Garrett Hurt Already

[Orion]

@ghoolie said:

I was the first one

I assume you're quite happy that the Browns got 'phucked up' today.  Just like you've been hoping.

- leaving to go help Mrs. Wife with the grandkids while their parents are out -

[Ghoolie]

@orion said:

I assume you're quite happy that the Browns got 'phucked up' today.  Just like you've been hoping.

- leaving to go help Mrs. Wife with the grandkids while their parents are out -

Yeah. I enjoyed it. As I have said, I have had my fill of this Sheet. This franchise is destroying everything the Browns were ever about. Enough of this cowpoop pretending that EVERYTHING the Browns do is great, and everyone else sucks. On and on, endless mental masturbation about how we are finally on the right track, about how we finally have the right package, about how we are accumulating assets.

Do I honestly want the Browns franchise to be sold, moved and re-named? Absolutely. I want the very worst that can happen in this world to a football team to happen to this franchise. I don't care what it is, losses, draft pick busts even injuries, yes............... even injuries.

Look, 18 Shmucking years since the Fake Browns V2.0 has been raping Browns history. And the fans? The dumb fucks are such whores they will accept any piece of garbage, no matter how laughable it is, all because they just have to have the Browns to hold on to. You Shmucking people know the truth. This team has no connection to the team of Paul Brown. You know it, I know it, and the football gods know it. Hence you have Sheet picks like Coleman, Garrett and Kizer.

I get called a Troll, but my message IS consistent, and while people don't like it........... I sure as Shmuck have a greater grip on reality than any fan here, and any goddamned professional prognosticator. It's the Walter Mitty Sheet that get s me. man. How bad is it? You have a grown man, board monitor, Zomblow living a mental fantasy about fist fighting me. He wants to fistfight..............but yet I am the bully? Dude, the city of Cleveland is fucked up, Browns fans are fucked up and the franchise before us is commensurate with fucktardsville.

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I SAY.........Offensive linemen are fatasses, the least important and athletic players on the field. THe new OL won't make a difference

HOORTA INSISTS, with the board chiming in.........The NEw OL will deliver stellar reuslts.

Clearly, the 2017 line is no better than the 2016 version. DOn't tell me how it looks.............. RESULTS................The results show me to be dead butt on

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************I SAY ....... Greg WIlliams is a jackoff. His D will be no better than the 2016 version, and maybe worse because he is not about discipline...............

FLUGEL SAYS.............."Greg Williams will have this defense whipped into a frenzy.

So tell me again how I am wrong. I gotta hear this Sheet. Swiss Cheese Williams.......... Shmucking dumb bastard and Hue deserve each other

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And on and on and on it goes. Circle jerk over our ASSETS and draft picks, and our picks, like I said.........THE WORST Shmucking DRAFT IN 2016 AND 2017. Building for the future? Okay........ what characteristics of this 2 year old fuckpile is showing great strides? Who are our playmakers? How is the QB of this future? YOu draft a Socksucker who wants to be a Cowboy? 3 times his ankles are cracked and THIS is our great #1 #1?

No QB is ever good enough for our high standards............ no draft has a QB worthy of what we are looking for.....Ben, Marioata, Wentz, Gough, Trubisky.......Julio Jones, AJ Green, Petersen, Elliot, Bosa......................... no playmaker is ever good enough....we must trade down and build assets. Shmuck man, you don't win football with assets, you win with great playmakers.

All this focus on the OL and utility players hand Black Uncle Fester has delivered 1 - 19..................

So yeah, I was happy today. I am picking the Jets next week, and hoping we hear Garrets ankles go SNAP! again. 

I want this team to fail, to be sold, to be moed and renamed. It is a disgrace to the real Cleveland Browns.

[Orion]

@ghoolie said:

Clearly, the 2017 line is no better than the 2016 version. DOn't tell me how it looks.............. RESULTS................The results show me to be dead butt on

You have stubbornly been wrong about the offensive line ALL ALONG.  I've been telling you that the line IS BETTER because they don't have to play Cam Erving anymore.  And I've also told you that the OL may NOT make a hill of beans of difference because of our issue with skilled players.  Because our skilled players suck DOES NOT MEAN that our OL is not better.  Can you understand that concept??   It's like blaming our Michelin tires for losing races when we've got a 1.5 liter engine battling V8's.

I agree.  It's very sad watching our GOOD historic W/L stats erode away over the last two decades.  It's heartbreaking is what it is.  But we're stuck in this universe.

I agree.  We let good players go to other teams.  We do MORE than let, we GIVE them to other teams....and they give us their lousy draft slot and we pick a half butt player.  I wanted Wentz.  But NOOoooo, we want a bunch of half butt players instead.  And now Watson seems to be doing well for Houston.  Good for him.  But, of course it sucks to be us.

Maybe you're right and we should lose badly all year and get rid of the whole lot yet again.  One could argue that they're lousy talent evaluators.  Many of us have been wanting us to pick the best QB available for many years now.  But these guys want to wait until they THINK the next Tom Brady will be available to them.....no matter how many #1 picks they have to trade away while waiting. 

[Mudfly]

OL Better or worse?....hard to say.....but we are running the ball worse......and we are allowing as many sacks too.....other factors?.....maybe or maybe not.....

[Clevfan4life]

@ghoolie said:

I was the first one to bring actually truth about KWII never being any good after the first knee problem. My childhood best friend is a top Orthopod at UH...he tels me Garrett will never be hole and will have recurring ankle problems and not last in the NFL. I promise you, he's not going to contribute much.

They said exactly this about clowney s microfracture. Which if u really have a friend who's in ortho, will tell u it is 10x worse than ankle Sheet

[Tour2ma]

@mudfly said:

OL Better or worse?....hard to say.....but we are running the ball worse......and we are allowing as many sacks too.....other factors?.....maybe or maybe not.....

Twelve starting QBs have suffered more sacks then Kizer's 11. And we know he has taken more than was necessary. Proof? Kizer ranks 2nd in NextGen Stats' "time to throw" clocking in at 3.04 seconds. Whose #1? The new darling around here... Deshaun Watson at 3.11. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw

Then there's the sack trend for Weeks 1 thru 4... 7 - 2 - 1 - 1. To quote Sesame Street.... "One of these things is not like the others." https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KizeDe00/gamelog/2017/

Run game? Touched on this a couple days ago. Out of the ShotGun we are primarily running ZBS. Crow is not a ZBS back. Don't have stats on this. Just working off casual observation and general formation tendencies.

The OL is better.

[The Gipper]

@tour2ma said:

Love to see your "vast documentation"... Link? Also like how you snuck the 70's into the argument...

It is on this board somewhere.  I put it here. There was a huge thread on it.   Maybe if you had paid attention the first time you would have remembered it.    You can try doing a search. 

[Clevfan4life]

Shut garret down for the season. Start bringing up ps guys and pylling guys off the couch sitting at home. Find out who wants to play some real football. Schult needed pulled off the couch 2 weeks ago. Og and nassib need to sit. Bringing garrett back too soon means nothing and jeopardizes his production next season. I hate to say thst cause I wanna see him out there, but him being out there will not help og ir nas one iota cause they're getting handled easily 1v1 as it is. 

Shmuck this team blow everyone but the rookies the phuck up. 

[TopDawg31]

@mudfly said:

OL Better or worse?....hard to say.....but we are running the ball worse......and we are allowing as many sacks too.....other factors?.....maybe or maybe not.....

Crow has no vision, he runs into the back of somebody every time he runs the ball. I swear he closes his eyes as soon as he feels the handoff. 

[wargograw]

@clevfan4life said:

Shut garret down for the season. Start bringing up ps guys and pylling guys off the couch sitting at home. Find out who wants to play some real football. Schult needed pulled off the couch 2 weeks ago. Og and nassib need to sit. Bringing garrett back too soon means nothing and jeopardizes his production next season. I hate to say thst cause I wanna see him out there, but him being out there will not help og ir nas one iota cause they're getting handled easily 1v1 as it is. 

Shmuck this team blow everyone but the rookies the phuck up. 

Shut up about Schult already.

[Clevfan4life]

@wargograw said:

Shut up about Schult already.

I would if he had played like Sheet. But he outplayed both nassib, orchard and holmes in presradon against the same guys. So yeah i wanna see other guys brought in so we can see what they got. Its 4 games in now, the cincy game sealed the deal. Our line is likely not going to see worse ol's than cincy and ny next week. Sooo its bad. It just is. 

Im not claiming schult can come in here and do better, im saying lets find out. 

[hoorta]

@clevfan4life said:

I would if he had played like Sheet. But he outplayed both nassib, orchard and holmes in presradon against the same guys. So yeah i wanna see other guys brought in so we can see what they got. Its 4 games in now, the cincy game sealed the deal. Our line is likely not going to see worse ol's than cincy and ny next week. Sooo its bad. It just is. 

Im not claiming schult can come in here and do better, im saying lets find out. 

First quarter grades- Kizer F,  RBs D-, WRs F. Pass rush D. That is all.....   

[Clevfan4life]

@hoorta said:

First quarter grades- Kizer F,  RBs D-, WRs F. Pass rush D. That is all.....   

Pretty much

[Tour2ma]

@the-gipper said:

It is on this board somewhere.  I put it here. There was a huge thread on it.   Maybe if you had paid attention the first time you would have remembered it.    You can try doing a search. 

Says the guy who asks for every goggle-able crumb of info to be handed to him on a platter...

[jiggins7919]

Ya know, I really thought we'd see Garrett for about 20-30 plays last week.  A home game, a division game, and a match-up where we needed every spark possible.  Obviously Garrett didn't play, and it's probably a good thing.  

I can't imagine he'll sit out again.  Perhaps he doesn't play the entire game, but I have to imagine he'll be in the game in some capacity.  I guess it all depends on how he responds to practice.  If there's too much swelling and pain, he'll likely sit out.  If his body reacts well, he'll get the nod.  Lord knows we need SOMETHING to spark this team, and we need it before the players mentally give up.  

I'm pretty confident we'll see Garrett, but perhaps the BIGGER issue is we'll be without Jamie Collins (more than likely, I don't KNOW for a fact, just guessing).  I really thought Collins would've been back now, but hey...it's just how it is right now.  Bad luck and more of it.  Fingers crossed Jamie Collins...we need you so much.  

[TexasAg1969]

@jiggins7919 said:

Ya know, I really thought we'd see Garrett for about 20-30 plays last week.  A home game, a division game, and a match-up where we needed every spark possible.  Obviously Garrett didn't play, and it's probably a good thing.  

I can't imagine he'll sit out again.  Perhaps he doesn't play the entire game, but I have to imagine he'll be in the game in some capacity.  I guess it all depends on how he responds to practice.  If there's too much swelling and pain, he'll likely sit out.  If his body reacts well, he'll get the nod.  Lord knows we need SOMETHING to spark this team, and we need it before the players mentally give up.  

I'm pretty confident we'll see Garrett, but perhaps the BIGGER issue is we'll be without Jamie Collins (more than likely, I don't KNOW for a fact, just guessing).  I really thought Collins would've been back now, but hey...it's just how it is right now.  Bad luck and more of it.  Fingers crossed Jamie Collins...we need you so much.  

And Danny too. I really want to see all our D out there together @ 100%. I just think there is so much they can all do to keep the game close while we continue turning Kizer into a pro. It's too bad the Browns have been so bad so long. A team with a better recent history would have much more patience from fans during this difficult transition. We all have to keep remembering that it just started from scratch less than 2 years ago as a "new" old franchise. 

Patience grasshoppers.

[nickers]

Yes patience just to see Courtney Brown Part Deaux!

[TexasAg1969]

@nickers said:

Yes patience just to see Courtney Brown Part Deaux!

Go back and drool over your QB. I think that team needs your "support" more than the Browns players do. Take the Ghool with you.

[Westside Steve]

@texasag1969 said:

Go back and drool over your QB. I think that team needs your "support" more than the Browns players do. Take the Ghool with you.

Yeah? Well assuming he should be able to participate and contribute this Sunday...

On balance I try to be positive but I realize that the only way to shut up the guys that aren't positive is on the field. And it ain't happening yet.

WSS

[D Bone]

I'm hoping he got some custom made carbon fiber ankle braces from Amazon Prime before he subjects those skinny little ankles to any future trauma. 🥷