Garrett Hurt Already
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Did you really go to all that trouble to try to prove that I may have misspoken? I bet you and your wife have a real hard time together.
If I try to correct mine on some matter in which I think she may have misspoken I get Sheet all night long. I mean, if I went to the trouble of doing research to prove her wrong I would probably be getting divorced.
So, maybe I didn't turn the key.....but I did fuel the engine to keep the Train a Rollin
lol... I give her pause on occasion, but always remind her "you can't cowpoop a bullshitter"...
Keymaster? No... Head Cheerleader... pretty sure you are in running for that... or whatever it was they called the coal shoveler on a steam engine... Was it Coalman?
Might turn out to be a Hellbound Train... great track off an pretty good LP.
lol... I give her pause on occasion, but always remind her "you can't cowpoop a bullshitter"...
Keymaster? No... Head Cheerleader... pretty sure you are in running for that... or whatever it was they called the coal shoveler on a steam engine... Was it Coalman?
Might turn out to be a Hellbound Train... great track off an pretty good LP.
A Savoy Brown sighting. Cool.
Another song of theirs had a pretty good philosophy:
I'm tired of trying to be something I know ain't me
I'm tired of living up to what people expect me to be
You know some people are different
Now ain't that a crying shame
Now wouldn't be a real drag if we were all the sameAnd I'm not going to try to please
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The guy that shoveled the coal was called either a fireman or a stoker.
The guy that shoveled the sh-it is called Dr. Ghools.
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Obviously I want to see what Myles can do, but I'm also interested in seeing what effect he has on the game for other people as well. I'm pretty sure we'll see a few plays where Garrett just BLOWS past somebody and it makes you go, "Wow!". People need to understand that we not only stink at getting to the QB for sacks, we don't even get any QB HITS! Go look at the QB's jerseys at the end of the games, and they look perfectly clean. They look like they haven't been touched, and that's basically because they haven't been. It's really sad. Think about how many times we've watched Kizer get absolutely CRUNCHED. Now go back and think of the times when we've done that to the opposition's QB. It never happens.
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Pretty good article on Myles having an excellent week in practice this week. Seems the team believes he's back to his pre-injury self and ready for him to play.
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I didn't really see a relevant thread, so I'll post this here. I'm officially making my first, and possibly ONLY, Cleveland Browns victory prediction. Myles Garrett back. Danny Shelton back. Jamie Collins recently removed from concussion protocol, and although he didn't practice this week, I'm almost certain he'll play. Those are 3 of our best players, and I don't believe Kenny Britt will play, which actually helps AND hurts us. Despite his drops, Kizer almost always targeted Britt, and I think that really hampered his field vision. With Britt out, Kizer will forced into scanning the field more, and possibly see the field better. And maybe, just maybe, we won't have drops on passes which result in freaking picks.
Joe Schobert is definitely someone who tries, but his coverage skills are severely lacking, and that's to be expected for a rookie playing a new position. I think I heard teams are 14-16 when targeting him for around 200 yards and 2 tds. That's....not good. Jamie Collins is MUCH better in pass coverage and gives us a legitimate playmaker, something we desperately need. Josh McCown has been otherworldly accurate so far, and he's done pretty well getting the ball out quickly. Jamie might be able to trick the veteran into throwing a risky pass and I could see us getting our 1st defensive TD of the season.
Also, Hue Jackson indicated Myles Garrett will be on a pitch count, but I'm not so sure. Garrett won't play the ENTIRE game but he will be in there more than just 3rd and long. Garrett is a rookie and people really should have a realistic expectation of his performance, but that being said, Garrett WILL affect the game. He'll affect the Jets' game plan for blocking, for running, for timing and there will be a trickle down effect. Ogbah might get some better looks if Garrett is doubled or chipped. Shelton or Ogunjobi might receive less attention, or we might even see Brantley knife through again. Don't expect Garrett to come in and have 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, and a pick 6, but DO expect him to severely influence the game.
Yes, I'm calling for a Browns victory. I don't believe the Jets are good enough to win 3 games in a row, nor do I think they're good on the road. They got their butt blown apart in road games, and they played like a different team at home. We're actually going to WIN a dang coin toss, our defense is going to force a relatively quick punt, and we're going to get points on our 1st possession, even if it's just a FG. Gregg Williams will adjust and dial down the blitzes, and we'll make McCown fit the rock into tight windows all the way down the field. McCown will score some points, but for once our defense will force FG's, and that will be the difference in the game. Browns win 20-16 in an ugly game, nonetheless satisfying. Kizer is a pedestrian 16-28 passing for 192 yards, and connects on 2 long passes. One a TD to Ricardo Louis, and the other long pass to Duke on a wheel route (but not a TD). We get a defensive TD, and add 2 FG's to give us 20. Jets only muster one TD and 3 FG's.
Drink it in folks, Jiggins likely won't make any further Browns victory predictions this season. We're about as healthy as we're going to be, and our playmakers show up today to give our home crowd a little bit of enjoyment for a change. Of course, I reserve the right to change this prediction if Jamie Collins doesn't play, which is definitely a possibility. I think he's THAT important.
Offensively, don't be surprised to see David Njoku playing a larger role, and I'm thinking Seth Devalve will be our leading receiver. In fact, I could see Njoku playing WR in some formations, as discussed on our radio show. Hue Jackson will have to get creative because our WRs are a total mess, and it wouldn't be a total surprise if our WRs had less than 5 catches on the afternoon. But...Ricardo will still break free down the sidelines and Kizer will find him with a strike for our lone offensive TD. The center point of our offense will be Duke Johnson in the 1st half, and then Crow will finally get rolling in the 2nd half. I think it's time for a good game, and I am pretty sure the Jets aren't good enough to win 3 in a row.
Garrett gets a sack and tipped pass, which leads to our defensive TD. Collins catches it and leaps into the Dawg Pound. Kizer doesn't turn it over and does enough for our team to secure a much needed victory at home. It's time guys.
I'm officially making my first, and possibly ONLY, Cleveland Browns victory prediction. Myles Garrett back. Danny Shelton back. Jamie Collins recently removed from concussion protocol, and although he didn't practice this week, I'm almost certain he'll play.
Welcome to the club... but I fear it will have to come minus Collins. "DNP" across the board does not equal "starts" in my mind. Hope I'm wrong...
A Savoy Brown sighting. Cool.
Music was a big part of my college education. Lotta great roommates with diverse tastes. Even a few girlfriend contributions... theirs and mine.
The guy that shoveled the coal was called either a fireman or a stoker.
Thanks for the pickup... "Fireman" crossed my mind, but seemed wrong. Also "tinder" crossed my mind, but if memory serves, and it sometimes still does, the fuel car behind the stema locomotive was the "tinder car".
Why am I almost sure he will be helped off the field sometime tomorrow... ?
Could be your premonition is confusing him being carried off on shoulders with assisting an injured Myles...
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I didn't really see a relevant thread, so I'll post this here. I'm officially making my first, and possibly ONLY, Cleveland Browns victory prediction. Myles Garrett back. Danny Shelton back. Jamie Collins recently removed from concussion protocol, and although he didn't practice this week, I'm almost certain he'll play. Those are 3 of our best players, and I don't believe Kenny Britt will play, which actually helps AND hurts us. Despite his drops, Kizer almost always targeted Britt, and I think that really hampered his field vision. With Britt out, Kizer will forced into scanning the field more, and possibly see the field better. And maybe, just maybe, we won't have drops on passes which result in freaking picks.
Joe Schobert is definitely someone who tries, but his coverage skills are severely lacking, and that's to be expected for a rookie playing a new position. I think I heard teams are 14-16 when targeting him for around 200 yards and 2 tds. That's....not good. Jamie Collins is MUCH better in pass coverage and gives us a legitimate playmaker, something we desperately need. Josh McCown has been otherworldly accurate so far, and he's done pretty well getting the ball out quickly. Jamie might be able to trick the veteran into throwing a risky pass and I could see us getting our 1st defensive TD of the season.
Also, Hue Jackson indicated Myles Garrett will be on a pitch count, but I'm not so sure. Garrett won't play the ENTIRE game but he will be in there more than just 3rd and long. Garrett is a rookie and people really should have a realistic expectation of his performance, but that being said, Garrett WILL affect the game. He'll affect the Jets' game plan for blocking, for running, for timing and there will be a trickle down effect. Ogbah might get some better looks if Garrett is doubled or chipped. Shelton or Ogunjobi might receive less attention, or we might even see Brantley knife through again. Don't expect Garrett to come in and have 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, and a pick 6, but DO expect him to severely influence the game.
Yes, I'm calling for a Browns victory. I don't believe the Jets are good enough to win 3 games in a row, nor do I think they're good on the road. They got their butt blown apart in road games, and they played like a different team at home. We're actually going to WIN a dang coin toss, our defense is going to force a relatively quick punt, and we're going to get points on our 1st possession, even if it's just a FG. Gregg Williams will adjust and dial down the blitzes, and we'll make McCown fit the rock into tight windows all the way down the field. McCown will score some points, but for once our defense will force FG's, and that will be the difference in the game. Browns win 20-16 in an ugly game, nonetheless satisfying. Kizer is a pedestrian 16-28 passing for 192 yards, and connects on 2 long passes. One a TD to Ricardo Louis, and the other long pass to Duke on a wheel route (but not a TD). We get a defensive TD, and add 2 FG's to give us 20. Jets only muster one TD and 3 FG's.
Drink it in folks, Jiggins likely won't make any further Browns victory predictions this season. We're about as healthy as we're going to be, and our playmakers show up today to give our home crowd a little bit of enjoyment for a change. Of course, I reserve the right to change this prediction if Jamie Collins doesn't play, which is definitely a possibility. I think he's THAT important.
Offensively, don't be surprised to see David Njoku playing a larger role, and I'm thinking Seth Devalve will be our leading receiver. In fact, I could see Njoku playing WR in some formations, as discussed on our radio show. Hue Jackson will have to get creative because our WRs are a total mess, and it wouldn't be a total surprise if our WRs had less than 5 catches on the afternoon. But...Ricardo will still break free down the sidelines and Kizer will find him with a strike for our lone offensive TD. The center point of our offense will be Duke Johnson in the 1st half, and then Crow will finally get rolling in the 2nd half. I think it's time for a good game, and I am pretty sure the Jets aren't good enough to win 3 in a row.
Garrett gets a sack and tipped pass, which leads to our defensive TD. Collins catches it and leaps into the Dawg Pound. Kizer doesn't turn it over and does enough for our team to secure a much needed victory at home. It's time guys.
I didn't really see a relevant thread, so I'll post this here.
Joe Schobert is definitely someone who tries, but his coverage skills are severely lacking, and that's to be expected for a rookie playing a new position. I think I heard teams are 14-16 when targeting him for around 200 yards and 2 tds. That's....not good.
In fairness to Schobert, how many other MLBs in this league have their Safeties 25-30 yards off the line of scrimmage? That's a REAL deep/ambiguous zone transition (behind him) he's getting all the credit for failure in; especially when you consider MLBs already have to worry about both inside hook zones. Of course offenses are going to bulls eye that in their plans. Why wouldn't they? If Gregg Williams continues to line our Safeties up that deep - my guess is he has more confidence in his MLB than his corners.
Back when Jauron was here using the 4-3, I thought D'Qwell Jackson had his best season against the run as our MLB in terms of making the majority of his tackles right up against the point of attack (at the line of scrimmage) as opposed to downfield in pursuit that I grew accustomed to. On the other hand, he got picked on in zone coverage because he took on both inside hooks zones. At least he had Safety help behind him. If pass coverage was easy for MLBs, an instinctive guy like Spielman wouldn't have had to start coming off the field on 3rd downs (even with Safeties lining up in the same area code). It's a big reason a lot of teams like to use 4 LBers instead of 3 so the coverage zones are smaller and easier to patrol.
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I didn't really see a relevant thread, so I'll post this here.
Joe Schobert is definitely someone who tries, but his coverage skills are severely lacking, and that's to be expected for a rookie playing a new position. I think I heard teams are 14-16 when targeting him for around 200 yards and 2 tds. That's....not good.
In fairness to Schobert, how many other MLBs in this league have their Safeties 25-30 yards off the line of scrimmage? That's a REAL deep/ambiguous zone transition (behind him) he's getting all the credit for failure in; especially when you consider MLBs already have to worry about both inside hook zones. Of course offenses are going to bulls eye that in their plans. Why wouldn't they? If Gregg Williams continues to line our Safeties up that deep - my guess is he has more confidence in his MLB than his corners.
Back when Jauron was here using the 4-3, I thought D'Qwell Jackson had his best season against the run as our MLB in terms of making the majority of his tackles right up against the point of attack (at the line of scrimmage) as opposed to downfield in pursuit that I grew accustomed to. On the other hand, he got picked on in zone coverage because he took on both inside hooks zones. At least he had Safety help behind him. If pass coverage was easy for MLBs, an instinctive guy like Spielman wouldn't have had to start coming off the field on 3rd downs (even with Safeties lining up in the same area code). It's a big reason a lot of teams like to use 4 LBers instead of 3 so the coverage zones are smaller and easier to patrol.
In fairness to Schobert, how many other MLBs in this league have their Safeties 25-30 yards off the line of scrimmage? That's a REAL deep/ambiguous zone transition (behind him) he's getting all the credit for failure in; especially when you consider MLBs already have to worry about both inside hook zones. Of course offenses are going to bulls eye that in their plans. Why wouldn't they? If Gregg Williams continues to line our Safeties up that deep - my guess is he has more confidence in his MLB than his corners.
Back when Jauron was here using the 4-3, I thought D'Qwell Jackson had his best season against the run as our MLB in terms of making the majority of his tackles right up against the point of attack (at the line of scrimmage) as opposed to downfield in pursuit that I grew accustomed to. On the other hand, he got picked on in zone coverage because he took on both inside hooks zones. At least he had Safety help behind him. If pass coverage was easy for MLBs, an instinctive guy like Spielman wouldn't have had to start coming off the field on 3rd downs (even with Safeties lining up in the same area code). It's a big reason a lot of teams like to use 4 LBers instead of 3 so the coverage zones are smaller and easier to patrol.
I wish we'd bring the 46 back, but our secondary would get torched on bump and run. Garret though would make a great weak side DE in that scheme and williams could get naughty and firezone him alot. He would be a terror in the shallow zone kind of like pgh uses harrison.
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Bottom line is we don't have the personnel required to run the style of defense Gregg wants to run. We don't have the number of DB's, which is what really makes the Joe Haden release so puzzling. It's not like we were having cap problems. What do we really gain by letting him go? All it does is cripple us because of the trickle down effect, and what happens if we get an injury? Furthermore, we literally don't have a free safety on the roster who has ANY NFL experience. Do you have any idea how completely insane that is? My thoughts were to try Joe Haden at free safety. Why not? And it wasn't like I was the only one saying this.
Novices and amateur fans were saying this all year, so please tell me why our front office doesn't possess the foresight required to see this stuff? And if you REALLY want to get ticked off, just know that Malik Hooker has 3 INTs ALREADY and I was absolutely SCREAMING to draft him. I was screaming like a lunatic like somehow the television could hear me and relay the information to our front office. Oh but don't worry, we have Jabril Peppers who literally has done NOTHING AT ALL this year, and looks completely terrible. Like...worthless terrible. And yes I know it's a new position for him, but I don't care right now. I'm irritated because it really appears that novices like me know more about football than our freaking experts. We keep hearing about a 3 year plan. Does anyone really believe we're going to be ANY better next year? I don't. We have no WRs, free safety, big play ability, or much of anything that inspires hope. And yeah I know I sound negative right now, but can anyone really contradict me? I want SOME progress, and I want it right the heck NOW.
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Bottom line is we don't have the personnel required to run the style of defense Gregg wants to run. We don't have the number of DB's, which is what really makes the Joe Haden release so puzzling. It's not like we were having cap problems. What do we really gain by letting him go? All it does is cripple us because of the trickle down effect, and what happens if we get an injury? Furthermore, we literally don't have a free safety on the roster who has ANY NFL experience. Do you have any idea how completely insane that is? My thoughts were to try Joe Haden at free safety. Why not? And it wasn't like I was the only one saying this.
Novices and amateur fans were saying this all year, so please tell me why our front office doesn't possess the foresight required to see this stuff? And if you REALLY want to get ticked off, just know that Malik Hooker has 3 INTs ALREADY and I was absolutely SCREAMING to draft him. I was screaming like a lunatic like somehow the television could hear me and relay the information to our front office. Oh but don't worry, we have Jabril Peppers who literally has done NOTHING AT ALL this year, and looks completely terrible. Like...worthless terrible. And yes I know it's a new position for him, but I don't care right now. I'm irritated because it really appears that novices like me know more about football than our freaking experts. We keep hearing about a 3 year plan. Does anyone really believe we're going to be ANY better next year? I don't. We have no WRs, free safety, big play ability, or much of anything that inspires hope. And yeah I know I sound negative right now, but can anyone really contradict me? I want SOME progress, and I want it right the heck NOW.
We keep hearing about a 3 year plan. Does anyone really believe we're going to be ANY better next year? I don't. We have no WRs, free safety, big play ability, or much of anything that inspires hope. And yeah I know I sound negative right now, but can anyone really contradict me? I want SOME progress, and I want it right the heck NOW.
Mud? That you?
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I'm angry. I know it. But don't worry, I won't break my rule of posting during the game. I realize I'm not mature enough to comment during the game, so I won't. However, I would like to remind everyone that I DID predict for the first time, a Cleveland Browns victory. Today some things come together for us, just in time. I think we're due for "that game" where stuff magically goes right. Starting with the freaking coin toss. Jesus, we haven't even won a COIN TOSS. Then we get points on our 1st drive, and then we get momentum after our defense or special teams scores a touchdown (stop laughing). Yes folks, it's time for a victory. Josh McCown has never won 3 in a row, and he won 2 in a row for the 1st time since 2004. We are going to win the darn game, and it will be a total team effort. We will run the ball with Crow effectively. We'll get Duke involved on 3rd down. We won't blitz every damn 3rd down, and we'll force FG's in the red zone. Now, it won't come easy folks. We're going to have difficulty passing the ball because we don't have WRs. Guys, look at the total productivity of the WRs playing today. I'm not kidding when I say that the leading receiver probably has less than 200 yards total in his career. Our receivers won't get open. They won't separate. They won't catch everything. It'll be slow going with them, and we'll have to use the TE's more, and possibly a trick play today. We can win the game with 2 offensive touchdowns today. Let's find a way to get them.
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I'm angry. I know it. But don't worry, I won't break my rule of posting during the game. I realize I'm not mature enough to comment during the game, so I won't. However, I would like to remind everyone that I DID predict for the first time, a Cleveland Browns victory. Today some things come together for us, just in time. I think we're due for "that game" where stuff magically goes right. Starting with the freaking coin toss. Jesus, we haven't even won a COIN TOSS. Then we get points on our 1st drive, and then we get momentum after our defense or special teams scores a touchdown (stop laughing). Yes folks, it's time for a victory. Josh McCown has never won 3 in a row, and he won 2 in a row for the 1st time since 2004. We are going to win the darn game, and it will be a total team effort. We will run the ball with Crow effectively. We'll get Duke involved on 3rd down. We won't blitz every damn 3rd down, and we'll force FG's in the red zone. Now, it won't come easy folks. We're going to have difficulty passing the ball because we don't have WRs. Guys, look at the total productivity of the WRs playing today. I'm not kidding when I say that the leading receiver probably has less than 200 yards total in his career. Our receivers won't get open. They won't separate. They won't catch everything. It'll be slow going with them, and we'll have to use the TE's more, and possibly a trick play today. We can win the game with 2 offensive touchdowns today. Let's find a way to get them.
I'm angry. I know it. But don't worry, I won't break my rule of posting during the game. I realize I'm not mature enough to comment during the game, so I won't. However, I would like to remind everyone that I DID predict for the first time, a Cleveland Browns victory. Today some things come together for us, just in time. I think we're due for "that game" where stuff magically goes right. Starting with the freaking coin toss. Jesus, we haven't even won a COIN TOSS. Then we get points on our 1st drive, and then we get momentum after our defense or special teams scores a touchdown (stop laughing). Yes folks, it's time for a victory. Josh McCown has never won 3 in a row, and he won 2 in a row for the 1st time since 2004. We are going to win the darn game, and it will be a total team effort. We will run the ball with Crow effectively. We'll get Duke involved on 3rd down. We won't blitz every damn 3rd down, and we'll force FG's in the red zone. Now, it won't come easy folks. We're going to have difficulty passing the ball because we don't have WRs. Guys, look at the total productivity of the WRs playing today. I'm not kidding when I say that the leading receiver probably has less than 200 yards total in his career. Our receivers won't get open. They won't separate. They won't catch everything. It'll be slow going with them, and we'll have to use the TE's more, and possibly a trick play today. We can win the game with 2 offensive touchdowns today. Let's find a way to get them.
See if you mirrored your statement to everything opposite you said then I'd show u some respect.
Jets were supposed to suck worse than Browns this year.....HA!!!
Browns running game hasn't been good since the 80s, let alone FOs and coaching staffs.
Pettine and Farmer sucked (pleez). Mangini was too much the disciplinarian. But hue and Harvard can sniff a jock and tell they're a franchise QB.
what a sham. How do these biz men get fooled by Sanford and Son?
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Bottom line is we don't have the personnel required to run the style of defense Gregg wants to run. We don't have the number of DB's, which is what really makes the Joe Haden release so puzzling. It's not like we were having cap problems. What do we really gain by letting him go? All it does is cripple us because of the trickle down effect, and what happens if we get an injury? Furthermore, we literally don't have a free safety on the roster who has ANY NFL experience. Do you have any idea how completely insane that is? My thoughts were to try Joe Haden at free safety. Why not? And it wasn't like I was the only one saying this.
Novices and amateur fans were saying this all year, so please tell me why our front office doesn't possess the foresight required to see this stuff? And if you REALLY want to get ticked off, just know that Malik Hooker has 3 INTs ALREADY and I was absolutely SCREAMING to draft him. I was screaming like a lunatic like somehow the television could hear me and relay the information to our front office. Oh but don't worry, we have Jabril Peppers who literally has done NOTHING AT ALL this year, and looks completely terrible. Like...worthless terrible. And yes I know it's a new position for him, but I don't care right now. I'm irritated because it really appears that novices like me know more about football than our freaking experts. We keep hearing about a 3 year plan. Does anyone really believe we're going to be ANY better next year? I don't. We have no WRs, free safety, big play ability, or much of anything that inspires hope. And yeah I know I sound negative right now, but can anyone really contradict me? I want SOME progress, and I want it right the heck NOW.
Bottom line is we don't have the personnel required to run the style of defense Gregg wants to run. We don't have the number of DB's, which is what really makes the Joe Haden release so puzzling. It's not like we were having cap problems. What do we really gain by letting him go? All it does is cripple us because of the trickle down effect, and what happens if we get an injury? Furthermore, we literally don't have a free safety on the roster who has ANY NFL experience. Do you have any idea how completely insane that is? My thoughts were to try Joe Haden at free safety. Why not? And it wasn't like I was the only one saying this.
Novices and amateur fans were saying this all year, so please tell me why our front office doesn't possess the foresight required to see this stuff? And if you REALLY want to get ticked off, just know that Malik Hooker has 3 INTs ALREADY and I was absolutely SCREAMING to draft him. I was screaming like a lunatic like somehow the television could hear me and relay the information to our front office. Oh but don't worry, we have Jabril Peppers who literally has done NOTHING AT ALL this year, and looks completely terrible. Like...worthless terrible. And yes I know it's a new position for him, but I don't care right now. I'm irritated because it really appears that novices like me know more about football than our freaking experts. We keep hearing about a 3 year plan. Does anyone really believe we're going to be ANY better next year? I don't. We have no WRs, free safety, big play ability, or much of anything that inspires hope. And yeah I know I sound negative right now, but can anyone really contradict me? I want SOME progress, and I want it right the heck NOW.
We haven't ever had the personnel to run a 3-4 either so this franchise finally came to the conclusion our personnel was closer to being compatible with a 43. The first priority was improve the edge rush; but Myles Garrett has been hurt. That's just bad luck especially since he has the type of injury that doesn't always heal within 16 weeks. Next priority was to be better against the run; and we've accomplished that at least according to the yard per carry of our opponents.
We can agree that it is a passing era so somewhere in our priority list, we should be bringing in better WRs than the junior varsity WR Corps we're gagging on. In addition, we should be looking for better corners than the Jamar Taylor that disappointed his first team in Miami. I didn't understand the contract extension at the end of last year at all; but Mud seemed like one of the only ones who agreed with my lack of enthuse about it. Meanwhile, TN upgraded McCourty so we're starting him and pretending that's wonderful enough to blame everything on Schobert? I'll guarantee you if we line up our Safeties in the same area code as Schobert, he'd look a little more like D'Qwell Jackson when Jauron was here (especially against the run). I put all those specifics in my previous reply to you.
So, in this passing era - we have a less than competitive WR Corps & tandem of starting corners to worry about aside from a rookie QB we don't know if he will be the next Brandon Weeden or Vinny Testaverde (who took years to almost develop on a team like this in Tampa before better settings elsewhere allowed it). There's a lot of guys in here whose opinions I respect about QBs that think Kizer will end up being worth the growing pains so I'll try to be a little more patient and bigger picture about him and the lack of tools outside he has...
If we're going to have all kinds of cake$ - I'd rather see us not throwing away 16 million $ on Brock Osweiler (whom we originally had zero intention of keeping) all the while we're not drafting any significant help at WR and Corner. I've always had a habit of betting with my heart when it comes to this franchise; and unfortunately that usually proves to be 1 gigantic brain fart.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
In fairness to Schobert, how many other MLBs in this league have their Safeties 25-30 yards off the line of scrimmage? That's a REAL deep/ambiguous zone transition (behind him) he's getting all the credit for failure in; especially when you consider MLBs already have to worry about both inside hook zones. Of course offenses are going to bulls eye that in their plans. Why wouldn't they? If Gregg Williams continues to line our Safeties up that deep - my guess is he has more confidence in his MLB than his corners.
Back when Jauron was here using the 4-3, I thought D'Qwell Jackson had his best season against the run as our MLB in terms of making the majority of his tackles right up against the point of attack (at the line of scrimmage) as opposed to downfield in pursuit that I grew accustomed to. On the other hand, he got picked on in zone coverage because he took on both inside hooks zones. At least he had Safety help behind him. If pass coverage was easy for MLBs, an instinctive guy like Spielman wouldn't have had to start coming off the field on 3rd downs (even with Safeties lining up in the same area code). It's a big reason a lot of teams like to use 4 LBers instead of 3 so the coverage zones are smaller and easier to patrol.
I wish we'd bring the 46 back, but our secondary would get torched on bump and run. Garret though would make a great weak side DE in that scheme and williams could get naughty and firezone him alot. He would be a terror in the shallow zone kind of like pgh uses harrison.
I wish we'd bring the 46 back, but our secondary would get torched on bump and run. Garret though would make a great weak side DE in that scheme and williams could get naughty and firezone him alot. He would be a terror in the shallow zone kind of like pgh uses harrison.
Once upon a time Gregg Williams was on Buddy Ryan's staff in Houston (along with Jeff Fisher) when they were trying to run that defense. If you remember the 85 Bears, there was 1 QB that shredded that Defense on MNF. It was Dan Marino. I bring that up because a lot of things have changed in favor of passing games since 1985, which is why some of the next generation of 46 defense haven't been as successful. Philly never even won a single playoff game with it.
To your point, Williams has used some 46 wrinkles in places he's had some of the personnel to pull it off. This team is coming off 1-15 so I'm guessing we'll have to wait on that a little.
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I'm angry. I know it. But don't worry, I won't break my rule of posting during the game. I realize I'm not mature enough to comment during the game, so I won't. However, I would like to remind everyone that I DID predict for the first time, a Cleveland Browns victory. Today some things come together for us, just in time. I think we're due for "that game" where stuff magically goes right. Starting with the freaking coin toss. Jesus, we haven't even won a COIN TOSS. Then we get points on our 1st drive, and then we get momentum after our defense or special teams scores a touchdown (stop laughing). Yes folks, it's time for a victory. Josh McCown has never won 3 in a row, and he won 2 in a row for the 1st time since 2004. We are going to win the darn game, and it will be a total team effort. We will run the ball with Crow effectively. We'll get Duke involved on 3rd down. We won't blitz every damn 3rd down, and we'll force FG's in the red zone. Now, it won't come easy folks. We're going to have difficulty passing the ball because we don't have WRs. Guys, look at the total productivity of the WRs playing today. I'm not kidding when I say that the leading receiver probably has less than 200 yards total in his career. Our receivers won't get open. They won't separate. They won't catch everything. It'll be slow going with them, and we'll have to use the TE's more, and possibly a trick play today. We can win the game with 2 offensive touchdowns today. Let's find a way to get them.
I'm angry. I know it. But don't worry, I won't break my rule of posting during the game. I realize I'm not mature enough to comment during the game, so I won't. However, I would like to remind everyone that I DID predict for the first time, a Cleveland Browns victory. Today some things come together for us, just in time. I think we're due for "that game" where stuff magically goes right. Starting with the freaking coin toss. Jesus, we haven't even won a COIN TOSS. Then we get points on our 1st drive, and then we get momentum after our defense or special teams scores a touchdown (stop laughing). Yes folks, it's time for a victory. Josh McCown has never won 3 in a row, and he won 2 in a row for the 1st time since 2004. We are going to win the darn game, and it will be a total team effort. We will run the ball with Crow effectively. We'll get Duke involved on 3rd down. We won't blitz every damn 3rd down, and we'll force FG's in the red zone. Now, it won't come easy folks. We're going to have difficulty passing the ball because we don't have WRs. Guys, look at the total productivity of the WRs playing today. I'm not kidding when I say that the leading receiver probably has less than 200 yards total in his career. Our receivers won't get open. They won't separate. They won't catch everything. It'll be slow going with them, and we'll have to use the TE's more, and possibly a trick play today. We can win the game with 2 offensive touchdowns today. Let's find a way to get them.
I'll admit, I kind of want to see you post during the game now. Sounds like it would be entertaining!
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Bottom line is we don't have the personnel required to run the style of defense Gregg wants to run. We don't have the number of DB's, which is what really makes the Joe Haden release so puzzling. It's not like we were having cap problems. What do we really gain by letting him go? All it does is cripple us because of the trickle down effect, and what happens if we get an injury? Furthermore, we literally don't have a free safety on the roster who has ANY NFL experience. Do you have any idea how completely insane that is? My thoughts were to try Joe Haden at free safety. Why not? And it wasn't like I was the only one saying this.
Novices and amateur fans were saying this all year, so please tell me why our front office doesn't possess the foresight required to see this stuff? And if you REALLY want to get ticked off, just know that Malik Hooker has 3 INTs ALREADY and I was absolutely SCREAMING to draft him. I was screaming like a lunatic like somehow the television could hear me and relay the information to our front office. Oh but don't worry, we have Jabril Peppers who literally has done NOTHING AT ALL this year, and looks completely terrible. Like...worthless terrible. And yes I know it's a new position for him, but I don't care right now. I'm irritated because it really appears that novices like me know more about football than our freaking experts. We keep hearing about a 3 year plan. Does anyone really believe we're going to be ANY better next year? I don't. We have no WRs, free safety, big play ability, or much of anything that inspires hope. And yeah I know I sound negative right now, but can anyone really contradict me? I want SOME progress, and I want it right the heck NOW.
Does anyone really believe we're going to be ANY better next year?
Yo... and yes.
The FS spot is a sore one... even for us non-Hooker guys. It was a deep FS draft and our need, even before Reynolds went down was discernible... #Front2Back&InsideOut. Gregg has adapted as best he can and Schobert has exceeded my expectations even with the added challenge Flugs enumerated. Was Haden an answer? Dunno... but his 2016 concussion issues did not bode well.
I won't break my rule of posting during the game.
There's always the Mobile Tavern.... feel free to groan and cheer with us.
- Jets were supposed to suck worse than Browns this year.....HA!!!
- Browns running game hasn't been good since the 80s, let alone FOs and coaching staffs.
- TBD... very soon now...
- Excepting a brief period in the late 2000's (Droughns/Lewis/Lewis... 1000 yarders 3 our of 4 years running)... yes. But as with past "FOs and staffs", that has no bearing on today.
#TheseAreTheTimesThatTryMen'sSouls
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Bottom line is we don't have the personnel required to run the style of defense Gregg wants to run. We don't have the number of DB's, which is what really makes the Joe Haden release so puzzling. It's not like we were having cap problems. What do we really gain by letting him go? All it does is cripple us because of the trickle down effect, and what happens if we get an injury? Furthermore, we literally don't have a free safety on the roster who has ANY NFL experience. Do you have any idea how completely insane that is? My thoughts were to try Joe Haden at free safety. Why not? And it wasn't like I was the only one saying this.
Novices and amateur fans were saying this all year, so please tell me why our front office doesn't possess the foresight required to see this stuff? And if you REALLY want to get ticked off, just know that Malik Hooker has 3 INTs ALREADY and I was absolutely SCREAMING to draft him. I was screaming like a lunatic like somehow the television could hear me and relay the information to our front office. Oh but don't worry, we have Jabril Peppers who literally has done NOTHING AT ALL this year, and looks completely terrible. Like...worthless terrible. And yes I know it's a new position for him, but I don't care right now. I'm irritated because it really appears that novices like me know more about football than our freaking experts. We keep hearing about a 3 year plan. Does anyone really believe we're going to be ANY better next year? I don't. We have no WRs, free safety, big play ability, or much of anything that inspires hope. And yeah I know I sound negative right now, but can anyone really contradict me? I want SOME progress, and I want it right the heck NOW.
We haven't ever had the personnel to run a 3-4 either so this franchise finally came to the conclusion our personnel was closer to being compatible with a 43. The first priority was improve the edge rush; but Myles Garrett has been hurt. That's just bad luck especially since he has the type of injury that doesn't always heal within 16 weeks. Next priority was to be better against the run; and we've accomplished that at least according to the yard per carry of our opponents.
We can agree that it is a passing era so somewhere in our priority list, we should be bringing in better WRs than the junior varsity WR Corps we're gagging on. In addition, we should be looking for better corners than the Jamar Taylor that disappointed his first team in Miami. I didn't understand the contract extension at the end of last year at all; but Mud seemed like one of the only ones who agreed with my lack of enthuse about it. Meanwhile, TN upgraded McCourty so we're starting him and pretending that's wonderful enough to blame everything on Schobert? I'll guarantee you if we line up our Safeties in the same area code as Schobert, he'd look a little more like D'Qwell Jackson when Jauron was here (especially against the run). I put all those specifics in my previous reply to you.
So, in this passing era - we have a less than competitive WR Corps & tandem of starting corners to worry about aside from a rookie QB we don't know if he will be the next Brandon Weeden or Vinny Testaverde (who took years to almost develop on a team like this in Tampa before better settings elsewhere allowed it). There's a lot of guys in here whose opinions I respect about QBs that think Kizer will end up being worth the growing pains so I'll try to be a little more patient and bigger picture about him and the lack of tools outside he has...
If we're going to have all kinds of cake$ - I'd rather see us not throwing away 16 million $ on Brock Osweiler (whom we originally had zero intention of keeping) all the while we're not drafting any significant help at WR and Corner. I've always had a habit of betting with my heart when it comes to this franchise; and unfortunately that usually proves to be 1 gigantic brain fart.
We haven't ever had the personnel to run a 3-4 either
We've spent years bouncing back and forth from 4-3 to 3-4. Better fit does not equal best fit. Here's hoping for a 3rd year in one D fed by drafts and FA.
Philly never even won a single playoff game with it.
Not to mention the Buddy factor as HC.
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We haven't ever had the personnel to run a 3-4 either
We've spent years bouncing back and forth from 4-3 to 3-4. Better fit does not equal best fit. Here's hoping for a 3rd year in one D fed by drafts and FA.
Philly never even won a single playoff game with it.
Not to mention the Buddy factor as HC.
We've spent years bouncing back and forth from 4-3 to 3-4.
My memory has us winning 7 in Pets first year and then firing him for losing half his team to injury and forcing an idiot QB down his throat, thus causing the team to step back in year 2.....that was just 3 years ago......and now, 7 wins is a pipe dream....
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We've spent years bouncing back and forth from 4-3 to 3-4.
My memory has us winning 7 in Pets first year and then firing him for losing half his team to injury and forcing an idiot QB down his throat, thus causing the team to step back in year 2.....that was just 3 years ago......and now, 7 wins is a pipe dream....
My memory has us winning 7 in Pets first year and then firing him for losing half his team to injury and forcing an idiot QB down his throat, thus causing the team to step back in year 2.....that was just 3 years ago......and now, 7 wins is a pipe dream....
Pettine went through so much. dude was underrated. not saying he's a great coach, but he was dealt a shitty hand in the NFL. Equivalent to being dealt the hand of being a midget in real life.
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