Garrett Hurt Already
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These soft, "less-skilled" players of today would annihilate the "real men" teams of a generation or two ago. It would be an absolute bloodbath.
I know it doesn't fit into the "HEY YOU KIDS GET OFF MY DAMNED LAWN" narrative pushed on here, but it's true.
Go back to the old rules and they would not survive Night Train Lane and D. Butkus. Most of the skilled players on offense would be on protocol by halftime.
Go back to the old rules and they would not survive Night Train Lane and D. Butkus. Most of the skilled players on offense would be on protocol by halftime.
The "new" rules were largely put in place to keep today's players from literally killing each other.
And you cannot just cherry pick a few players from yesteryear to compare to today's players it just doesn't work......and YES I grew up watching 1950s and 60s players!
And I'm 67 dammit and keep your stuff off my lawn!
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Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps today? The fucking guy played at 228 without testosterone injections. He would annihilate today's defenses.
He just might have been above average. In case you don't remember Jim was running over 230 pound defensive ends, not the 270+ pound guys of today's NFL.. The 3-4 defense with linebackers weighing at least as much- or 250 ish and almost as fast might have made a slight difference on running power sweeps. DUH. So stop the hero worship.
He just might have been above average. In case you don't remember Jim was running over 230 pound defensive ends, not the 270+ pound guys of today's NFL.. The 3-4 defense with linebackers weighing at least as much- or 250 ish and almost as fast might have made a slight difference on running power sweeps. DUH. So stop the hero worship.
You are truly a dumb Shmuck. Lamar Lundy, Rosie Greer, Carl Eller, Merlin Olsen, etc etc etc....all.tony guys Right?
Tell me again how much difference those dome a dozen fat butt OL we got make a difference?
Tell me.how shitty the Bengals are and how bad Dalton is.
Before you do, get Flugel off his knees and let him tell us again "Williams will have the defense whipped onto a frenzy.
I bet you guys alllooked.loke you are a big Ghoolie Sheet sandwich today.
When it comes to football,pal....O am the king. Tell me.again how Lewis goes before Hue.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
He just might have been above average. In case you don't remember Jim was running over 230 pound defensive ends, not the 270+ pound guys of today's NFL.. The 3-4 defense with linebackers weighing at least as much- or 250 ish and almost as fast might have made a slight difference on running power sweeps. DUH. So stop the hero worship.
You are truly a dumb Shmuck. Lamar Lundy, Rosie Greer, Carl Eller, Merlin Olsen, etc etc etc....all.tony guys Right?
Tell me again how much difference those dome a dozen fat butt OL we got make a difference?
Tell me.how shitty the Bengals are and how bad Dalton is.
Before you do, get Flugel off his knees and let him tell us again "Williams will have the defense whipped onto a frenzy.
I bet you guys alllooked.loke you are a big Ghoolie Sheet sandwich today.
When it comes to football,pal....O am the king. Tell me.again how Lewis goes before Hue.
You are truly a dumb Shmuck. Lamar Lundy, Rosie Greer, Carl Eller, Merlin Olsen, etc etc etc....all.tony guys Right?
Tell me again how much difference those dome a dozen fat butt OL we got make a difference?
Tell me.how shitty the Bengals are and how bad Dalton is.
Before you do, get Flugel off his knees and let him tell us again "Williams will have the defense whipped onto a frenzy.
I bet you guys alllooked.loke you are a big Ghoolie Sheet sandwich today.
When it comes to football,pal....O am the king. Tell me.again how Lewis goes before Hue.
How did your fight with Zombo go this morning?
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He just might have been above average. In case you don't remember Jim was running over 230 pound defensive ends, not the 270+ pound guys of today's NFL.. The 3-4 defense with linebackers weighing at least as much- or 250 ish and almost as fast might have made a slight difference on running power sweeps. DUH. So stop the hero worship.
You are truly a dumb Shmuck. Lamar Lundy, Rosie Greer, Carl Eller, Merlin Olsen, etc etc etc....all.tony guys Right?
Tell me again how much difference those dome a dozen fat butt OL we got make a difference?
Tell me.how shitty the Bengals are and how bad Dalton is.
Before you do, get Flugel off his knees and let him tell us again "Williams will have the defense whipped onto a frenzy.
I bet you guys alllooked.loke you are a big Ghoolie Sheet sandwich today.
When it comes to football,pal....O am the king. Tell me.again how Lewis goes before Hue.
You are truly a dumb Shmuck. Lamar Lundy, Rosie Greer, Carl Eller, Merlin Olsen, etc etc etc....all.tony guys Right?
You forgot Decon Jones if you were going for the Rams' Fearsome Foresome, a great defensive front back in the day all could play today because they were the best back then not the typical players. Fun going down memory lane occasionally.
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You are truly a dumb Shmuck. Lamar Lundy, Rosie Greer, Carl Eller, Merlin Olsen, etc etc etc....all.tony guys Right?
You forgot Decon Jones if you were going for the Rams' Fearsome Foresome, a great defensive front back in the day all could play today because they were the best back then not the typical players. Fun going down memory lane occasionally.
You forgot Decon Jones if you were going for the Rams' Fearsome Foresome, a great defensive front back in the day all could play today because they were the best back then not the typical players. Fun going down memory lane occasionally.
Didn't forget him, just was't making an exhaustive list. Lilly, Andre, lots of huge players, and they were much more physically fit that today's lardasses. Remember when Terrell Davis ran the big fat bastards of Green Bay in the SB? Hoorta likes fatasses...he thinks they are the most important player on the field.
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You forgot Decon Jones if you were going for the Rams' Fearsome Foresome, a great defensive front back in the day all could play today because they were the best back then not the typical players. Fun going down memory lane occasionally.
Didn't forget him, just was't making an exhaustive list. Lilly, Andre, lots of huge players, and they were much more physically fit that today's lardasses. Remember when Terrell Davis ran the big fat bastards of Green Bay in the SB? Hoorta likes fatasses...he thinks they are the most important player on the field.
Didn't forget him, just was't making an exhaustive list. Lilly, Andre, lots of huge players, and they were much more physically fit that today's lardasses. Remember when Terrell Davis ran the big fat bastards of Green Bay in the SB? Hoorta likes fatasses...he thinks they are the most important player on the field.
Do you mean gym rats? Today's professional players are 100% committed AND paid very well to stay in shape better than ever.......just the facts Ghool.
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Garrett will never be a factor on the NFL
HE. B L O W S
Will the pussy even play a real game in the NFL is the question?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Will the pussy even play a real game in the NFL is the question?
I was the first one to bring actually truth about KWII never being any good after the first knee problem. My childhood best friend is a top Orthopod at UH...he tels me Garrett will never be hole and will have recurring ankle problems and not last in the NFL. I promise you, he's not going to contribute much.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Will the pussy even play a real game in the NFL is the question?
I was the first one to bring actually truth about KWII never being any good after the first knee problem. My childhood best friend is a top Orthopod at UH...he tels me Garrett will never be hole and will have recurring ankle problems and not last in the NFL. I promise you, he's not going to contribute much.
I was the first one
I assume you're quite happy that the Browns got 'phucked up' today. Just like you've been hoping.
- leaving to go help Mrs. Wife with the grandkids while their parents are out -
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I assume you're quite happy that the Browns got 'phucked up' today. Just like you've been hoping.
- leaving to go help Mrs. Wife with the grandkids while their parents are out -
Yeah. I enjoyed it. As I have said, I have had my fill of this Sheet. This franchise is destroying everything the Browns were ever about. Enough of this cowpoop pretending that EVERYTHING the Browns do is great, and everyone else sucks. On and on, endless mental masturbation about how we are finally on the right track, about how we finally have the right package, about how we are accumulating assets.
Do I honestly want the Browns franchise to be sold, moved and re-named? Absolutely. I want the very worst that can happen in this world to a football team to happen to this franchise. I don't care what it is, losses, draft pick busts even injuries, yes............... even injuries.
Look, 18 Shmucking years since the Fake Browns V2.0 has been raping Browns history. And the fans? The dumb fucks are such whores they will accept any piece of garbage, no matter how laughable it is, all because they just have to have the Browns to hold on to. You Shmucking people know the truth. This team has no connection to the team of Paul Brown. You know it, I know it, and the football gods know it. Hence you have Sheet picks like Coleman, Garrett and Kizer.
I get called a Troll, but my message IS consistent, and while people don't like it........... I sure as Shmuck have a greater grip on reality than any fan here, and any goddamned professional prognosticator. It's the Walter Mitty Sheet that get s me. man. How bad is it? You have a grown man, board monitor, Zomblow living a mental fantasy about fist fighting me. He wants to fistfight..............but yet I am the bully? Dude, the city of Cleveland is fucked up, Browns fans are fucked up and the franchise before us is commensurate with fucktardsville.
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I SAY.........Offensive linemen are fatasses, the least important and athletic players on the field. THe new OL won't make a difference
HOORTA INSISTS, with the board chiming in.........The NEw OL will deliver stellar reuslts.
Clearly, the 2017 line is no better than the 2016 version. DOn't tell me how it looks.............. RESULTS................The results show me to be dead butt on
****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************I SAY ....... Greg WIlliams is a jackoff. His D will be no better than the 2016 version, and maybe worse because he is not about discipline...............
FLUGEL SAYS.............."Greg Williams will have this defense whipped into a frenzy.
So tell me again how I am wrong. I gotta hear this Sheet. Swiss Cheese Williams.......... Shmucking dumb bastard and Hue deserve each other
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And on and on and on it goes. Circle jerk over our ASSETS and draft picks, and our picks, like I said.........THE WORST Shmucking DRAFT IN 2016 AND 2017. Building for the future? Okay........ what characteristics of this 2 year old fuckpile is showing great strides? Who are our playmakers? How is the QB of this future? YOu draft a Socksucker who wants to be a Cowboy? 3 times his ankles are cracked and THIS is our great #1 #1?
No QB is ever good enough for our high standards............ no draft has a QB worthy of what we are looking for.....Ben, Marioata, Wentz, Gough, Trubisky.......Julio Jones, AJ Green, Petersen, Elliot, Bosa......................... no playmaker is ever good enough....we must trade down and build assets. Shmuck man, you don't win football with assets, you win with great playmakers.
All this focus on the OL and utility players hand Black Uncle Fester has delivered 1 - 19..................
So yeah, I was happy today. I am picking the Jets next week, and hoping we hear Garrets ankles go SNAP! again.
I want this team to fail, to be sold, to be moed and renamed. It is a disgrace to the real Cleveland Browns.
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I assume you're quite happy that the Browns got 'phucked up' today. Just like you've been hoping.
- leaving to go help Mrs. Wife with the grandkids while their parents are out -
Yeah. I enjoyed it. As I have said, I have had my fill of this Sheet. This franchise is destroying everything the Browns were ever about. Enough of this cowpoop pretending that EVERYTHING the Browns do is great, and everyone else sucks. On and on, endless mental masturbation about how we are finally on the right track, about how we finally have the right package, about how we are accumulating assets.
Do I honestly want the Browns franchise to be sold, moved and re-named? Absolutely. I want the very worst that can happen in this world to a football team to happen to this franchise. I don't care what it is, losses, draft pick busts even injuries, yes............... even injuries.
Look, 18 Shmucking years since the Fake Browns V2.0 has been raping Browns history. And the fans? The dumb fucks are such whores they will accept any piece of garbage, no matter how laughable it is, all because they just have to have the Browns to hold on to. You Shmucking people know the truth. This team has no connection to the team of Paul Brown. You know it, I know it, and the football gods know it. Hence you have Sheet picks like Coleman, Garrett and Kizer.
I get called a Troll, but my message IS consistent, and while people don't like it........... I sure as Shmuck have a greater grip on reality than any fan here, and any goddamned professional prognosticator. It's the Walter Mitty Sheet that get s me. man. How bad is it? You have a grown man, board monitor, Zomblow living a mental fantasy about fist fighting me. He wants to fistfight..............but yet I am the bully? Dude, the city of Cleveland is fucked up, Browns fans are fucked up and the franchise before us is commensurate with fucktardsville.
****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
I SAY.........Offensive linemen are fatasses, the least important and athletic players on the field. THe new OL won't make a difference
HOORTA INSISTS, with the board chiming in.........The NEw OL will deliver stellar reuslts.
Clearly, the 2017 line is no better than the 2016 version. DOn't tell me how it looks.............. RESULTS................The results show me to be dead butt on
****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************I SAY ....... Greg WIlliams is a jackoff. His D will be no better than the 2016 version, and maybe worse because he is not about discipline...............
FLUGEL SAYS.............."Greg Williams will have this defense whipped into a frenzy.
So tell me again how I am wrong. I gotta hear this Sheet. Swiss Cheese Williams.......... Shmucking dumb bastard and Hue deserve each other
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And on and on and on it goes. Circle jerk over our ASSETS and draft picks, and our picks, like I said.........THE WORST Shmucking DRAFT IN 2016 AND 2017. Building for the future? Okay........ what characteristics of this 2 year old fuckpile is showing great strides? Who are our playmakers? How is the QB of this future? YOu draft a Socksucker who wants to be a Cowboy? 3 times his ankles are cracked and THIS is our great #1 #1?
No QB is ever good enough for our high standards............ no draft has a QB worthy of what we are looking for.....Ben, Marioata, Wentz, Gough, Trubisky.......Julio Jones, AJ Green, Petersen, Elliot, Bosa......................... no playmaker is ever good enough....we must trade down and build assets. Shmuck man, you don't win football with assets, you win with great playmakers.
All this focus on the OL and utility players hand Black Uncle Fester has delivered 1 - 19..................
So yeah, I was happy today. I am picking the Jets next week, and hoping we hear Garrets ankles go SNAP! again.
I want this team to fail, to be sold, to be moed and renamed. It is a disgrace to the real Cleveland Browns.
Clearly, the 2017 line is no better than the 2016 version. DOn't tell me how it looks.............. RESULTS................The results show me to be dead butt on
You have stubbornly been wrong about the offensive line ALL ALONG. I've been telling you that the line IS BETTER because they don't have to play Cam Erving anymore. And I've also told you that the OL may NOT make a hill of beans of difference because of our issue with skilled players. Because our skilled players suck DOES NOT MEAN that our OL is not better. Can you understand that concept?? It's like blaming our Michelin tires for losing races when we've got a 1.5 liter engine battling V8's.
I agree. It's very sad watching our GOOD historic W/L stats erode away over the last two decades. It's heartbreaking is what it is. But we're stuck in this universe.
I agree. We let good players go to other teams. We do MORE than let, we GIVE them to other teams....and they give us their lousy draft slot and we pick a half butt player. I wanted Wentz. But NOOoooo, we want a bunch of half butt players instead. And now Watson seems to be doing well for Houston. Good for him. But, of course it sucks to be us.
Maybe you're right and we should lose badly all year and get rid of the whole lot yet again. One could argue that they're lousy talent evaluators. Many of us have been wanting us to pick the best QB available for many years now. But these guys want to wait until they THINK the next Tom Brady will be available to them.....no matter how many #1 picks they have to trade away while waiting.
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OL Better or worse?....hard to say.....but we are running the ball worse......and we are allowing as many sacks too.....other factors?.....maybe or maybe not.....
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Will the pussy even play a real game in the NFL is the question?
I was the first one to bring actually truth about KWII never being any good after the first knee problem. My childhood best friend is a top Orthopod at UH...he tels me Garrett will never be hole and will have recurring ankle problems and not last in the NFL. I promise you, he's not going to contribute much.
I was the first one to bring actually truth about KWII never being any good after the first knee problem. My childhood best friend is a top Orthopod at UH...he tels me Garrett will never be hole and will have recurring ankle problems and not last in the NFL. I promise you, he's not going to contribute much.
They said exactly this about clowney s microfracture. Which if u really have a friend who's in ortho, will tell u it is 10x worse than ankle Sheet
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OL Better or worse?....hard to say.....but we are running the ball worse......and we are allowing as many sacks too.....other factors?.....maybe or maybe not.....
OL Better or worse?....hard to say.....but we are running the ball worse......and we are allowing as many sacks too.....other factors?.....maybe or maybe not.....
Twelve starting QBs have suffered more sacks then Kizer's 11. And we know he has taken more than was necessary. Proof? Kizer ranks 2nd in NextGen Stats' "time to throw" clocking in at 3.04 seconds. Whose #1? The new darling around here... Deshaun Watson at 3.11. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw
Then there's the sack trend for Weeks 1 thru 4... 7 - 2 - 1 - 1. To quote Sesame Street.... "One of these things is not like the others." https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KizeDe00/gamelog/2017/
Run game? Touched on this a couple days ago. Out of the ShotGun we are primarily running ZBS. Crow is not a ZBS back. Don't have stats on this. Just working off casual observation and general formation tendencies.
The OL is better.
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Football players today are NOT superior football players. What it is is that some positions are bigger, maybe stronger because of weight training and nutrition. Mainly the OL.
Running backs are no bigger/faster than in the 50s/ 60s/70. Wide receivers are no bigger/faster than in the50s/ 60s/70s. DBs and LBs are no bigger/faster than in the 60s/70s.
Defensive Ends are no bigger/faster than in the 50s/60s/70s.
I did a vast documentation of all this not too long ago.
QBs on average ARE a bit taller.
And Interior DL and OL are bigger...and probably stronger.
So, it is ONLY in those two areas where things are that much different.
Love to see your "vast documentation"... Link? Also like how you snuck the 70's into the argument...
Love to see your "vast documentation"... Link? Also like how you snuck the 70's into the argument...
It is on this board somewhere. I put it here. There was a huge thread on it. Maybe if you had paid attention the first time you would have remembered it. You can try doing a search.
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