Garrett Hurt Already
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It was me. I said Kansas. You don't read.
No, you don't read. Here is what Nickers said:
I hate to digress.. But dayum.. Most people in Arkansas are broke.. And theyre gonna hang that on them?.. Wow!
I was responding to his statement about Arkansas when I made the comment about the Waltons.
Are you always this full of hubris?
No, you don't read. Here is what Nickers said:
I hate to digress.. But dayum.. Most people in Arkansas are broke.. And theyre gonna hang that on them?.. Wow!
I was responding to his statement about Arkansas when I made the comment about the Waltons.
Are you always this full of hubris?
OK... I stand corrected. Should have said you don't read from the beginning. Better?
As for my hubris level? Yes, always this level. Just falls well shy of yours... just as it always has.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I felt like last week was pretty much the perfect game for Garrett to come back because the Bengals have very low rated OT's. Obviously he wasn't healthy enough yet, and we didn't get to see our prized selection. This game is just about as good though because it's a home game, Myles is DEFINITELY ready to go, and we know more than anyone how McCown tends to hold onto the ball. Even at his age, McCown is still mobile enough to hurt you a bit with his legs, but I have a feeling we're going to be able to force him into some poor throws or simply holding onto the ball too long and taking a few sacks.
An interesting, and somewhat depressing set of stats I recently heard was the Browns blitz more than any other team, and we have the least SUCCESS of any team in the league. Ouch. Adding to the pain is that Josh McCown has one of the highest QBR's of any QB when facing the blitz. He's literally completing over 73% against the blitz, and he's owning it. Conversely, McCown is absolutely struggling when he has too much time and he tries to force it. What's this tell us? It tells us that Gregg Williams better come up with a different game plan. It tells us that Gregg Williams better know these stats, and he better not call a jail-break blitz on 3rd and 9 EVERY time. I want to see Williams learn from mistakes, realize who the competition is, and call a better game. If Josh is playing well against the pressure, what can he come up with? Can he find a way to plug the running game and get pressure on 3rd down without exposing our secondary? Can some of our 4 linemen get consistent pressure? Can we make Josh force the ball into small windows and get some hands on the rock and perhaps grab a pick or two? Hell, can we be GREEDY and get a defensive TD? Because let's be honest, THAT'S what this team really needs.
I feel like Garrett is going to be instrumental in executing our defensive game plan. I hate to put THAT much pressure on a rookie, but let's not lie to each other...we don't have many defensive studs, and Garrett has that POTENTIAL. I guess the hope is that Garrett can draw some attention and perhaps open things up for Ogbah or others. The scary thing is teams are going with the quick passing game, and there doesn't seem to be much we can do about it. I don't care what kind of blitz you run, a quick pass is almost always going to leave the QB's hand before the defender has a chance to make an impact, and we have ALL seen the damage screen passes can do to us. I think we need to find more ways of disguising our blitzes, and instead fake the pressure more often than actually bring it. Make them THINK we're coming, and then just pull back. Complete your short passes if you can, we're tackling you immediately. We're decent against the run. Let's make Josh beat us by being accurate all game long, and when we get our hands on a tipped pass, we HAVE TO BRING IT IN. Lord knows the other dang team catches every INT that is up in the air, so it's time for us to repay the favor.
Lastly, we need Garrett to help in the red zone. Can he make that 3rd and goal sack that actually FORCES A DANG FG?! Our team isn't good enough to score touchdowns every drive, so our defense needs to force some FG's for once this year, and help out our offense.
and we know more than anyone how McCown tends to hold onto the ball.
Not to mention the length of McC's release both in terms of time and distance he reaches back. It's made for a blind-side strip sack.
Kevin Beachum is listed as NYJ's starting LT... 6 yr vet... out of SMU... He's only 6'2? With 33.25" arms? Made up for lack of physical size with lack of speed and strength coming out of college.
Myles should eat him alive...
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and we know more than anyone how McCown tends to hold onto the ball.
Not to mention the length of McC's release both in terms of time and distance he reaches back. It's made for a blind-side strip sack.
Kevin Beachum is listed as NYJ's starting LT... 6 yr vet... out of SMU... He's only 6'2? With 33.25" arms? Made up for lack of physical size with lack of speed and strength coming out of college.
Myles should eat him alive...
Not to mention the length of McC's release both in terms of time and distance he reaches back. It's made for a blind-side strip sack.
Kevin Beachum is listed as NYJ's starting LT... 6 yr vet... out of SMU... He's only 6'2? With 33.25" arms? Made up for lack of physical size with lack of speed and strength coming out of college.
Myles should eat him alive...
Myles may not have that dip and glide move yet, that requires alot of ankle. They might be telling him to lay off that move.
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and we know more than anyone how McCown tends to hold onto the ball.
Not to mention the length of McC's release both in terms of time and distance he reaches back. It's made for a blind-side strip sack.
Kevin Beachum is listed as NYJ's starting LT... 6 yr vet... out of SMU... He's only 6'2? With 33.25" arms? Made up for lack of physical size with lack of speed and strength coming out of college.
Myles should eat him alive...
Not to mention the length of McC's release both in terms of time and distance he reaches back. It's made for a blind-side strip sack.
Kevin Beachum is listed as NYJ's starting LT... 6 yr vet... out of SMU... He's only 6'2? With 33.25" arms? Made up for lack of physical size with lack of speed and strength coming out of college.
Myles should eat him alive...
However I suspect Myles only comes in for 3rd and long for his first game back so they get an idea if he really is ready to return. Precautionary move I will hazard to guess.
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Not to mention the length of McC's release both in terms of time and distance he reaches back. It's made for a blind-side strip sack.
Kevin Beachum is listed as NYJ's starting LT... 6 yr vet... out of SMU... He's only 6'2? With 33.25" arms? Made up for lack of physical size with lack of speed and strength coming out of college.
Myles should eat him alive...
However I suspect Myles only comes in for 3rd and long for his first game back so they get an idea if he really is ready to return. Precautionary move I will hazard to guess.
However I suspect Myles only comes in for 3rd and long for his first game back so they get an idea if he really is ready to return. Precautionary move I will hazard to guess.
I agree. Not sure i wanna see him leaning into a 300lb tackle going around the edge either.
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In other news good and bad. Shelton back at practice but Collins still out for Sunday.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/danny_shelton_joins_myles_garr.html
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No, you don't read. Here is what Nickers said:
I hate to digress.. But dayum.. Most people in Arkansas are broke.. And theyre gonna hang that on them?.. Wow!
I was responding to his statement about Arkansas when I made the comment about the Waltons.
Are you always this full of hubris?
OK... I stand corrected. Should have said you don't read from the beginning. Better?
As for my hubris level? Yes, always this level. Just falls well shy of yours... just as it always has.
OK... I stand corrected. Should have said you don't read from the beginning. Better?
As for my hubris level? Yes, always this level. Just falls well shy of yours... just as it always has.
I read it from the beginning....I had no comment on that, it was irrelevant to my statement about Arkansas. Ansas wasn't one of the animals invited on the Ark.
And yes, I agree....quite a few matters of yours fall well below my level.
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In other news good and bad. Shelton back at practice but Collins still out for Sunday.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/danny_shelton_joins_myles_garr.html
In other news good and bad. Shelton back at practice but Collins still out for Sunday.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/danny_shelton_joins_myles_garr.html
What is this, the third game for Collins? Seems absurd.
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jiggins, u know what ogbah is gonna do when garrett gets back? Get handled every down by the RT just the same as he is now. Garett will do nithing for ogbah even if he has 5 sacks his first game.
Teams are leaving our DE's 1v1 as it is, its not like they're gonna pull the RT over the left side in pass protect and let ogbah or nassib come free. If garrett plays well it just means they're gonna slide some ectra protection his way which can in theory open up some interior rush lanes but the DE on the other side still has to beat his man
u know what ogbah is gonna do when garrett gets back? Get handled every down by the RT just the same as he is now. Garett will do nithing for ogbah even if he has 5 sacks his first game.
Teams are leaving our DE's 1v1 as it is, its not like they're gonna pull the RT over the left side in pass protect and let ogbah or nassib come free. If garrett plays well it just means they're gonna slide some ectra protection his way which can in theory open up some interior rush lanes but the DE on the other side still has to beat his man
Clev,I just don't get your passion to hate on Ogbah but have a man crush doll on Karter Schultz. Took Kirksey longer to bloom into a NFL LB position when Ogbah may have been our best pick in rookie class last season. The DE position requires a special skill set on setting up your defender usually requiring a long armed swim moves.We will see some of the best DE's in the 3-4 business this weekend with Leonard Williams & M.Wilkerson. If we had a shot at another DE?(not in this FO plan)We actually had 2 chances to get Kony Ealy from panthers,pats & now a Jet. Also read you did not even watch the game?Go back and watch 1st quarter with Naz & Ogbah making a Opie sandwich out of Andy. 3 years is a good plan on rookies..am out time for some live Lamar Jackson(bigger than I thought from TV games) Hollar later!!
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One man or double team....Ogbah can still benefit from a powerful force at the opposite side.....I remember Paul I Cant Tackle Kruger exploding with 11 sacks(or so) in 2014....Pettines first year.....then watching every sack in slow mo on the all 22's and determining that 7 of those sacks were due to Jabaal Sheard collapsing the opposite side and flushing/forcing the QB into Krugers every loving crocodile arms....Sheard did the work and Kruger got the rewards.....Same could happen if Garret consistently penetrates and collapses his side, pushing all the action to Ogbahs side.....
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Ok ill scknowledge some qb's could be flushed into his arms like santa coming down the chimney on christmas morning. However ogbahs base skillset remains unchanged and teams will chip garrett meaning ogbah still is faced with the basic insurmountable conundrum of how in the Shmuck do i get around this coksucker infront of me?
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u know what ogbah is gonna do when garrett gets back? Get handled every down by the RT just the same as he is now. Garett will do nithing for ogbah even if he has 5 sacks his first game.
Teams are leaving our DE's 1v1 as it is, its not like they're gonna pull the RT over the left side in pass protect and let ogbah or nassib come free. If garrett plays well it just means they're gonna slide some ectra protection his way which can in theory open up some interior rush lanes but the DE on the other side still has to beat his man
Clev,I just don't get your passion to hate on Ogbah but have a man crush doll on Karter Schultz. Took Kirksey longer to bloom into a NFL LB position when Ogbah may have been our best pick in rookie class last season. The DE position requires a special skill set on setting up your defender usually requiring a long armed swim moves.We will see some of the best DE's in the 3-4 business this weekend with Leonard Williams & M.Wilkerson. If we had a shot at another DE?(not in this FO plan)We actually had 2 chances to get Kony Ealy from panthers,pats & now a Jet. Also read you did not even watch the game?Go back and watch 1st quarter with Naz & Ogbah making a Opie sandwich out of Andy. 3 years is a good plan on rookies..am out time for some live Lamar Jackson(bigger than I thought from TV games) Hollar later!!
Clev,I just don't get your passion to hate on Ogbah but have a man crush doll on Karter Schultz. Took Kirksey longer to bloom into a NFL LB position when Ogbah may have been our best pick in rookie class last season. The DE position requires a special skill set on setting up your defender usually requiring a long armed swim moves.We will see some of the best DE's in the 3-4 business this weekend with Leonard Williams & M.Wilkerson. If we had a shot at another DE?(not in this FO plan)We actually had 2 chances to get Kony Ealy from panthers,pats & now a Jet. Also read you did not even watch the game?Go back and watch 1st quarter with Naz & Ogbah making a Opie sandwich out of Andy. 3 years is a good plan on rookies..am out time for some live Lamar Jackson(bigger than I thought from TV games) Hollar later!!
Ogbah and nassib didnt improve their technique from last year, thats why i hate on them. They look like rookies. When u look at the talent at that position that we've passed up on, guys that paid immediate dividends..im not out of line expecting those guys to have made at least marginal improvements to their game.
as for schult, he outplayed everyone rlse in preseason. He becer got 1st team reps so u couldnt compare him to ogbah. But from what ive seen of ogbah and nassib for 4 games i really dont think schult could have done worse. I just wanted the kid to get a chance, if he cant hack it bring someone else up and/or address the position in offseason again.
Its not a love for schult, its the notion that when guys play this bad they dont get rewarded with more playing time. I may not have watched the game but i made a thread asking how the pass rush looked and everyone that watched the game said it was completely nonexistent. Dalton was making sandwhiches in the pocket all day. So ur referencing one play....are u saying now that og and nas loomed great on snday? Can i get verification of that from anyone else?
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Helicopter mccown
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You guys are morons. Garrett is not going to make a difference. THe offense will be LESS with him in it. Ogbah is all hustle........Garrett is a Zumba instructor.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Who gets hurt first? Garrett or McCown
Garrett is ALREADY hurt.
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STFU. Moran go cheer for a different team or go play your accordion in your closet.
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Not to mention the length of McC's release both in terms of time and distance he reaches back. It's made for a blind-side strip sack.
Kevin Beachum is listed as NYJ's starting LT... 6 yr vet... out of SMU... He's only 6'2? With 33.25" arms? Made up for lack of physical size with lack of speed and strength coming out of college.
Myles should eat him alive...
Myles may not have that dip and glide move yet, that requires alot of ankle. They might be telling him to lay off that move.
Myles may not have that dip and glide move yet, that requires alot of ankle. They might be telling him to lay off that move.
However I suspect Myles only comes in for 3rd and long for his first game back so they get an idea if he really is ready to return. Precautionary move I will hazard to guess.
Agree in terms of ankle preservation, but with 2+" longer arms and a ton of quick over his opposite, my statement stands. However, even playing with an ankle at A&M, Myles went to his go-to, low rush. You can't fight nature...
I'm sure that after 5 years in the NFL Beachum has to have improved over his draft appraisal in strength and tech, but he can't be taught quick.
And you can't dampen my expectations... Myles should dominate this guy. I expect to see Myles snap one. He may be rotated more frequently than the original, pre-ankle plan due to game-shape issues, but I don't see him specializing. If we save him for "3rd & long", he might see 4 snaps.
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In other news good and bad. Shelton back at practice but Collins still out for Sunday.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/danny_shelton_joins_myles_garr.html
In other news good and bad. Shelton back at practice but Collins still out for Sunday.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/danny_shelton_joins_myles_garr.html
Collins continues to be the real concern... I can't recall a player being in protocol longer.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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