Has the Browns inability to win over 2 decades cause you to lose interest?
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please, Ghoolie. You're a formulaic troll. You Sheet on the Browns with tired generalities and absolutely zero football insight. You're not a mystic, you're a garden variety Sheet talker who never gets called on your revisionist history. Anyone who remembers your rants realizes that you know Shmuckall about football, but as long as you Sheet on the Browns at every step, you'll be able to say "I was right" until the Browns start to win.
im not even mad at you, I just don't understand how people buy into it. The "looks like ghoolie was right" crowd are the same Shmucks who put stock in astrology and fortune cookies: easily misguided mooks who don't understand that a troll who sticks to their guns can only "lose" once. I would say that day is coming, but with the way the Browns have been playing this millennium, you may be able to convince these rubes that you know what football is until you're in the ground.
please, Ghoolie. You're a formulaic troll. You Sheet on the Browns with tired generalities and absolutely zero football insight. You're not a mystic, you're a garden variety Sheet talker who never gets called on your revisionist history. Anyone who remembers your rants realizes that you know Shmuckall about football, but as long as you Sheet on the Browns at every step, you'll be able to say "I was right" until the Browns start to win.
im not even mad at you, I just don't understand how people buy into it. The "looks like ghoolie was right" crowd are the same Shmucks who put stock in astrology and fortune cookies: easily misguided mooks who don't understand that a troll who sticks to their guns can only "lose" once. I would say that day is coming, but with the way the Browns have been playing this millennium, you may be able to convince these rubes that you know what football is until you're in the ground.
Easy RR. More than half that "Goolie is right" crowd is him using different screen names. Just systematically put them all on ignore and you won't even have to read the quotes. nickers is on the borderline.
The tipoff for "policeman" was the claim that no one here better tangle with him. LOL!
Boo just got progressively worse and more Ghoolielike every day. off to internet dungeon for both.
nickers you're pushing for jail time. keep quoting and praising and off you go. I'd much prefer to read your own opinions and not G-quote reactions.
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You aren't simple as hell. You are a regular, reasonable man, but let me help you grasp the highlight.
Let me take a short diversion. I recently invented and developed a new water technology. To sell it for its full potential, instead of marketing it now, I decided to seek some venture capital to build a testing facility and really create an industry buzz. I took on a legal/financial partner as they understand the wold of capital and assets. So, my partner and I asked for a certain sum of money, in return for a 10% interest in the company. Just this past week a major interest told us that they are interested but afraid to invest for fear that we are not asking for enough up front capital. WTF? I said to myself. So, as it turns out, for the same financial interest, they are working up an offer that is 15 times what we asked for. Their reasoning? In the event we under-budgeted they don't want to have to go back through the due dilligence process to obtain more interest in return for more money. So, we are going to accept 15 times what we wanted. Goofy, eh?
Here is the deal, people with money, Real money, Haslam money, don't do anything that causes them to get their fingers dirty. They don't want fan involvement, they don't want media attention, they just don't want to interact with the every day BS of what you and I experience as normal life.
So too with a football team. Haslam is not going to get his hands dirty. What you see now, is as involved as he will ever get. People like this isolate themselves. Modell is an example of a rich guy who was not of the wealth caliber Haslam is, but Haslam would NEVER subject himself to airing dirty laundry. When he has his fill, and I have to think he is close, he will wash his hands of the Browns, and the new owner? DO you really think another millionaire is going to want to acquire a new NFL team and then have to get down into the mud to try and fix it?
I believe the clock is ticking and I believe if Kizer does not magically rise to greatness, Hue is gone before the season is over.
I have a feeling Hue is gone by mid season regardless...
I have a feeling Hue is gone by mid season regardless...
Of course he is gone. I have been guaranteeing it all along. If you are a Browns fan, you have to be rooting for 0 - 16. This franchise needs to go.
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It's gotten me angry. who wants to spend their sundays annoyed and depressed. I'd care a lot more if i felt we did all we could toTRY TO WIN. We're simply not now.
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I still have interest, though I may give up my season tickets after this year. I live 600 miles away and don't have as much interest in driving up for 6 or so games. I would still come up for 3-4 games a year.
I still have interest, though I may give up my season tickets after this year. I live 600 miles away and don't have as much interest in driving up for 6 or so games. I would still come up for 3-4 games a year.
I have always admired you for driving up to Cleveland to see games (since my days back on another board that I quit going to years ago).
I've said many times, after prolonged losing and crappiness, apathy HAS TO set in.
The only answer is that maybe we shouldn’t change everything so often.....
That sounds logical...but it's only practical if you have the 'right' people in place (GM, coaches). There is no way that we could've continued with Ray Farmer & Mike Pettine. You can't have continuity just for the sake of continuity.
This is the wrong place to ask that question. We are die-hards and what happens in here is not reflective of the real world.
Truth.
It isn't just winning that brings popularity, it is also having iconic stars who fans can relate to.
Mostly true. You're probably not going to have a consistently winning organization without a star or two though.
People talk about 'Defense Wins Championships'. But that's only true if your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs. - The nation wants to see offense. The NFL knows that. That's why the rules have been tweaked to promote offense and scoring. Sure, maybe there's some die-hard fans, that frequent those message boards, that would love a defensive 10-6 ball game played in mud...but the VAST majority of fans want to see an exciting offensive game. A Dan Fouts type of game.
Our team hasn't had any offense but once in the last two decades. And in that year we were popular. - We have NO offensive stars. None. There's absolutely NO reason to show us on TV for the masses to see. People would just change the channel to the 'other' game...or golf...or roller derby....or go rake leaves. - Haslam tried once. He drafted Manziel. I'm convinced that Haslam wanted the colorful Manziel to glitz up his team. It just didn't work because the kid was a jerk.
As good as Garrett may be (and we're not all that sure of that anymore with his spindly little ankles), he WILL NOT throw any TD passes. We need TD passes.....and we don't seem to have the talent on either end of the pass to get TD's. And because of that we're going to see an increase of orange chairs and opponent's jerseys in the stands as this season marches on. And that's NOT going to get fixed until we STOP giving other teams our draft spot so that THEY can draft the good players while WE get the lower draft slots and draft half-assed talent.
It's ALL about offense. The networks and the vast majority of the nation's fans want to see offensive highlights...with an occasional defensive highlight sprinkled in for good measure.
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I still have interest, though I may give up my season tickets after this year. I live 600 miles away and don't have as much interest in driving up for 6 or so games. I would still come up for 3-4 games a year.
I have always admired you for driving up to Cleveland to see games (since my days back on another board that I quit going to years ago).
I've said many times, after prolonged losing and crappiness, apathy HAS TO set in.
The only answer is that maybe we shouldn’t change everything so often.....
That sounds logical...but it's only practical if you have the 'right' people in place (GM, coaches). There is no way that we could've continued with Ray Farmer & Mike Pettine. You can't have continuity just for the sake of continuity.
This is the wrong place to ask that question. We are die-hards and what happens in here is not reflective of the real world.
Truth.
It isn't just winning that brings popularity, it is also having iconic stars who fans can relate to.
Mostly true. You're probably not going to have a consistently winning organization without a star or two though.
People talk about 'Defense Wins Championships'. But that's only true if your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs. - The nation wants to see offense. The NFL knows that. That's why the rules have been tweaked to promote offense and scoring. Sure, maybe there's some die-hard fans, that frequent those message boards, that would love a defensive 10-6 ball game played in mud...but the VAST majority of fans want to see an exciting offensive game. A Dan Fouts type of game.
Our team hasn't had any offense but once in the last two decades. And in that year we were popular. - We have NO offensive stars. None. There's absolutely NO reason to show us on TV for the masses to see. People would just change the channel to the 'other' game...or golf...or roller derby....or go rake leaves. - Haslam tried once. He drafted Manziel. I'm convinced that Haslam wanted the colorful Manziel to glitz up his team. It just didn't work because the kid was a jerk.
As good as Garrett may be (and we're not all that sure of that anymore with his spindly little ankles), he WILL NOT throw any TD passes. We need TD passes.....and we don't seem to have the talent on either end of the pass to get TD's. And because of that we're going to see an increase of orange chairs and opponent's jerseys in the stands as this season marches on. And that's NOT going to get fixed until we STOP giving other teams our draft spot so that THEY can draft the good players while WE get the lower draft slots and draft half-assed talent.
It's ALL about offense. The networks and the vast majority of the nation's fans want to see offensive highlights...with an occasional defensive highlight sprinkled in for good measure.
I have always admired you for driving up to Cleveland to see games (since my days back on another board that I quit going to years ago).
I've said many times, after prolonged losing and crappiness, apathy HAS TO set in.
That sounds logical...but it's only practical if you have the 'right' people in place (GM, coaches). There is no way that we could've continued with Ray Farmer & Mike Pettine. You can't have continuity just for the sake of continuity.
Truth.
Mostly true. You're probably not going to have a consistently winning organization without a star or two though.
People talk about 'Defense Wins Championships'. But that's only true if your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs. - The nation wants to see offense. The NFL knows that. That's why the rules have been tweaked to promote offense and scoring. Sure, maybe there's some die-hard fans, that frequent those message boards, that would love a defensive 10-6 ball game played in mud...but the VAST majority of fans want to see an exciting offensive game. A Dan Fouts type of game.
Our team hasn't had any offense but once in the last two decades. And in that year we were popular. - We have NO offensive stars. None. There's absolutely NO reason to show us on TV for the masses to see. People would just change the channel to the 'other' game...or golf...or roller derby....or go rake leaves. - Haslam tried once. He drafted Manziel. I'm convinced that Haslam wanted the colorful Manziel to glitz up his team. It just didn't work because the kid was a jerk.
As good as Garrett may be (and we're not all that sure of that anymore with his spindly little ankles), he WILL NOT throw any TD passes. We need TD passes.....and we don't seem to have the talent on either end of the pass to get TD's. And because of that we're going to see an increase of orange chairs and opponent's jerseys in the stands as this season marches on. And that's NOT going to get fixed until we STOP giving other teams our draft spot so that THEY can draft the good players while WE get the lower draft slots and draft half-assed talent.
It's ALL about offense. The networks and the vast majority of the nation's fans want to see offensive highlights...with an occasional defensive highlight sprinkled in for good measure.
Good points, although Texas VAG is now going to accuse you of being me.
Garrett is not good, and he is not going to be good. He is mentally weak and now we see he has anklh issues. He will most likely get hurt Sunday, if he even plays much.
On to offense. Cleveland is the only team whose fans, media and coaches loathe playmakers. When we do take offensive players, it is always the second tier guys, like Coleman. Offense makes the defense. Skilled players make the offensive line. As good as Joe Thomas is, he didn't move the needle on one single measurable metric of offensive production. You have to have big talent at the positions that touch the ball. After that, the importance of players is diminished.
I believe the problem the Browns have steps from the owners listening to Bernie Kosar, Jim Brown and Dough Drunken. These three fauhktards are responsible for the franchise mentally masturbating over fatass OL.
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I still have interest, though I may give up my season tickets after this year. I live 600 miles away and don't have as much interest in driving up for 6 or so games. I would still come up for 3-4 games a year.
I have always admired you for driving up to Cleveland to see games (since my days back on another board that I quit going to years ago).
I've said many times, after prolonged losing and crappiness, apathy HAS TO set in.
The only answer is that maybe we shouldn’t change everything so often.....
That sounds logical...but it's only practical if you have the 'right' people in place (GM, coaches). There is no way that we could've continued with Ray Farmer & Mike Pettine. You can't have continuity just for the sake of continuity.
This is the wrong place to ask that question. We are die-hards and what happens in here is not reflective of the real world.
Truth.
It isn't just winning that brings popularity, it is also having iconic stars who fans can relate to.
Mostly true. You're probably not going to have a consistently winning organization without a star or two though.
People talk about 'Defense Wins Championships'. But that's only true if your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs. - The nation wants to see offense. The NFL knows that. That's why the rules have been tweaked to promote offense and scoring. Sure, maybe there's some die-hard fans, that frequent those message boards, that would love a defensive 10-6 ball game played in mud...but the VAST majority of fans want to see an exciting offensive game. A Dan Fouts type of game.
Our team hasn't had any offense but once in the last two decades. And in that year we were popular. - We have NO offensive stars. None. There's absolutely NO reason to show us on TV for the masses to see. People would just change the channel to the 'other' game...or golf...or roller derby....or go rake leaves. - Haslam tried once. He drafted Manziel. I'm convinced that Haslam wanted the colorful Manziel to glitz up his team. It just didn't work because the kid was a jerk.
As good as Garrett may be (and we're not all that sure of that anymore with his spindly little ankles), he WILL NOT throw any TD passes. We need TD passes.....and we don't seem to have the talent on either end of the pass to get TD's. And because of that we're going to see an increase of orange chairs and opponent's jerseys in the stands as this season marches on. And that's NOT going to get fixed until we STOP giving other teams our draft spot so that THEY can draft the good players while WE get the lower draft slots and draft half-assed talent.
It's ALL about offense. The networks and the vast majority of the nation's fans want to see offensive highlights...with an occasional defensive highlight sprinkled in for good measure.
It's ALL about offense. The networks and the vast majority of the nation's fans want to see offensive highlights...with an occasional defensive highlight sprinkled in for good measure.
Noted exceptions are Houston with Watt/Clowney and Denver with Miller & the No Fly Zone DB's. The fans there love that more than their offenses. I love fans that go nuts over great defensive play that sets up half their scoring. The Browns have the potential to develop that too. It would be a shot in the arm for the Dog Pound which I think would just eat it up just as much as either of those two fan bases.
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Worst franchise in all of sports. Simply awful from top to bottom.
The problem is that I don't think that the talent on this team is overall that bad. It just cannot perform well at all.
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It's ALL about offense. The networks and the vast majority of the nation's fans want to see offensive highlights...with an occasional defensive highlight sprinkled in for good measure.
Noted exceptions are Houston with Watt/Clowney and Denver with Miller & the No Fly Zone DB's. The fans there love that more than their offenses. I love fans that go nuts over great defensive play that sets up half their scoring. The Browns have the potential to develop that too. It would be a shot in the arm for the Dog Pound which I think would just eat it up just as much as either of those two fan bases.
Noted exceptions are Houston with Watt/Clowney and Denver with Miller & the No Fly Zone DB's. The fans there love that more than their offenses. I love fans that go nuts over great defensive play that sets up half their scoring. The Browns have the potential to develop that too. It would be a shot in the arm for the Dog Pound which I think would just eat it up just as much as either of those two fan bases.
What did Houston do? They traded for a QB. (and, of course, we gave them one)
What is Denver trying to do? Find a QB to make for a productive offense.
Why are they doing that? Because defense alone will not get you where you need to go.
...and probably starting this week, our Dog Pound (Dawg Pound) will be predominately comprised of other team's jerseys.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Browns VP remains confident in plan despite losses piling up
Ol' Sashi can see the improvement. - I'm comforted now.
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The problem is that I don't think that the talent on this team is overall that bad. It just cannot perform well at all.
yeah, i couldn't last a week without exploding....
Talent? What talent? i've pretty much watched 15 mins of the nfl since the anthem boycott. but the highlights i see of the browns are of the other team's wrs running through our defense like a hot knife thru butter and players either not fast enough to catch and tackle the guy or they just give up.
thank god i didn't make those TENACIOUS DEFENSE shirts cuz you'd all be laughed out of town.
and btw gipper why don't you just change your username to the yapper?
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The problem is that I don't think that the talent on this team is overall that bad. It just cannot perform well at all.
yeah, i couldn't last a week without exploding....
Talent? What talent? i've pretty much watched 15 mins of the nfl since the anthem boycott. but the highlights i see of the browns are of the other team's wrs running through our defense like a hot knife thru butter and players either not fast enough to catch and tackle the guy or they just give up.
thank god i didn't make those TENACIOUS DEFENSE shirts cuz you'd all be laughed out of town.
and btw gipper why don't you just change your username to the yapper?
yeah, i couldn't last a week without exploding....
I thought you were having your account deleted. Something about Browns and cocaine. - Make a t-shirt, "I don't give a crap about the Browns".
----------- now see what you made me do? My 1000th post is a crappy, sarcastic, no value added post.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
The problem is that I don't think that the talent on this team is overall that bad. It just cannot perform well at all.
yeah, i couldn't last a week without exploding....
Talent? What talent? i've pretty much watched 15 mins of the nfl since the anthem boycott. but the highlights i see of the browns are of the other team's wrs running through our defense like a hot knife thru butter and players either not fast enough to catch and tackle the guy or they just give up.
thank god i didn't make those TENACIOUS DEFENSE shirts cuz you'd all be laughed out of town.
and btw gipper why don't you just change your username to the yapper?
yeah, i couldn't last a week without exploding....
Talent? What talent? i've pretty much watched 15 mins of the nfl since the anthem boycott. but the highlights i see of the browns are of the other team's wrs running through our defense like a hot knife thru butter and players either not fast enough to catch and tackle the guy or they just give up.
thank god i didn't make those TENACIOUS DEFENSE shirts cuz you'd all be laughed out of town.
and btw gipper why don't you just change your username to the yapper?
Welcome back mik. Glad to see you here.
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yeah, i couldn't last a week without exploding....
I thought you were having your account deleted. Something about Browns and cocaine. - Make a t-shirt, "I don't give a crap about the Browns".
----------- now see what you made me do? My 1000th post is a crappy, sarcastic, no value added post.
I thought you were having your account deleted. Something about Browns and cocaine. - Make a t-shirt, "I don't give a crap about the Browns".
----------- now see what you made me do? My 1000th post is a crappy, sarcastic, no value added post.
i did have it deleted but missed you sooooo much i had to come back to slap you all back down to earth and say 'i told you so!'
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I thought you were having your account deleted. Something about Browns and cocaine. - Make a t-shirt, "I don't give a crap about the Browns".
----------- now see what you made me do? My 1000th post is a crappy, sarcastic, no value added post.
i did have it deleted but missed you sooooo much i had to come back to slap you all back down to earth and say 'i told you so!'
i did have it deleted but missed you sooooo much i had to come back to slap you all back down to earth and say 'i told you so!'
You and your deeply-held principles came back to the board to tell Browns fans that the Browns suck is as earth-shattering news as you telling us the sun rises in the east, sets in the west, and water is wet.
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please, Ghoolie. You're a formulaic troll. You Sheet on the Browns with tired generalities and absolutely zero football insight. You're not a mystic, you're a garden variety Sheet talker who never gets called on your revisionist history. Anyone who remembers your rants realizes that you know Shmuckall about football, but as long as you Sheet on the Browns at every step, you'll be able to say "I was right" until the Browns start to win.
im not even mad at you, I just don't understand how people buy into it. The "looks like ghoolie was right" crowd are the same Shmucks who put stock in astrology and fortune cookies: easily misguided mooks who don't understand that a troll who sticks to their guns can only "lose" once. I would say that day is coming, but with the way the Browns have been playing this millennium, you may be able to convince these rubes that you know what football is until you're in the ground.
Easy RR. More than half that "Goolie is right" crowd is him using different screen names. Just systematically put them all on ignore and you won't even have to read the quotes. nickers is on the borderline.
The tipoff for "policeman" was the claim that no one here better tangle with him. LOL!
Boo just got progressively worse and more Ghoolielike every day. off to internet dungeon for both.
nickers you're pushing for jail time. keep quoting and praising and off you go. I'd much prefer to read your own opinions and not G-quote reactions.
Easy RR. More than half that "Goolie is right" crowd is him using different screen names. Just systematically put them all on ignore and you won't even have to read the quotes. nickers is on the borderline.
The tipoff for "policeman" was the claim that no one here better tangle with him. LOL!
Boo just got progressively worse and more Ghoolielike every day. off to internet dungeon for both.
nickers you're pushing for jail time. keep quoting and praising and off you go. I'd much prefer to read your own opinions and not G-quote reactions.
I haven't looked up the ISPs Ag, but I can damn guarantee you Nickers isn't ghoulie. I see him on the other place regularly. Boo only got accused when he started giving Ghoolie props. (He's a Pat's fan at heart. Policeman I don't know, and I don't care- he's not making a favorable first impression.
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