Kizer or Hogan

Dutch Oven

@poeticg said:

I'll be honest with you, it's not very good.

How about a limerick?

There once was a man from Stanford

Superior than the guy from Notre Dame that was a turd

But Hue wouldn't put him in

Oh! What a sin!

So I complained all day on a message board

PoeticG

We were once a great team,

but we don't win anymore,

summer was a dream,

we are no wins in four.

They cut our best players,

say they were long in the tooth,

it's a scapegoat, naysayers-

so they can blame it on youth.

Hue say's "We need to play better"

but the dude's just a douche,

Kevin Hogan's the answer,

quit hiding the truth.

Hue Jackson's a jackass,

jacking off in the booth,

if he keeps playing Kizer-

and suppressing the Truth.

Marc1971

"Get all our skill players involved".

LOL! We have skill players?

hoorta

@marc1971 said:

"Get all our skill players involved".

LOL! We have skill players?

We have Kenny "The POS" Britt.

PoeticG

I think that Peppers could contribute more on the Offensive side of the ball than what he is giving to Special Teams.

He clearly fair caught one I thought should have been allowed to go into the endzone. He's done average on kick returns and been just okay on Punt Returns.

I think that Duke Johnson is a playmaker.

QB is a skill position and I believe Hogan is a playmaker.

I think that all of our WRs have a shot at being good if they are given the opportunity. They are not getting a chance that chance with Kizer. A Quarterback needs to be like a point guard on the basketball court. They dish the rock and make assists happen. You would guys agree that some Point Guards are better at getting the ball out to the playmakers better than others? Why is football so different.

mjp28

@marc1971 said:

"Get all our skill players involved".

LOL! We have skill players?

What ticket takers and the guy's selling hot dogs aren't skilled players in Cleveland?

Tour2ma

@dutch-oven said:

PoG, I see under interests you like to write poems. Can you write a nice poem about Hogan? I think this board would enjoy it.

An ode to Hoge?

Tour2ma

Have to admit Hogan looked really good against the Bengals' 2nd teamers... /s

Dutch Oven

@tour2ma said:

Have to admit Hogan looked really good against the Bengals' 2nd teamers... /s

Kevin "Garbage Time" Hogan?

PoeticG

The only time that he's been allowed on the field... and every single time he's been given the opportunity all he does is win. That's all Hogan has ever done is win. I get that you wouldn't get that, after all - what do we know about winning, we're Browns Fans?

We play for high draft picks in Cleveland.

stillmotion

@poeticg said:

That's all Hogan has ever done is win.

PoG, I like Hogan, but you've gone full Tebow Skip Bayless on the "All he does is win", hahaha

Dutch Oven

At this point, I'm all for Hogan coming in and starting the next four games or so. Let Kizer catch his breath and learn some things from the time he's had so far.

I wouldn't be shocked if Hogan played better than Kizer. He has more NFL experience than Kizer does, and had more college experience too.

Doesn't change that I don't see Hogan being much more than Kessler 2.0.

Mudfly

agreed....id like to see Hogan, not because I think he's the answer. but because Kizer has been so bad.......we need a boost and Kizer aint gonna pick this team up and get a win.....no way no how....Hogan just might.....

Hempman

Another favor to Hogan is, he is the only QB the FO itself has brought in without Hue Jackson's "approval". Hue's QB choices have looked lackluster so far(RGIII,Kizer,Kessler).

Browns fans love the dialectical illusion of Hue Jackson and the "good ole boy" network. That rarely works. Ask LSU. The sabremetrics guys did not hire Hue Jackson in here. They were squashed together by Jimmy 18 months ago. They have given Hue his choice of QB's while they purged and are redrafting the roster. Hue and his chosen QB's are not getting the job done in progression. Nobody is asking for 9-10 wins. Just progression. I would not be surprised if the Brock starting preseason games wasn't a FO move only for them to be impressed by Hogan's development and so they dumped him and let Hue tie his own rope with Kizer. I think Hogan can become a wonderful backup QB in this league. Kizer right now, is not even that.

Marvin Lewis telling Jackson "don't let them quit on you" is damning bad for Jackson's future. The coaching community doesn't believe in him.

syd

@hempman said:

Another favor to Hogan is, he is the only QB the FO itself has brought in without Hue Jackson's "approval". Hue's QB choices have looked lackluster so far(RGIII,Kizer,Kessler).

Browns fans love the dialectical illusion of Hue Jackson and the "good ole boy" network. That rarely works. Ask LSU. The sabremetrics guys did not hire Hue Jackson in here. They were squashed together by Jimmy 18 months ago. They have given Hue his choice of QB's while they purged and are redrafting the roster. Hue and his chosen QB's are not getting the job done in progression. Nobody is asking for 9-10 wins. Just progression. I would not be surprised if the Brock starting preseason games wasn't a FO move only for them to be impressed by Hogan's development and so they dumped him and let Hue tie his own rope with Kizer. I think Hogan can become a wonderful backup QB in this league. Kizer right now, is not even that.

Marvin Lewis telling Jackson "don't let them quit on you" is damning bad for Jackson's future. The coaching community doesn't believe in him.

cowpoop hue has no say in the draft if any of them had a clue at all they would have drafted wentz or trub

Hempman

Hue absolutely has a say. His say on QB has been the deciding answer except for Hogan. Joel Berry likely has the highest say on the draft inside the FO outside QB. Wentz does not impress me. His pure throwing talent is weak. That is why Hue passed. Trub was supported inside by some of the Browns FO, which means a lot, but has not played yet and that probably is not a good sign this year for him. The way Hue gushes over Kizer and the lie it is sickens me.

Hue has made his own bed. He has made his own way. He was a bad hire from the start and I said so 18 months ago.

D Bone

@tour2ma said:

Have to admit Hogan looked really good against the Bengals' 2nd teamers... /s

Well, it was still totally fair as our 1st team O is nothing but an average NFL 2nd team unit.

ballpeen

I am all for giving Hogan a shot. Hue only pulled Kize because Cincy started going with back-up;s on D and didn't want Kizer to look like the Sheet he is against the 2nd team.

bbedward

@hempman said:

Another favor to Hogan is, he is the only QB the FO itself has brought in without Hue Jackson's "approval". Hue's QB choices have looked lackluster so far(RGIII,Kizer,Kessler).

Speculation, at best. I wouldn't expect a head coach to speak anything but positive about any QB the team signed or drafted.

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That said I'm down to see Hogan start this week against the Jets...This team desperately needs a win, and the offense has looked better in the brief time Hogan has played so far.

Kizer has great physical talent and high potential upside, but it was pretty well known that he would be a work-in-progress when he was drafted. He shouldn't have gotten thrust into the starting role on day 1

CaineDeSoulis

only 5 more interceptions and kizer has tied the number of interceptions thrown by the team last year. say what you will about Britt and the deflection INT but that ball was far far too fast and the spiral was so wobbly, In super slow mo looked like it was tumbling.