***Official Browns Vs. N.Y. Jets Game Day Thread***
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@boo-fagley said:
No it wasnt.
You take the points. It was a chip shot and the kicker made the PAT. Also, it might have instilled a little confidence in the kicking game. If the Browns lose by 3 then Hue needs to pack his bags.
lol...two nonsensical points. The fact it was a chip shot is irrelevant. even if we assign a value of 3 to the decision to kick, the value of being fourth and 1 at the 3 has a pt value of more than 3.
as for "instilling confidence in the kicking game"...this is just meaningless cliched bullshite.
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@boo-fagley said:
You gotta take the points.
Belichick would 100 times out of 100 if Brady had to kick the damn ball through the uprights.
lol....BB once famously went for it on 4th and 2 and on his own 28 late in the 4th qtr up against the colts because the analytics told him to in that game situation. If you think he of all people would have gone against the data and played it safe you are crazy.
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Oh please in your infinite wisdom validate your statement with facts and not words. I'm certain you can't.
You don't judge a decision on if it worked? Surely you hear how ducking stupid that sounds right? I played football for a long time. In pee wee leagues the decision there is to take the points.
Seriously, Hue doesn't get it. If he's gone tomorrow I wouldn't be upset.
I suggest you consult a pts expectation or game specific win expectancy chart.
As for judging a decision based on whether it worked....if you go out now and rob a convenience store and get 300 dollars and never get caught, it 'worked'. doesnt mean it was the right decision.
I suggest you consult a pts expectation or game specific win expectancy chart.
As for judging a decision based on whether it worked....if you go out now and rob a convenience store and get 300 dollars and never get caught, it 'worked'. doesnt mean it was the right decision.
That's why I asked you. You've said three times now it was the right decision based on the analytics, but can't explain why or provide proof. Can you understand why I would say you're full of crap? Or do you just like saying things without understanding them at all?
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I suggest you consult a pts expectation or game specific win expectancy chart.
As for judging a decision based on whether it worked....if you go out now and rob a convenience store and get 300 dollars and never get caught, it 'worked'. doesnt mean it was the right decision.
That's why I asked you. You've said three times now it was the right decision based on the analytics, but can't explain why or provide proof. Can you understand why I would say you're full of crap? Or do you just like saying things without understanding them at all?
That's why I asked you. You've said three times now it was the right decision based on the analytics, but can't explain why or provide proof. Can you understand why I would say you're full of crap? Or do you just like saying things without understanding them at all?
it was right based on the analytics because the pt expectation value of going for it there in that situation is going to be almost 4 pts. Whereas kicking in that situation is going to be between 2.9 and 3.0. not complicated.
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@boo-fagley said:
Youre wrong.
The Browns are down 2 scores now. Would you rather be 17 - 10 or 17 - 7?
If you choose the latter then I want to do business with you.
(sigh)
and if the browns had made it they would be down 17-14. I'd rather be 17-14 than 17-10
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you're all forgetting something: if the browns went for the FG and missed, would you still think kicking was the right decision or would people be lamenting that the Browns didn't go for it? this is the Browns we're talking about, it is entirely possible they miss from that distance
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D's getting tired, not getting pressure anymore.
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you're all forgetting something: if the browns went for the FG and missed, would you still think kicking was the right decision or would people be lamenting that the Browns didn't go for it? this is the Browns we're talking about, it is entirely possible they miss from that distance
you're all forgetting something: if the browns went for the FG and missed, would you still think kicking was the right decision or would people be lamenting that the Browns didn't go for it? this is the Browns we're talking about, it is entirely possible they miss from that distance
its very very unlikely they miss from that distance. It was the right decision to go for it because a 60% chance at 7 pts is better than a near 100% chance at 3 pts.
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I still think this team will be good next year. But that's if we draft WRs and CBs. We got the picks, just need to draft em.
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Hue is gone. He's a Shmucking Retard
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Hue is gone. He's a Shmucking Retard
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Hue is gone. He's a Shmucking Retard
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Can you see what happened after we failed on 4th down?
All of the momentum went to the Jets.
If we'd have come out with points it would have been different. How different we can't be sure. But all the mojo left town.
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@boo-fagley said:
He did because the defense could not stop Peyton Manning and was fearful NE would not get the ball back.
Your nonsensical point has ZERO relevance in this game. You tie the game 10 - 10. Jerry Glanville analytics are bull Sheet.
sure...pt expectation charts have zero relevance lol......good one. And wtf does jerry glanville have to do with analytics?
Read barnwell's column tommorrow. He'll break it down for you guys why it was the right move based on the numbers to go for it.
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Can you see what happened after we failed on 4th down?
All of the momentum went to the Jets.
If we'd have come out with points it would have been different. How different we can't be sure. But all the mojo left town.
Can you see what happened after we failed on 4th down?
All of the momentum went to the Jets.
If we'd have come out with points it would have been different. How different we can't be sure. But all the mojo left town.
and if we make it(and we had a greater than 50% chance to), then we get tons of momentum. It goes both ways. Thats if you believe in momentum anyways.
It was *the key* play in the game. That stop they made was huge. but it was still the right call. You kick there and you are leaving points on the board.
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on a positive note, looks like some of the receivers brought up from the practice squad can actually catch. let's see what happens in the last few minutes
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on a positive note, looks like some of the receivers brought up from the practice squad can actually catch. let's see what happens in the last few minutes
on a positive note, looks like some of the receivers brought up from the practice squad can actually catch. let's see what happens in the last few minutes
Agreed, overall the 2nd half showed some promise.
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Hue is gone. He's a Shmucking Retard
Hue is gone. He's a Shmucking Retard
Doubtful. Jimmy does that and we'll get no one in FA and kids will be making pre combine videos left and right next year begging teams not to let the browns take them
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0-16 here we come parade incoming
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