This is Why We Suck - Receiving Edition
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Funny thing is the Britterception is the same curl/flat combo that Kizer was late/ indecisive on (I believe) the next quarter. Good read against what appears to be cover 3.
That being said, Ricardo wasn't a natural hands catcher coming into the league. Coleman had a high drop percentage. Higgins is a bit of a puzzle because he was pretty sure handed at Colorado state. Britt as a vet is inexcusable and I'm hoping he's being a good locker room presence and/or working with guys in their off time because if not I'm cutting his butt like yesterday.
Funny thing is the Britterception is the same curl/flat combo that Kizer was late/ indecisive on (I believe) the next quarter. Good read against what appears to be cover 3.
That being said, Ricardo wasn't a natural hands catcher coming into the league. Coleman had a high drop percentage. Higgins is a bit of a puzzle because he was pretty sure handed at Colorado state. Britt as a vet is inexcusable and I'm hoping he's being a good locker room presence and/or working with guys in their off time because if not I'm cutting his butt like yesterday.
We’ve leaned on that look often. The curl/flat and the spot/flat combos are pretty prevalent in Hue’s offense, which makes sense because of his WCO influence.
It shouldn’t be a particularly hard concept to run and we’ve had trouble with it a few times, either with late reads or bad route depths or poorly thrown passes.
Just having one guy out there with reliable hands would go a long way. Kizer is going to struggle with accuracy and velocity all year, we’re going to need someone to bail him out a bit from time to time.
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Let's face it, we aren't good for a number of reasons. Everyone has their own opinions and I'm sure some loudmouth bellyachers will take the time to respond to this with the same nonsense they've been spewing for some time. However, rather than just rely on anecdotal "oh, I remember seeing this", I figured it would be worthwhile to grab some clips of the more egregious errors and post them here.
Today's edition is centered around the receiving game, inarguably the most beleaguered group on the team. Here's a few of the things I've seen that have made my blood boil and have contributed to the overall badness we've seen thus far.
The Drops
First down drop by Rashard Higgins
- Here is a 3rd and 3 at midfield - the 6th play in the drive and we're moving. Higgins drops a non-contested pass that hits him dead in the hands that would have given us a first down. Instead, we punted and they scored on their next drive.
- Here Kizer notices the cover one and takes a shot against man coverage down the field. You can see from the endzone view that Kizer keys the safety, holds him field side by looking toward the seam route, then turns and immediately fires a well-placed pass to Louis...who drops it.
- Run of the mill first down drop that hits Louis in the chest.
- You know how this goes. These types of throws, while not perfect, need to be caught. That's the difference that having a dependable receiver makes.
- This is an inexcusable drop. It hits DeValve right in his hands, Kizer led him, there's no contact from the defender. DeValve just...drops it.
- This is another pretty egregious drop by DeValve. The ball hits him in the hands and ricochets off into the sunset.
- There's not much to say that already hasn't been said. Ball hits Britt in the hands dead center of mass. There's no excuse for this.
- Here we have a rare Kasen Williams sighting, where he's slow out of his break and causes Kizer to pull back, then drops the balls when it's eventually delivered.
- Here we see the interception that bounces off of Duke's hands and into the waiting arms of Eric Weddle. This is an unfortunate play that does happen from time to time, but it still belongs here.
- This isn't a drop per se, it's just an incomplete pass but it's a play you see made on Sundays by other teams. We just can't get it done. If you have the time and space to basket catch a deep post underneath the safety, it's probably a ball you should come down with.
- Here we see Corey Coleman drop a 5 yard pass that hit him directly in the hands. This is a bad drop. You can see he turned his head to look at the DB before he secured the ball.
The OPIs
- This is a basic concept in college and the NFL, something Higgins should know how to run by now. It's not a basketball pick and run.You. Don't. Set. Your. Feet. If you square up and throw a shoulder, that's going to get called 11 out of 10 times. This negates a first down and instead we're faced with a 3rd and 17 from our own 23. We don't convert.
OPI on Higgins for pushing off
- I don't know whether to put this in the drops category or the OPI category - Higgins found a way to do both on the same play. Clear push off at the top of the route right in front of the back judge, then drops the pass. It wasn't the best pass but it was for damn sure catchable.
- I'm not sure what to call this one. Louis just runs 10 yards down field and starts blocking the safety. The play seems to be a designed drag to Duke and a downfield screen, but Louis has to know that you can't engage the defender like that until the ball is caught. Bad timing, bad decision.
- Here we see Britt push off at the top of his comeback when he clearly doesn't need to and he gets popped for it, which pushes us back to a 1st and 20 on our own 15. Luckily we end up converting two plays later.
The General Badness
Britt's Shmucking Awful Effort
- The guy just doesn't give a Sheet on this route. He's locked down (with no over top help, mind you) by Brandon Carr, the 31-year old CB who was cut by the Cowboys last season, almost retired and then signed with Ravens before playing in only 4 games. Britt gets stoned by him and gives up when he sees the ball is thrown to his outside shoulder instead of inside.
Let's face it, we aren't good for a number of reasons. Everyone has their own opinions and I'm sure some loudmouth bellyachers will take the time to respond to this with the same nonsense they've been spewing for some time. However, rather than just rely on anecdotal "oh, I remember seeing this", I figured it would be worthwhile to grab some clips of the more egregious errors and post them here.
Today's edition is centered around the receiving game, inarguably the most beleaguered group on the team. Here's a few of the things I've seen that have made my blood boil and have contributed to the overall badness we've seen thus far.
The Drops
First down drop by Rashard Higgins
- Here is a 3rd and 3 at midfield - the 6th play in the drive and we're moving. Higgins drops a non-contested pass that hits him dead in the hands that would have given us a first down. Instead, we punted and they scored on their next drive.
- Here Kizer notices the cover one and takes a shot against man coverage down the field. You can see from the endzone view that Kizer keys the safety, holds him field side by looking toward the seam route, then turns and immediately fires a well-placed pass to Louis...who drops it.
- Run of the mill first down drop that hits Louis in the chest.
- You know how this goes. These types of throws, while not perfect, need to be caught. That's the difference that having a dependable receiver makes.
- This is an inexcusable drop. It hits DeValve right in his hands, Kizer led him, there's no contact from the defender. DeValve just...drops it.
- This is another pretty egregious drop by DeValve. The ball hits him in the hands and ricochets off into the sunset.
- There's not much to say that already hasn't been said. Ball hits Britt in the hands dead center of mass. There's no excuse for this.
- Here we have a rare Kasen Williams sighting, where he's slow out of his break and causes Kizer to pull back, then drops the balls when it's eventually delivered.
- Here we see the interception that bounces off of Duke's hands and into the waiting arms of Eric Weddle. This is an unfortunate play that does happen from time to time, but it still belongs here.
- This isn't a drop per se, it's just an incomplete pass but it's a play you see made on Sundays by other teams. We just can't get it done. If you have the time and space to basket catch a deep post underneath the safety, it's probably a ball you should come down with.
- Here we see Corey Coleman drop a 5 yard pass that hit him directly in the hands. This is a bad drop. You can see he turned his head to look at the DB before he secured the ball.
The OPIs
- This is a basic concept in college and the NFL, something Higgins should know how to run by now. It's not a basketball pick and run.You. Don't. Set. Your. Feet. If you square up and throw a shoulder, that's going to get called 11 out of 10 times. This negates a first down and instead we're faced with a 3rd and 17 from our own 23. We don't convert.
OPI on Higgins for pushing off
- I don't know whether to put this in the drops category or the OPI category - Higgins found a way to do both on the same play. Clear push off at the top of the route right in front of the back judge, then drops the pass. It wasn't the best pass but it was for damn sure catchable.
- I'm not sure what to call this one. Louis just runs 10 yards down field and starts blocking the safety. The play seems to be a designed drag to Duke and a downfield screen, but Louis has to know that you can't engage the defender like that until the ball is caught. Bad timing, bad decision.
- Here we see Britt push off at the top of his comeback when he clearly doesn't need to and he gets popped for it, which pushes us back to a 1st and 20 on our own 15. Luckily we end up converting two plays later.
The General Badness
Britt's Shmucking Awful Effort
- The guy just doesn't give a Sheet on this route. He's locked down (with no over top help, mind you) by Brandon Carr, the 31-year old CB who was cut by the Cowboys last season, almost retired and then signed with Ravens before playing in only 4 games. Britt gets stoned by him and gives up when he sees the ball is thrown to his outside shoulder instead of inside.
Fauhking mental masturbation. I told you jakcoffs at the draft that it is skilled players that make the OL, D and special teams great. With Black Tarkenton and no playmakers this is an 0 - 16 caliber team that is worse than last years.
Why make an idiotic list? I told you Gloryhole Gondoliers before the draft, you can't win a fukcing football game without playmakers........... starting with WR, TE and a steady QB. Really, I told you all along the receivers we have blow Diseased Dominican Donkey Dikc. So what? you decided to do a book report on Ghoolie?
Hey, I know, why don' you count Flugel's twat hairs while he tells you how " WIlliams will hae this D whipped into shape"? Enjoy.
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Let's face it, we aren't good for a number of reasons. Everyone has their own opinions and I'm sure some loudmouth bellyachers will take the time to respond to this with the same nonsense they've been spewing for some time. However, rather than just rely on anecdotal "oh, I remember seeing this", I figured it would be worthwhile to grab some clips of the more egregious errors and post them here.
Today's edition is centered around the receiving game, inarguably the most beleaguered group on the team. Here's a few of the things I've seen that have made my blood boil and have contributed to the overall badness we've seen thus far.
The Drops
First down drop by Rashard Higgins
- Here is a 3rd and 3 at midfield - the 6th play in the drive and we're moving. Higgins drops a non-contested pass that hits him dead in the hands that would have given us a first down. Instead, we punted and they scored on their next drive.
- Here Kizer notices the cover one and takes a shot against man coverage down the field. You can see from the endzone view that Kizer keys the safety, holds him field side by looking toward the seam route, then turns and immediately fires a well-placed pass to Louis...who drops it.
- Run of the mill first down drop that hits Louis in the chest.
- You know how this goes. These types of throws, while not perfect, need to be caught. That's the difference that having a dependable receiver makes.
- This is an inexcusable drop. It hits DeValve right in his hands, Kizer led him, there's no contact from the defender. DeValve just...drops it.
- This is another pretty egregious drop by DeValve. The ball hits him in the hands and ricochets off into the sunset.
- There's not much to say that already hasn't been said. Ball hits Britt in the hands dead center of mass. There's no excuse for this.
- Here we have a rare Kasen Williams sighting, where he's slow out of his break and causes Kizer to pull back, then drops the balls when it's eventually delivered.
- Here we see the interception that bounces off of Duke's hands and into the waiting arms of Eric Weddle. This is an unfortunate play that does happen from time to time, but it still belongs here.
- This isn't a drop per se, it's just an incomplete pass but it's a play you see made on Sundays by other teams. We just can't get it done. If you have the time and space to basket catch a deep post underneath the safety, it's probably a ball you should come down with.
- Here we see Corey Coleman drop a 5 yard pass that hit him directly in the hands. This is a bad drop. You can see he turned his head to look at the DB before he secured the ball.
The OPIs
- This is a basic concept in college and the NFL, something Higgins should know how to run by now. It's not a basketball pick and run.You. Don't. Set. Your. Feet. If you square up and throw a shoulder, that's going to get called 11 out of 10 times. This negates a first down and instead we're faced with a 3rd and 17 from our own 23. We don't convert.
OPI on Higgins for pushing off
- I don't know whether to put this in the drops category or the OPI category - Higgins found a way to do both on the same play. Clear push off at the top of the route right in front of the back judge, then drops the pass. It wasn't the best pass but it was for damn sure catchable.
- I'm not sure what to call this one. Louis just runs 10 yards down field and starts blocking the safety. The play seems to be a designed drag to Duke and a downfield screen, but Louis has to know that you can't engage the defender like that until the ball is caught. Bad timing, bad decision.
- Here we see Britt push off at the top of his comeback when he clearly doesn't need to and he gets popped for it, which pushes us back to a 1st and 20 on our own 15. Luckily we end up converting two plays later.
The General Badness
Britt's Shmucking Awful Effort
- The guy just doesn't give a Sheet on this route. He's locked down (with no over top help, mind you) by Brandon Carr, the 31-year old CB who was cut by the Cowboys last season, almost retired and then signed with Ravens before playing in only 4 games. Britt gets stoned by him and gives up when he sees the ball is thrown to his outside shoulder instead of inside.
The General Badness
Britt's Shmucking Awful Effort
- The guy just doesn't give a Sheet on this route. He's locked down (with no over top help, mind you) by Brandon Carr, the 31-year old CB who was cut by the Cowboys last season, almost retired and then signed with Ravens before playing in only 4 games. Britt gets stoned by him and gives up when he sees the ball is thrown to his outside shoulder instead of inside.
Big props for taking the time TC. But it begs the question- was Britt a totally different WR 2016? I'm not about to look up his targets\drops stats. You'd sure as hell think our anal-ytics think tank would have looked into that- before they let Pryor walk and had this POS at a "viable" LOL backup plan.
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Good morning. That Britt is F'n worthless. I don't know what he makes (a couple of mill I guess), but can you imagine having a job that you are absolutely horrible at but laugh all the way to the bank. What that piss poor excuse for a nfl football player will make this year is more than Gipper will make in his lifetime. It just ain't right.
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Let's face it, we aren't good for a number of reasons. Everyone has their own opinions and I'm sure some loudmouth bellyachers will take the time to respond to this with the same nonsense they've been spewing for some time. However, rather than just rely on anecdotal "oh, I remember seeing this", I figured it would be worthwhile to grab some clips of the more egregious errors and post them here.
Today's edition is centered around the receiving game, inarguably the most beleaguered group on the team. Here's a few of the things I've seen that have made my blood boil and have contributed to the overall badness we've seen thus far.
The Drops
First down drop by Rashard Higgins
- Here is a 3rd and 3 at midfield - the 6th play in the drive and we're moving. Higgins drops a non-contested pass that hits him dead in the hands that would have given us a first down. Instead, we punted and they scored on their next drive.
- Here Kizer notices the cover one and takes a shot against man coverage down the field. You can see from the endzone view that Kizer keys the safety, holds him field side by looking toward the seam route, then turns and immediately fires a well-placed pass to Louis...who drops it.
- Run of the mill first down drop that hits Louis in the chest.
- You know how this goes. These types of throws, while not perfect, need to be caught. That's the difference that having a dependable receiver makes.
- This is an inexcusable drop. It hits DeValve right in his hands, Kizer led him, there's no contact from the defender. DeValve just...drops it.
- This is another pretty egregious drop by DeValve. The ball hits him in the hands and ricochets off into the sunset.
- There's not much to say that already hasn't been said. Ball hits Britt in the hands dead center of mass. There's no excuse for this.
- Here we have a rare Kasen Williams sighting, where he's slow out of his break and causes Kizer to pull back, then drops the balls when it's eventually delivered.
- Here we see the interception that bounces off of Duke's hands and into the waiting arms of Eric Weddle. This is an unfortunate play that does happen from time to time, but it still belongs here.
- This isn't a drop per se, it's just an incomplete pass but it's a play you see made on Sundays by other teams. We just can't get it done. If you have the time and space to basket catch a deep post underneath the safety, it's probably a ball you should come down with.
- Here we see Corey Coleman drop a 5 yard pass that hit him directly in the hands. This is a bad drop. You can see he turned his head to look at the DB before he secured the ball.
The OPIs
- This is a basic concept in college and the NFL, something Higgins should know how to run by now. It's not a basketball pick and run.You. Don't. Set. Your. Feet. If you square up and throw a shoulder, that's going to get called 11 out of 10 times. This negates a first down and instead we're faced with a 3rd and 17 from our own 23. We don't convert.
OPI on Higgins for pushing off
- I don't know whether to put this in the drops category or the OPI category - Higgins found a way to do both on the same play. Clear push off at the top of the route right in front of the back judge, then drops the pass. It wasn't the best pass but it was for damn sure catchable.
- I'm not sure what to call this one. Louis just runs 10 yards down field and starts blocking the safety. The play seems to be a designed drag to Duke and a downfield screen, but Louis has to know that you can't engage the defender like that until the ball is caught. Bad timing, bad decision.
- Here we see Britt push off at the top of his comeback when he clearly doesn't need to and he gets popped for it, which pushes us back to a 1st and 20 on our own 15. Luckily we end up converting two plays later.
The General Badness
Britt's Shmucking Awful Effort
- The guy just doesn't give a Sheet on this route. He's locked down (with no over top help, mind you) by Brandon Carr, the 31-year old CB who was cut by the Cowboys last season, almost retired and then signed with Ravens before playing in only 4 games. Britt gets stoned by him and gives up when he sees the ball is thrown to his outside shoulder instead of inside.
Oh boy! LINKS! Appreciate the effort... and all-22's to boot.
Going to offer alternate takes on some...
One thing in common for the first four... little or no separation. And there are varying degrees of QB contribution to them.
- There was separation in the Higgins example as the DB had to run around traffic, but the throw came a little late and the gap was closed allowing DB to "assist" the drop.
- The first Louis example was very much on Louis, but contact did come smulataneouls with the ball... nothing "on Kizer" here.
- The 2nd Louis features textbook simultaneous ball-DB arrival. It's a catch that can be made, but hardly one that can be labeled "pure drop". That said Louis really slowed in his "cut"... very slow and rounded bending of the slant route into a Safety that was sitting on that move. Plus I am puzzled by the under curling in which only served to close the window. Nothing on Kizer here.
- The "Britt drop"... pretty shitty route... never threatened the CB deep who was already prone to playing for a shorter throw due to the blitz call. Britt never sells "deep" planting four or so yards shy of "equal" and then rounds off the out to boot. Kizer contributes an inside-ish throw that should have been low and outside. Simultaneous contact takes care of the rest.
- Both Devalve's are pretty pure drops, but Kizer is not without fault. In the first the under LB causes Kizer to delay his "go-to" low trajectory throw. Either a touch pass over the LB or an early glance at Duke flaring into the flat could have helped. I do think the memory of Watt's leaping INT Week 1 eliminated the former. At any rate the low and away hard throw made the reception harder than it needed to be, but still was a catch that needed to be made. The second De-drop had a lot of unnecessary heat on it for a short throw.
- The Britter... 100% on Britt... he stopped and curled... and then inexplicably "hopped" inside. I've no idea why. Without the added hop the pass hits him in the numbers. With the hop he's forced to reach back across his body making the pass look off target. It's akin to the Basketball situations where a cutter sells his teammate on the cut and then stops as the teammate makes the pass. The passer looks bad to the fan, but it was the "receiver" that caused the turnover.
- Williams? Yeah... can't get a slower break than stopping and starting again. Delay made Kizer double-clutch and gave time for pressure to arrive. Throw was then low and behind making the catch very difficult... difficult enough that if the ball arrival is the sole focus I would not call it a "drop"... but Williams created the bad throw. Plus Williams got away with OPI...
- TBH... I don't think this throw was to Higgins... I think it was an overthrow of Njoku. Hogan climbed the pocket nicely. As he did he seems to look from right to center... never to the left. Njoku was seaming up the middle; Higgins was crossing from the left. In any case the throw was in no-man's land.
- Yes... Coleman turned and looked for hit before ball arrived. "Look the ball in" is WR 101 stuff... yet we see WRs around the league flunk that test every week... just usually not #1 WRs.
- As the Pats have taught us... that same play within a yard of the LOS is legal. Higgins must have been absent that day. Regardless he has to be able to see that the teammate for whom he sets the pick was already a full yard in the lead and his pick was unnecessary.
- The saddest apart of Higgins' push off? He actually made a nice diving catch on an off-target comeback throw.
- Sadder yet on Louis' "block"? It was ineffective. Timing is so bad here I almost suspect that something else went amiss... but for pass to be earlier would require a much longer run after catch to make it to the "wall" that seems to be attempting to seal defenders inside. Play design is very questionable.
- I remember the play. At the time I did not think that Britt gave the refs the requisite arm-extension to warrant a flag and I still don't. Still if you raise your arms OPI can be called whereas if you raise a forearm it is not. Britt should know this.
- First... wow... the pocket moved! More of an 1/8th roll than a 1/4 roll, but babysteps...
- Second... not sure what was up there. Looked like Britt was pulling up for a backshoulder throw. Given the relative position of the CB, inside and a half-stride ahead of Britt that would be the proper throw... even the only throw... to make to Britt But then Britt inexplicably cuts it inside? Into the Safety rolling over?
- In the sideline all-22 it kinda looks like when Britt slows for the backshoulder that the CB grabbed and pulled him forward and inside... very hard to see and by the time they cut to the matchup in the endzone replay Britt is already inside.
- In either case I don't like the throw. I can see an argument that had Britt pressed the route downfield another 5-yards then he might have been in position for a high, backshoulder catch, but where he chose to pull up looks the more likely spot to me.
- Not sure Britt was ever in position to contest the throw, but he did not go out of his way to try.
But what do I know... I'm an OL guy...
Good stuff, TC... seeing a lot of the same as you... just see some of the plays differently.
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The General Badness
Britt's Shmucking Awful Effort
- The guy just doesn't give a Sheet on this route. He's locked down (with no over top help, mind you) by Brandon Carr, the 31-year old CB who was cut by the Cowboys last season, almost retired and then signed with Ravens before playing in only 4 games. Britt gets stoned by him and gives up when he sees the ball is thrown to his outside shoulder instead of inside.
Big props for taking the time TC. But it begs the question- was Britt a totally different WR 2016? I'm not about to look up his targets\drops stats. You'd sure as hell think our anal-ytics think tank would have looked into that- before they let Pryor walk and had this POS at a "viable" LOL backup plan.
Big props for taking the time TC. But it begs the question- was Britt a totally different WR 2016? I'm not about to look up his targets\drops stats. You'd sure as hell think our anal-ytics think tak would have looked into that- before they let Pryor walk and had this POS at a "viable" LOL backup plan.
If I answer your question, will you stop bringing up how we "let Pryor walk"? Mack, too? I'll give you Schwartz, if you still want him.
Britt had 5 drops in 111 targets in 2016. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/kenny-britt/#/past-year
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Good list and drops are drive and scoring killers PLUS can further hang your young or any quarterback out to dry with 2nd and 3rd down and long low percentage situations. PLUS you kill your defense with 3 and out plus poor field position.
And I don't care who your play caller is it's a recipe for failure.
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Good morning. That Britt is F'n worthless. I don't know what he makes (a couple of mill I guess), but can you imagine having a job that you are absolutely horrible at but laugh all the way to the bank. What that piss poor excuse for a nfl football player will make this year is more than Gipper will make in his lifetime. It just ain't right.
Good morning. That Britt is F'n worthless. I don't know what he makes (a couple of mill I guess), but can you imagine having a job that you are absolutely horrible at but laugh all the way to the bank. What that piss poor excuse for a nfl football player will make this year is more than Gipper will make in his lifetime. It just ain't right.
What is he making? I have no doubt that you are probably right.
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Britt had a career year while also being in a contract year on the back half of his NFL playing time.
Front office saw only numbers and not so much motivation. This is a guy that has underachieved the bulk of his time in the league. It is what it is.
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Big props for taking the time TC. But it begs the question- was Britt a totally different WR 2016? I'm not about to look up his targets\drops stats. You'd sure as hell think our anal-ytics think tak would have looked into that- before they let Pryor walk and had this POS at a "viable" LOL backup plan.
If I answer your question, will you stop bringing up how we "let Pryor walk"? Mack, too? I'll give you Schwartz, if you still want him.
Britt had 5 drops in 111 targets in 2016. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/kenny-britt/#/past-year
If I answer your question, will you stop bringing up how we "let Pryor walk"? Mack, too? I'll give you Schwartz, if you still want him.
Britt had 5 drops in 111 targets in 2016. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/kenny-britt/#/past-year
LOL, and he's probably got more drops than that already this year? Got any explanation for that?
OK- Pryor walked himself (with a huge assist from Drew Rosenhaus) out of town. I won't bring him up any further, but I do keep an eye on what he's doing with the Redskins.To date:
Pryor 13r for 186 yards 14.3 average 1TD
Britt 8r for 121 yards 15.1 average 1 TD (and a bunch of drive killing drops.) https://twitter.com/AngryBrownsFan/status/914547228961857536
So we sign Treggs (he of 4.3 burner speed) to a bargain bin contract to replace Pryor.
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My knock on Britt isn't me advocating for Pryor either. I want to make that clear.
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If I answer your question, will you stop bringing up how we "let Pryor walk"? Mack, too? I'll give you Schwartz, if you still want him.
Britt had 5 drops in 111 targets in 2016. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/kenny-britt/#/past-year
LOL, and he's probably got more drops than that already this year? Got any explanation for that?
OK- Pryor walked himself (with a huge assist from Drew Rosenhaus) out of town. I won't bring him up any further, but I do keep an eye on what he's doing with the Redskins.To date:
Pryor 13r for 186 yards 14.3 average 1TD
Britt 8r for 121 yards 15.1 average 1 TD (and a bunch of drive killing drops.) https://twitter.com/AngryBrownsFan/status/914547228961857536
So we sign Treggs (he of 4.3 burner speed) to a bargain bin contract to replace Pryor.
LOL, and he's probably got more drops than that already this year? Got any explanation for that?
OK- Pryor walked himself (with a huge assist from Drew Rosenhaus) out of town. I won't bring him up any further, but I do keep an eye on what he's doing with the Redskins.
So we sign Treggs (he of 4.3 burner speed) to a bargain bin contract to replace Pryor.
Explanation... not really... but I can guarantee you he did not see fastballs in LA plus he had Gurley... who slumped a little in his sophomore year, if you call 885 yards slump-worthy.
While LA in 2016 was his career year, it' not as if he'd never had a good year before... he'd just never been a #1 before.
Where the popular Bowe comparison falls apart is that Britt's career had recently ascended while Bowe was clearly a WR in decline.
lol... sure keep an eye on Pryor... let me know when he catches a crossing route.
At 6'0 Treggs ain't replacing Pryor... but he does have the speed to top the top off of a D... if he gets loose.
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We have drafted numerous WRs and picked em up via FA. And yet they suck...hmmmmm. The problem is very simple. Talent evaluation sez it all.
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We have drafted numerous WRs and picked em up via FA. And yet they suck...hmmmmm. The problem is very simple. Talent evaluation sez it all.
We have drafted numerous WRs and picked em up via FA. And yet they suck...hmmmmm. The problem is very simple. Talent evaluation sez it all.
Who did we replace the scouting staff with (not that they were great)?
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We have drafted numerous WRs and picked em up via FA. And yet they suck...hmmmmm. The problem is very simple. Talent evaluation sez it all.
Talent evaluation sez it all.
Convenient comment, if not accurate...
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Talent evaluation sez it all.
Convenient comment, if not accurate...
Convenient comment, if not accurate...
Ok, so what is it? Pick bad talent intentional? I just don't think they have very good evaluation at all. I haven't seen a glimmer that sez playmaker out all of them. Draft 4, no playmakers. Or am I missing the Paul Warfield's in the current batch of receivers? All I have seen is suckage on a grand scale.
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"You know how this goes. These types of throws, while not perfect, need to be caught. That's the difference that having a dependable receiver makes."
This. All of this. I'm not taking anything away from Deshaun Watson, but one of the biggest differences between him and Kizer is Watson has a dependable, all-star receiver. How many times a game does Watson hike the ball, stare Hopkins down, and deliver the ball to him because he's STILL open. You know it's coming, but you can't stop it because the guy knows how to get open. He knows how to win his route, come out of the breaks, and of course...catch the ball. Even if the ball isn't perfect, a guy like him can often times bring it in. Kizer doesn't have ANYTHING like this, and it's killing him. Look at that deep Higgins drop when Kizer felt the pressure, didn't panic in the end zone, stepped up and threw a pretty decent pass that Higgins got both hands on. Yeah, it was a TOUGH catch, but I see it made all the dang time! That would've been first down at the 40 or so, and a huge momentum shifter.
And that deep bomb to Ricardo? Cmon man! I don't think he would've scored per say, but he would've had a chance. I think the safety would've gotten him if the corner didn't trip him up, but you never know. Receivers score all of the time on things like that. Corner misses the ankles, the safety overruns the angle, and the receivers struts into the end zone. Does it happen FOR US? No, not since Josh Gordon flaked out 4 years ago. When is the last time we had a deep pass connect for a touchdown in a regular season? I mean, Jesus. Whenever we DO get a touchdown it seems like the most difficult thing ever. We get it to the 12. We somehow pick up a first down. We bulldoze our way into the end zone with our QB. It's always such a dang struggle. Now, I WAS happy to see the play-action TD to Njoku because it was one of those "easy touchdowns" I've been saying we need. Every other team gets them. But ours are always such a dang struggle, and it's tiring. I'd love to see a long throw, to a receiver who has a step, and then the guy make the catch and run in the end zone. Is that asking too much?
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Convenient comment, if not accurate...
Ok, so what is it? Pick bad talent intentional? I just don't think they have very good evaluation at all. I haven't seen a glimmer that sez playmaker out all of them. Draft 4, no playmakers. Or am I missing the Paul Warfield's in the current batch of receivers? All I have seen is suckage on a grand scale.
Ok, so what is it? Pick bad talent intentional? I just don't think they have very good evaluation at all. I haven't seen a glimmer that sez playmaker out all of them. Draft 4, no playmakers. Or am I missing the Paul Warfield's in the current batch of receivers? All I have seen is suckage on a grand scale.
You are focused on the WR to the exclusion of all the non-WR picks.
There's no doubt our WR picks have not panned out. I'll even supply you some new evidence... evidence even PFF haters will embrace because if supports their WR position.
The
#Browns are catching 74.4% of all catchable passes: Last in the NFL. Arizona is 31st at 80.3% and is closer to 14th team than ClevelandI want to point out... again... that besides Coleman, who arguably was developing this year, we basically spent loose change on WRs in 2016... two 4ths and a 5th. Our FO cast a net... they took a shot even though they were not fully set for the Draft. They spent 13 picks on Days 2 and 3 and netted six 2017 starters and a backup... and that's going what appears to be 0 fer 3 on WRs. This FO did not "punt" as our incoming regime did in 2014.
In 2017 we arguably went 10 fer 10 in the draft including 4 current starters plus what looks to be a very good Kicker and a solid, rotational DT. and Then there's a DT who may still be rising, a promising, injured CB, a RB some of us want to see a lot more of and a raw, but physically gifted OT. That's 10 for 10.
Didn't take a WR, so collectively there had to be a belief that one or more of the 2016 "busts" would develop. I have no doubt that was a collective judgement of FO and staff, and I am not convinced it was the wrong conclusion based upon their talent alone, but rather it was not considered in light of going with a raw, rookie QB... something few, if any, here saw as "the plan".
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