How many more times are we starting the 4-fit at QB?
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It would also help if all the injured players were able to take the field and if fist boy Isaiah Crowell would quit sucking.
WSS
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Well Tom.. I was distraught when we drafted Kizer because I thought he was pure Sheet when we drafted him.. For all the reasons you mentioned . this kid blows. To me its obvious Hogan is the better QB right now. Kizer can't even do what real QB's do and lead theyre WR's.. Ive seen hogan do this numerous times already.. I think Hue keeps starting Kizer because I actually feel there is dissention between the FO and the coaching staff.
Well Tom.. I was distraught when we drafted Kizer because I thought he was pure Sheet when we drafted him.. For all the reasons you mentioned . this kid blows. To me its obvious Hogan is the better QB right now. Kizer can't even do what real QB's do and lead theyre WR's.. Ive seen hogan do this numerous times already.. I think Hue keeps starting Kizer because I actually feel there is dissention between the FO and the coaching staff.
Like Hue thinks Kizer is going to get it- eventually? He must be damn sure he's not going to get fired even if we go 2-14 with Deshone? He might have unlimited patience bringing up his baby, but the fans won't. Not if with a limited sample size Hogan passes the eye test better to our unskilled eyes.
Yup Nickers, I thought Kizer didn't have NFL level skills @ Notre Dame either, and he's done nothing so far to make me change my mind. Question is, how many more stinko performances will it take out of his pet project to change Hue' s?
They lose to the Jets, it's going to get ugly.
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All hail the return of the Curmudgeon!
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
All hail the return of the Curmudgeon!
Me & Mud, just keeping it real around here..... I could argue the Browns performance against the Bengals Sunday belongs in the 10 worst ever category. An all phases of the game stink job.
You should see the local sports section. Recipe to get healthy? Play the Browns.
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Well Tom.. I was distraught when we drafted Kizer because I thought he was pure Sheet when we drafted him.. For all the reasons you mentioned . this kid blows. To me its obvious Hogan is the better QB right now. Kizer can't even do what real QB's do and lead theyre WR's.. Ive seen hogan do this numerous times already.. I think Hue keeps starting Kizer because I actually feel there is dissention between the FO and the coaching staff.
Like Hue thinks Kizer is going to get it- eventually? He must be damn sure he's not going to get fired even if we go 2-14 with Deshone? He might have unlimited patience bringing up his baby, but the fans won't. Not if with a limited sample size Hogan passes the eye test better to our unskilled eyes.
Yup Nickers, I thought Kizer didn't have NFL level skills @ Notre Dame either, and he's done nothing so far to make me change my mind. Question is, how many more stinko performances will it take out of his pet project to change Hue' s?
They lose to the Jets, it's going to get ugly.
Like Hue thinks Kizer is going to get it- eventually? He must be damn sure he's not going to get fired even if we go 2-14 with Deshone? He might have unlimited patience bringing up his baby, but the fans won't. Not if with a limited sample size Hogan passes the eye test better to our unskilled eyes.
Yup Nickers, I thought Kizer didn't have NFL level skills @ Notre Dame either, and he's done nothing so far to make me change my mind. Question is, how many more stinko performances will it take out of his pet project to change Hue' s?
They lose to the Jets, it's going to get ugly.
The fans don’t matter. You don’t matter. I don’t matter.
Literally zero people could go to the game for the next 12 weeks and it would still be a net profit for Haslam this year.
So using the argument “oh the fans are gonna revolt” is pretty useless. The Browns are going to start the guy they drafted in the second round because they think he could become the answer someday. That’s what’s happening. No amount of bitching is going to change that.
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Hello. All you bastards who post here should get on your knees and suck Ghoolies balls. He owns this board with his knowledge of football. Thanks.
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Hello. All you bastards who post here should get on your knees and suck Ghoolies balls. He owns this board with his knowledge of football. Thanks.
Hello. All you bastards who post here should get on your knees and suck Ghoolies balls. He owns this board with his knowledge of football. Thanks.
I assume that you are going to be the first in the Conga line.
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TCPO, can we get an actual report of what you're seeing Kizer do out there? I'm interested.
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Hello. All you bastards who post here should get on your knees and suck Ghoolies balls. He owns this board with his knowledge of football. Thanks.
Hello. All you bastards who post here should get on your knees and suck Ghoolies balls. He owns this board with his knowledge of football. Thanks.
A ghoolie by any other name is still a ghoolie. Nice try.
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Hello. All you bastards who post here should get on your knees and suck Ghoolies balls. He owns this board with his knowledge of football. Thanks.
A ghoolie by any other name is still a ghoolie. Nice try.
A ghoolie by any other name is still a ghoolie. Nice try.
I'm starting to think Boo Fagley is him too...
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A ghoolie by any other name is still a ghoolie. Nice try.
I'm starting to think Boo Fagley is him too...
I'm starting to think Boo Fagley is him too...
Absotively.
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Ghoolie said................ Offense wins, Offense makes the D
Flugel said.................."WIlliams will have the D whipped up into a frenzy"
I DID say he will improve our defense. He's taking over a 1-15 team so I'm comfortable all our coherent adults got the time frame. Most of them even understand the topic.
If it wasn't for Gregg Williams - Drew Brees wouldn't have his only SB ring. Williams was the DC when Tennessee made their only Superbowl. He's had a bunch of defenses that ranked in the top 5 so his credentials speak for themselves. All you got to do is put the bottle down for a second to research.
I'm very flattered how much you want to try to remember what I've said when you're all liquored up in here. Me thinks your steady refrain from cut and paste of what I said and how said it - says all that it has to. Unfortunately for you, you can't even remember what you've said or posted half the time.
Let's give this discussion back to the adults. Thanks for trying...
I DID say he will improve our defense. He's taking over a 1-15 team so I'm comfortable all our coherent adults got the time frame. Most of them even understand the topic.
If it wasn't for Gregg Williams - Drew Brees wouldn't have his only SB ring. Williams was the DC when Tennessee made their only Superbowl. He's had a bunch of defenses that ranked in the top 5 so his credentials speak for themselves. All you got to do is put the bottle down for a second to research.
I'm very flattered how much you want to try to remember what I've said when you're all liquored up in here. Me thinks your steady refrain from cut and paste of what I said and how said it - says all that it has to. Unfortunately for you, you can't even remember what you've said or posted half the time.
Let's give this discussion back to the adults. Thanks for trying...
Snappy comeback. WOW............. you really know football. Greg Williams ia a coffee fetcher, just like the caulk sucker Romeo Crennell who you GUARANTEED EVERYONE ON TBB that he was the secret behind Bill Belichik's Defense....................... and you assured us that Phil Sewage was the real genius behind Ozzie Newsom.
A$$hole worship. And now? Here you are sucking coffee fetcher penises again. Greg WIlliams is Romeo Crennell. He didn't do jack fauking Sheet in New Orleans. He did what he was told. This fauhking defense is no better than the 2016 version, in fact, it is worse.
You are so full of garbage the world's landfills have no more room.
As far as my quoting you, I quote a lot of dumb fauhks. This is how people here come to acknowledge people like you...........dumb fauhks. Your words, dude. YOu can't defend them, so you attack the guy quoting you. Stand by your words, pimpledick. I bitchslapped you over Sewage and Romeo, and I bitchslapped you on this piece of human waste Greg Williams.
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@boo-fagley said:
Never met him.
My ISP address is in Kansas. Ask Hoorta, he should be able to verify and is a straight shooter
Everyone who understands football, to these cunhts, is Ghoolie. Boo, seriously, this is the biggest bunch of dumb a$$es you will ever find. Everything so far that I said in the preseason that would happen, pretty much has. Mark them.........
I said Coleman was a waste, he would never last, too brittle, drops, not physical...............
Called Garrett weak, brittle....................this guy is a bigger bust than Phipps
Said the 2017 O would be as bad or worse
Said the 2017 D would be as bad or worse
Said the OL investment would yield not one single improvement
Said WIlliams was Sheet, that all he would do is raise a frenzy of more pentalies, and make schidt QBs look great
Called this team at 2 - 14 +/- 1 win
So, who has called it more accurately? Who? I am the fauhking king. All bow, like it or not, you're all my sluts.
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Everything will change when the QB play changes hands.
Hue is putting 100% stock into Kizer. He's made it personal, he said that he and Kizer speak the same language? What the Shmuck does that even mean? Shouldn't all the QB's under him be able to speak the same language? Maybe that's why Hogan's QB to Coach radio wasn't working the last game.
It all starts with the QB. This team can win with the players it has on the roster today.
When the offense moves the chains it allows you to work the running game more, when the running game gets going they have to try and stop it, that opens up the passing game. When the offense gets a defense on its heels they are able to score points. When the Offense scores points it put the pressure on the other teams offense to score points, when the other teams offense NEEDS to score points it takes chances, which leads to turnovers for our Defense. When our Defense is energized and plays loose it forces 3 and outs. When the other teams are forced to punt after a 3 and out it puts our Special Teams in position to give the Offense some good field position. When our Offense gets good field position...
...and the cycle continues. But, when your QB is not ready to play and commits turnovers and errant passes that leads to incompletions. When the QB doesn't get out of the tacklebox and throws the ball away but instead lays down for a 14 yard sack it leads to 3 and outs. When your offense goes 3 and out multiple times and can't even get a single positive yard it puts the pressure on the Defense...
... This is very basic stuff. Put Hogan in the game and we'll finish above .500, I promise you.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
TCPO, can we get an actual report of what you're seeing Kizer do out there? I'm interested.
TCPO, can we get an actual report of what you're seeing Kizer do out there? I'm interested.
Sure, probably get something up this weekend.
Im not saying the dude is perfect by any means. But I believe the plan is that we’re sticking with him all season (barring injury) so we’ll have a clearer picture of where we stand by next draft.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Everything will change when the QB play changes hands.
Hue is putting 100% stock into Kizer. He's made it personal, he said that he and Kizer speak the same language? What the Shmuck does that even mean? Shouldn't all the QB's under him be able to speak the same language? Maybe that's why Hogan's QB to Coach radio wasn't working the last game.
It all starts with the QB. This team can win with the players it has on the roster today.
When the offense moves the chains it allows you to work the running game more, when the running game gets going they have to try and stop it, that opens up the passing game. When the offense gets a defense on its heels they are able to score points. When the Offense scores points it put the pressure on the other teams offense to score points, when the other teams offense NEEDS to score points it takes chances, which leads to turnovers for our Defense. When our Defense is energized and plays loose it forces 3 and outs. When the other teams are forced to punt after a 3 and out it puts our Special Teams in position to give the Offense some good field position. When our Offense gets good field position...
...and the cycle continues. But, when your QB is not ready to play and commits turnovers and errant passes that leads to incompletions. When the QB doesn't get out of the tacklebox and throws the ball away but instead lays down for a 14 yard sack it leads to 3 and outs. When your offense goes 3 and out multiple times and can't even get a single positive yard it puts the pressure on the Defense...
... This is very basic stuff. Put Hogan in the game and we'll finish above .500, I promise you.
Everything will change when the QB play changes hands.
... This is very basic stuff. Put Hogan in the game and we'll finish above .500, I promise you.
I sincerely hope Hogan does start now, because I'm going to offer you a massive bet on this. Kevin Hogan is a career backup, and while he very well could be better at this moment than Kizer, he isn't turning this team around, and he isn't a franchise QB. Andy Reid, who I think knows a little bit about QBs, deemed him so good that he drafted him in the 5th round only to cut him before his rookie season started. So apparently Andy Reid had something personal against Hogan too.
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DOg- I don't know if you missed it BUT here it is...
Andy Reid had 5 QBs on the roster. Five Qbs and Hogan was the 5th, selected in the 5th round.
They had Alex Smith, Nick Foles, Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray and Kevin Hogan.
They tried to stash Hogan on the practice squad but we scooped him up.
My point is Andy Reid didn't have enough time to evaluate and/or develop Hogan with four other QBs on the roster.
I don't know what makes you think that Hogan cannot be a franchise QB.
Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.
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DOg- I don't know if you missed it BUT here it is...
Andy Reid had 5 QBs on the roster. Five Qbs and Hogan was the 5th, selected in the 5th round.
They had Alex Smith, Nick Foles, Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray and Kevin Hogan.
They tried to stash Hogan on the practice squad but we scooped him up.
My point is Andy Reid didn't have enough time to evaluate and/or develop Hogan with four other QBs on the roster.
I don't know what makes you think that Hogan cannot be a franchise QB.
Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.
DOg- I don't know if you missed it BUT here it is...
Andy Reid had 5 QBs on the roster. Five Qbs and Hogan was the 5th, selected in the 5th round.
They had Alex Smith, Nick Foles, Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray and Kevin Hogan.
They tried to stash Hogan on the practice squad but we scooped him up.
My point is Andy Reid didn't have enough time to evaluate and/or develop Hogan with four other QBs on the roster.
I don't know what makes you think that Hogan cannot be a franchise QB.
Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.
Andy Reid apparently had enough time to evaluate the QBs on his roster in 2016 to realize that he did not have a franchise QB on his roster to eventually take over for Alex Smith, so the very next draft he traded away a ton to draft (potentially) a franchise QB in Pat Mahomes in Round 1.
But yes, I'm sure you know more than Andy Reid and Hue Jackson.
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Here you go Dutch, just for you, straight from the horse's mouth... and here's the link in case you wanted to read it for yourself.
https://gonzagasports.org/2016/05/04/chiefs-coach-andy-reid-and-qb-kevin-hogan-11-are-a-perfect-fit/
The Chiefs selected former Stanford QB Kevin Hogan with one of their fifth-round picks
He’s the winningest quarterback in the history of a Stanford football program that has seen the likes of John Brodie, Jim Plunkett, John Elway and Andrew Luck.So for one of Kansas City’s fifth-round picks, quarterback Kevin Hogan, the résumé is long and distinguished.
He was 36-10 in his four-year career at Stanford, including a 16-6 mark against teams ranked in the AP Top 25. He’s Stanford’s all-time rushing leader at quarterback, the program’s leader in total offense and was a two-time captain.
The 6-foot-4, 218-pound Hogan completed 66 percent of his passes with 75 touchdowns and 29 interceptions in his career, which culminated with a blowout victory over Iowa in the Rose Bowl.
His scouting report reads as a player who is accurate, extremely intelligent and is going to make the right decisions in the right situations.
It sounds exactly like the traits head coach Andy Reid looks for in a quarterback who would be capable in playing at a high level in his system.
“He’s got great mobility and feet in the pocket,” Reid said on Saturday. “He’s got a better‐than average arm and has a quick release. You won’t find anybody who works smarter, harder, all those intangible things. He’s got them all and I think he’s done a pretty good job at Stanford. I think that speaks for itself.
“They won a lot of football games.”
Hogan helped lead the Cardinal to three Pac 12 championships, which no other Stanford quarterback can say, and he is also the only quarterback in history to lead his team to three Rose Bowls.
Maybe the most impressive thing about Hogan is the responsibility and trust that head coach David Shaw gave him within their offensive scheme.
“Not only were they doing run‐pass checks at the line of scrimmage and having [Hogan’s] ability to audible out of things, but sometimes he’s carrying three plays into the line of scrimmage,” Trey Koziol, the area scout for the Chiefs who initially evaluated Hogan, said. “That’s something that’s really advanced for the college levels.
“I don’t think there will be any problems with him acclimating to the verbiage that I know coach [Reid] uses in our offense.”
The verbose offense that comes along with Reid’s playbook is an adjustment for any college player coming to the NFL, but given the fact that Stanford ran a pro-style system, combined with Hogan’s already high football IQ, there’s reason to feel good about his ability to pick things up quickly with the Chiefs.
“You’re not going to run out of gigabytes with [Hogan],” Reid explained. “You’ve got plenty of them. Like we do with [Alex Smith] and our other two quarterbacks, these are all smart guys who are able to work things at the line of scrimmage.
“That’s a big part of our offense so I think [Hogan] will fit right in with that.”
Hogan doesn’t think it will be an issue.
“Having had that experience with the pro-style West Coast offense, it’s a lot of the same concepts and progressions,” he said. “Even though the terminology and whatnot might be different, I think it will be a smooth transition.
“I know it’s not going to be easy. It’s going to take a lot of hard work and adjustment, but I’m excited to come in and get to work.”
The opportunity to come and work under Reid and Smith is something that Hogan understood right when his name was called.
“It was just an amazing feeling,” Hogan said via conference call after being selected. “I am kind of lost for words right now, but it’s like a dream come true. It’s something you always dream about and just for a place like Kansas City, what a situation for me to come in and learn from [Smith] and under the leadership of Reid.
“I’m just so excited for the opportunity.”
Hogan said he’s never met Smith but has admired his game from afar.
“He was definitely someone that I watched a lot of film on,” he explained. “He’s someone that runs a pro‐style offense but is very athletic as well. I watched a lot of tape on him but I never got to know him personally. I’m looking forward to that.
“I’m going to soak it all in like a sponge, similarly to how I did in my early years here (at Stanford) with Andrew Luck. Just going to try to contribute to a good quarterback room and help out the team in whatever way I can.”
Hogan had the unfortunate task at Stanford of stepping in to replace Luck, who went No. 1 overall to the Indianapolis Colts in the 2012 NFL Draft after being a two-time All-American at Stanford.
They were big shoes to fill.
Luck has been the three Pro Bowls in his four years in the NFL, including leading the NFL in touchdown passes in 2014 (40).
Hogan said Luck was one of the guys who helped him throughout the pre-draft process, and that he’ll continue to serve as a mentor to him.
Luck will be just another person to add to the list of football mentors Hogan has had throughout his life.
His two uncles played football at Notre Dame and his grandfather played at Navy, so he’s been around the game since he was a kid, which may help explain where the high mental acuity for the position is derived.
“My family is a football family,” he said. “It’s something that I have dreamed of doing since I was a little kid, playing in the NFL. Having this opportunity right now is truly a blessing. I know it’s just the first step in a long journey, but I know where my head is at.”
When asked which game fans should watch of Hogan’s to get an idea of what kind of player he is, Koziol said the college football playoff game against Notre Dame—the team Hogan grew up rooting for with his father, who had passed away the year before.
In 2014, Hogan’s teammates didn’t even know his father, Jerry, was sick with colon cancer.
It was something he kept private, but that night a year later, the story was very much public, and his performance against Notre Dame ended with him putting his team in position for a game-winning field goal attempt in the final seconds.
Trailing 36-35 with 30 seconds remaining and the ball at their own 27-yard line, Hogan orchestrated a 5-play, 45-yard drive highlighted by a 27-yard strike from Hogan to receiver Devon Cajuste with just 10 seconds left in the game.
One play later, Conrad Ukropina kicked a game-winning 35-yard field goal as time expired.
“That’s a big time rivalry,” Koziol said. “Obviously with his family’s connections with Notre Dame, that’s a very important game for him and I thought he really showed up in a primetime matchup versus a really talented team.”
Hogan finished 17 of 21 for 269 yards and 4 touchdowns on a night that was emotional for both him and his coach.
“[Hogan] did a great job of keeping all that at bay and just playing football,” David Shaw, his coach at Stanford, said after that game. “But at the end of the day, he was going to be emotional. I was emotional. He didn’t play one of his best games against these guys last year, and he played one of his best games tonight.
“I can’t say how proud I am of him.”
That’s the kind of player you want leading your football team.
He’s smart, driven and played his best football in the biggest of situations, both between the lines and through personal adversity. He stepped up for his teammates.
It’s something he’ll bring to Kansas City.
“I have that blue‐collar mentality and I’m going to get in and work hard every day and earn the trust of my teammates. They can count on me.”
He’s proven that and it’s just one of many reasons he’s a perfect fit with Reid here in Kansas City.
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