ... I'm talking heart. Yeah, the players of yesteryear had off-season jobs to get by, but that made them even more hungry to let loose and play the game with all they had and with all heart. These wannabe's today are specialty players and are probably measured by how long the last on their personal trainers massage table after games, moreso than actual play. They are playing fantasy ball, and you are footing the bill.
Why are we still parading out physical size to measure this era over past era's? That was never My point, at least ... I'm talking heart. Yeah, the players of yesteryear had off-season jobs to get by, but that made them even more hungry to let loose and play the game with all they had and with all heart. These wannabe's today are specialty players and are probably measured by how long the last on their personal trainers massage table after games, moreso than actual play. They are playing fantasy ball, and you are footing the bill.
I wouldn't even go so far as to say players today have less "heart" as players of yore, I don't want to short changed today's players in that area.......but I will say that players today do not have any more SKILL than players of yore.
Size may matter now, like I said only in two places. Skill is no better at all.
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Jim Brown could play in any era.
But here's a thought that will probably fire up some people: The 1964 Championship Cleveland Browns would lose if they could magically play the 2017 Cleveland Browns.
I would bet not. Again, these Browns simply have a size advantage over that group in a couple of areas: OL and interior DL.
Compare all the other players on the two teams.
I would take a 1964 version of Paul Warfield and Gary Collins right here right now to play on this team. Compare their sizes, weight/height/speed to our current crop of WRs.....they would be better.
Collins 6'5 215 (they don't have 40 times for players back then that I can find)
Warfield was smallish at 6'0 188. But compare to guys we got now and he is not any smaller.
And tell me any of our guys that can catch the ball the way Collins could, or run routes the way Warfield did. None of them.
That team would find a way to negate the weight disadvantage.
I would bet not. Again, these Browns simply have a size advantage over that group in a couple of areas: OL and interior DL.
Compare all the other players on the two teams.
I would take a 1964 version of Paul Warfield and Gary Collins right here right now to play on this team. Compare their sizes, weight/height/speed to our current crop of WRs.....they would be better.
Collins 6'5 215 (they don't have 40 times for players back then that I can find)
Warfield was smallish at 6'0 188. But compare to guys we got now and he is not any smaller.
And tell me any of our guys that can catch the ball the way Collins could, or run routes the way Warfield did. None of them.
That team would find a way to negate the weight disadvantage.
Your bringing that era to modern day, how about taking these modern day pre-Madonna's back in time, riding a bus to far away cities, sleeping at the motel 6 equivalent, no money for all the luxuries, playing on a cow pasture with less equipment, dealing with much, much greater racism and family hardships, etc ..
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I would bet not. Again, these Browns simply have a size advantage over that group in a couple of areas: OL and interior DL.
Compare all the other players on the two teams.
I would take a 1964 version of Paul Warfield and Gary Collins right here right now to play on this team. Compare their sizes, weight/height/speed to our current crop of WRs.....they would be better.
Collins 6'5 215 (they don't have 40 times for players back then that I can find)
Warfield was smallish at 6'0 188. But compare to guys we got now and he is not any smaller.
And tell me any of our guys that can catch the ball the way Collins could, or run routes the way Warfield did. None of them.
That team would find a way to negate the weight disadvantage.
Your bringing that era to modern day, how about taking these modern day pre-Madonna's back in time, riding a bus to far away cities, sleeping at the motel 6 equivalent, no money for all the luxuries, playing on a cow pasture with less equipment, dealing with much, much greater racism and family hardships, etc ..
Your bringing that era to modern day, how about taking these modern day pre-Madonna's back in time, riding a bus to far away cities, sleeping at the motel 6 equivalent, no money for all the luxuries, playing on a cow pasture with less equipment, dealing with much, much greater racism and family hardships, etc ..
I audibly laughed at "pre-Madonna's".
I don't think it's a coincidence that all these "back in the good ol' days" posts are popping up this week.
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Your bringing that era to modern day, how about taking these modern day pre-Madonna's back in time, riding a bus to far away cities, sleeping at the motel 6 equivalent, no money for all the luxuries, playing on a cow pasture with less equipment, dealing with much, much greater racism and family hardships, etc ..
I audibly laughed at "pre-Madonna's".
I don't think it's a coincidence that all these "back in the good ol' days" posts are popping up this week.
I audibly laughed at "pre-Madonna's".
I don't think it's a coincidence that all these "back in the good ol' days" posts are popping up this week.
It's throw-back week!
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I audibly laughed at "pre-Madonna's".
I don't think it's a coincidence that all these "back in the good ol' days" posts are popping up this week.
It's throw-back week!
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Paul Brown built a career on running the sweep, and I can't ever remember JT taking part in a successful power sweep. He is okay, but he isn't anything special.
Get the smelling salts. HELLOoo.......it's 2017 now. Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps in today's NFL. Defensive players are no longer guys that weren't good enough to play offense.
I'll agree...JT is not what you'd call a run blocking road grader. He's a left tackle of TODAY'S NFL. He's a pass blocker...which is what the NFL has become. - But you know this stuff.
Get the smelling salts. HELLOoo.......it's 2017 now. Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps in today's NFL. Defensive players are no longer guys that weren't good enough to play offense.
I'll agree...JT is not what you'd call a run blocking road grader. He's a left tackle of TODAY'S NFL. He's a pass blocker...which is what the NFL has become. - But you know this stuff.
Really...
Plus there's a couple factoids... the Paul Brown era "power sweep" was lead by two pulling OGs with the sweep-side OT blocking down. Bob Gain and finger Schafrath did not pull either. "Pulling" OTs came a decade or two later.
As for Joe pulling... can't say I've seen a lot of that, but I can say that every ZBS run in his direction requires a similar skillset and Joe is great in the ZBS. It's demands have a lot in common with the PassPro skills that you pointed out are where Joe excels. Drive blocking? He doesn't suck... just not quite up to the level of his other first-ballot HoF game. Those he can't bury, he beats with his burst and hands to gain angles. Result is the same... Joe wins... a HoF percentage of the time.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I like how yesterday Terry Francona said how today's BASEBALL players are far superior to players in his era.....just a fact!
And football is no different, just checking the BUCKEYES depth chart today EVERY OL player over 310, unheard of in Jim Brown's era.
Football players today are NOT superior football players. What it is is that some positions are bigger, maybe stronger because of weight training and nutrition. Mainly the OL.
Running backs are no bigger/faster than in the 50s/ 60s/70. Wide receivers are no bigger/faster than in the50s/ 60s/70s. DBs and LBs are no bigger/faster than in the 60s/70s.
Defensive Ends are no bigger/faster than in the 50s/60s/70s.
I did a vast documentation of all this not too long ago.
QBs on average ARE a bit taller.
And Interior DL and OL are bigger...and probably stronger.
So, it is ONLY in those two areas where things are that much different.
Football players today are NOT superior football players. What it is is that some positions are bigger, maybe stronger because of weight training and nutrition. Mainly the OL.
Running backs are no bigger/faster than in the 50s/ 60s/70. Wide receivers are no bigger/faster than in the50s/ 60s/70s. DBs and LBs are no bigger/faster than in the 60s/70s.
Defensive Ends are no bigger/faster than in the 50s/60s/70s.
I did a vast documentation of all this not too long ago.
QBs on average ARE a bit taller.
And Interior DL and OL are bigger...and probably stronger.
So, it is ONLY in those two areas where things are that much different.
Love to see your "vast documentation"... Link? Also like how you snuck the 70's into the argument...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I audibly laughed at "pre-Madonna's".
I don't think it's a coincidence that all these "back in the good ol' days" posts are popping up this week.
It's throw-back week!
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Football players train all year 'round now-a-days. They are physically bigger (more weight) and stronger (more muscle) than they were way back when. And they are faster. As I've said before, no longer are defensive players just guys that weren't good enough to be on offense. Now, kids grow up WANTING to be LB'ers (Lawrence Taylor, Singletary, etc.) and WANTING to be DB's (Deon Sanders, etc.).
You can't run power sweeps anymore. Pulling linemen? RB's would get chased down from behind. The DE's & LB'ers are as fast as THEY are now.
Sure, Jim Brown would still be good...but he wouldn't be a 'man among boys' anymore.
note - there's a bunch (gaggle, pride, group, etc) of wild turkeys roaming the neighborhood. Time to take my dog for a walk.
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Something else that doesn't bode well for us is this:
Andy Dalton's last 4 Browns games 4 wins & 0 losses 72.6% completion 9.2 yards per attempt 9 TDs (8.8%) & 0 INTs 130.4 passer rating.
See, this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. How confident you think Dalton is about this game? They probably can't wait for the damn kickoff.
What really surprises me is how our team doesn't get that one blowout win every year, or even 2 "easy" wins a year. Those games where everything goes right. Virtually every team gets those just about every year. The game you get the pick 6, the blocked FG touchdown, or whatever. That magical game where Sheet just goes right. We don't get that. Ever.
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I would bet not. Again, these Browns simply have a size advantage over that group in a couple of areas: OL and interior DL.
Compare all the other players on the two teams.
I would take a 1964 version of Paul Warfield and Gary Collins right here right now to play on this team. Compare their sizes, weight/height/speed to our current crop of WRs.....they would be better.
Collins 6'5 215 (they don't have 40 times for players back then that I can find)
Warfield was smallish at 6'0 188. But compare to guys we got now and he is not any smaller.
And tell me any of our guys that can catch the ball the way Collins could, or run routes the way Warfield did. None of them.
That team would find a way to negate the weight disadvantage.
Your bringing that era to modern day, how about taking these modern day pre-Madonna's back in time, riding a bus to far away cities, sleeping at the motel 6 equivalent, no money for all the luxuries, playing on a cow pasture with less equipment, dealing with much, much greater racism and family hardships, etc ..
Your bringing that era to modern day, how about taking these modern day pre-Madonna's back in time, riding a bus to far away cities, sleeping at the motel 6 equivalent, no money for all the luxuries, playing on a cow pasture with less equipment, dealing with much, much greater racism and family hardships, etc ..
Ha, one of our wine club guys Merve Berschet, G, Illinois 1954-55 Played for the Redskins. RIP, but I knew him well. He was damn low key about it- didn't find out for years he actually played. You would have never guessed in a million years seeing him he was big enough to play OG in the NFL- you stand next to the current crop- they blot out the sun. Asked Marvin what he was making back then. Answer is $4,000. The inflation table says that's $36k in today's dollars.
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Your bringing that era to modern day, how about taking these modern day pre-Madonna's back in time, riding a bus to far away cities, sleeping at the motel 6 equivalent, no money for all the luxuries, playing on a cow pasture with less equipment, dealing with much, much greater racism and family hardships, etc ..
Ha, one of our wine club guys Merve Berschet, G, Illinois 1954-55 Played for the Redskins. RIP, but I knew him well. He was damn low key about it- didn't find out for years he actually played. You would have never guessed in a million years seeing him he was big enough to play OG in the NFL- you stand next to the current crop- they blot out the sun. Asked Marvin what he was making back then. Answer is $4,000. The inflation table says that's $36k in today's dollars.
you would have never guessed in a million years seeing him he was big enough to play OG in the NFL- you stand next to the current crop- they blot out the sun. Asked Marvin what he was making back then. Answer is $4,000. The inflation table says that's $36k in today's dollars.
That's, of course, ANOTHER thing....the money. The money is incredible in the modern era. It's not just a bunch of ruffians that play for the love of the game. It's guys with size that see dollar signs too. Fame & fortune. They dedicate their LIVES to training and to doing what they need to to make it in the NFL. - Of course, on the other side of the coin, there's Josh Gordon.
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Good News..The picture I took at Draft of Myles Garrett being our #1 pick..Been My Home screen since April...I Took it Down Today..The Curse is over AG!!
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Maybe we should get a Voodoo doll of Big Ben? Worth a shot eh? Not sure I would be willing to spend any money on it. Maybe make 1 from scratch?
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Maybe we should get a Voodoo doll of Big Ben? Worth a shot eh? Not sure I would be willing to spend any money on it. Maybe make 1 from scratch?
Maybe we should get a Voodoo doll of Big Ben? Worth a shot eh? Not sure I would be willing to spend any money on it. Maybe make 1 from scratch?
That POS has landed face first without a helmet in a motorcycle accident and raped girls with impunity.
I'm pretty sure a voodoo doll is useless vs someone who obviously sold his soul years ago.
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Today's football players? They suck. Less practice equals less quality on the field. Pure and simple. That's where that saying came from.. you know...practice makes perfect.
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Today's football players? They suck. Less practice equals less quality on the field. Pure and simple. That's where that saying came from.. you know...practice makes perfect.
Today's football players? They suck. Less practice equals less quality on the field. Pure and simple. That's where that saying came from.. you know...practice makes perfect.
Plus they don't practice hard.. Which is why there are more injuries in the game...
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Today's football players? They suck. Less practice equals less quality on the field. Pure and simple. That's where that saying came from.. you know...practice makes perfect.
Plus they don't practice hard.. Which is why there are more injuries in the game...
Plus they don't practice hard.. Which is why there are more injuries in the game...
And the average player is still bigger, faster, stronger than generations past.
A 6' 2" 210 lb player today has been in formal training longer some since junior high and high school and in weight reps, 40 times, vertical jumps, etc. etc. better than even their 6' 2" 210 lb players from yesteryear..... don't believe it just ask any former player.
Oh yes less big physical contact and reduced training time to cut down on concussions will affect playing sharpness on the field at least early on in the season.
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Plus they don't practice hard.. Which is why there are more injuries in the game...
And the average player is still bigger, faster, stronger than generations past.
A 6' 2" 210 lb player today has been in formal training longer some since junior high and high school and in weight reps, 40 times, vertical jumps, etc. etc. better than even their 6' 2" 210 lb players from yesteryear..... don't believe it just ask any former player.
Oh yes less big physical contact and reduced training time to cut down on concussions will affect playing sharpness on the field at least early on in the season.
And the average player is still bigger, faster, stronger than generations past.
A 6' 2" 210 lb player today has been in formal training longer some since junior high and high school and in weight reps, 40 times, vertical jumps, etc. etc. better than even their 6' 2" 210 lb players from yesteryear..... don't believe it just ask any former player.
Oh yes less big physical contact and reduced training time to cut down on concussions will affect playing sharpness on the field at least early on in the season.
These soft, "less-skilled" players of today would annihilate the "real men" teams of a generation or two ago. It would be an absolute bloodbath.
I know it doesn't fit into the "HEY YOU KIDS GET OFF MY DAMNED LAWN" narrative pushed on here, but it's true.
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