tommorrow we WIN or it's hard to see how hue is back in 2018....
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"Lots of options, I just can't name any of them, because then it'd be revealed they have no better a resume than Hue Jackson."
"Lots of options, I just can't name any of them, because then it'd be revealed they have no better a resume than Hue Jackson."
wtf? guys like jim bob cooter, spagnuolo, chris richard, patricia, and plenty of other guys would be decent candidates.
Hue was a decent choice as well. But now, if after 32 games he has a historically bad record even relative to other bottom feeder teams, we know he isn't the guy. It's not complicated.
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werent we just predicting a 4-6 win season based upon all that new talent?????.....I do belive that was the consensus........now///suddenly....our roster is worse than the Jets and 49'ers and this is whats expected?......in year 2 of the build?.....
Hell, I was predicting one or 2 wins last year and taking grief for my negativity....told "no way".....then it changed to "of course they're gonna lose, its the plan".....NEXT year we'll start the climb.....and now?.....after 2 record setting drafts(in terms of picks) we still suck so bad we cant beat the worst teams out there?.....
Hahahahaha///////fire em all
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We're only one loss away from dropping under .300 since our 1999 "return".
Our record since 1999 is 88-205 (88-206 if you count playoffs) with just one double digit win season. In the same period the last head coach that won a playoff game with the Browns went 212-81 (237-90 if you count playoffs) with just one double digit loss season.
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We're only one loss away from dropping under .300 since our 1999 "return".
Our record since 1999 is 88-205 (88-206 if you count playoffs) with just one double digit win season. In the same period the last head coach that won a playoff game with the Browns went 212-81 (237-90 if you count playoffs) with just one double digit loss season.
No excuse for the loss today.
We're only one loss away from dropping under .300 since our 1999 "return".
Our record since 1999 is 88-205 (88-206 if you count playoffs) with just one double digit win season. In the same period the last head coach that won a playoff game with the Browns went 212-81 (237-90 if you count playoffs) with just one double digit loss season.
Holy hell....... keep that kind of s hit to yourself!
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werent we just predicting a 4-6 win season based upon all that new talent?????.....I do belive that was the consensus........now///suddenly....our roster is worse than the Jets and 49'ers and this is whats expected?......in year 2 of the build?.....
Hell, I was predicting one or 2 wins last year and taking grief for my negativity....told "no way".....then it changed to "of course they're gonna lose, its the plan".....NEXT year we'll start the climb.....and now?.....after 2 record setting drafts(in terms of picks) we still suck so bad we cant beat the worst teams out there?.....
Hahahahaha///////fire em all
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So we have two options, both of which mean failure and one of which we have tried for the last 20 years.
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So we have two options, both of which mean failure and one of which we have tried for the last 20 years.
So we have two options, both of which mean failure and one of which we have tried for the last 20 years.
why do we have only 2 options?....thats a pretty closed minded view.....so, are you suggesting that option 1 is what every team has ever done and option 2 is what shashi just invented?...(cause its never been done before?)
Just like Hue said today(about his teams play today)...How about the Browns werent successful, not because they had the wrong plan, but just they didnt execute well.....Just like you say about the team,.....maybe its not the plan, its the players....
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It was the ridiculous Hue redzone plan that failed them terribly. He is just flat awful.
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So we have two options, both of which mean failure and one of which we have tried for the last 20 years.
why do we have only 2 options?....thats a pretty closed minded view.....so, are you suggesting that option 1 is what every team has ever done and option 2 is what shashi just invented?...(cause its never been done before?)
Just like Hue said today(about his teams play today)...How about the Browns werent successful, not because they had the wrong plan, but just they didnt execute well.....Just like you say about the team,.....maybe its not the plan, its the players....
why do we have only 2 options?....thats a pretty closed minded view.....so, are you suggesting that option 1 is what every team has ever done and option 2 is what shashi just invented?...(cause its never been done before?)
Just like Hue said today(about his teams play today)...How about the Browns werent successful, not because they had the wrong plan, but just they didnt execute well.....Just like you say about the team,.....maybe its not the plan, its the players....
It’s the players that the guys who are not football guys picked
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So we have two options, both of which mean failure and one of which we have tried for the last 20 years.
why do we have only 2 options?....thats a pretty closed minded view.....so, are you suggesting that option 1 is what every team has ever done and option 2 is what shashi just invented?...(cause its never been done before?)
Just like Hue said today(about his teams play today)...How about the Browns werent successful, not because they had the wrong plan, but just they didnt execute well.....Just like you say about the team,.....maybe its not the plan, its the players....
why do we have only 2 options?....thats a pretty closed minded view.....so, are you suggesting that option 1 is what every team has ever done and option 2 is what shashi just invented?...(cause its never been done before?)
Just like Hue said today(about his teams play today)...How about the Browns werent successful, not because they had the wrong plan, but just they didnt execute well.....Just like you say about the team,.....maybe its not the plan, its the players....
No, option 1 is what WE have done since the franchise came back. And it has failed EVERY TIME. And your brilliant new idea is to do it yet again. Yes, option 2 is a new way. Maybe it works with Hue, maybe not. Won't know until the end of 2018 at least.
And doesn't your second paragraph contradict your narrative that Hue needs to go? You're agreeing he just doesn't have the players yet? Ay ay ay. As I said earlier in the week, fans say strange stuff when they're upset. I will be happy to discuss this with sober mind later in the week.
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why do we have only 2 options?....thats a pretty closed minded view.....so, are you suggesting that option 1 is what every team has ever done and option 2 is what shashi just invented?...(cause its never been done before?)
Just like Hue said today(about his teams play today)...How about the Browns werent successful, not because they had the wrong plan, but just they didnt execute well.....Just like you say about the team,.....maybe its not the plan, its the players....
No, option 1 is what WE have done since the franchise came back. And it has failed EVERY TIME. And your brilliant new idea is to do it yet again. Yes, option 2 is a new way. Maybe it works with Hue, maybe not. Won't know until the end of 2018 at least.
And doesn't your second paragraph contradict your narrative that Hue needs to go? You're agreeing he just doesn't have the players yet? Ay ay ay. As I said earlier in the week, fans say strange stuff when they're upset. I will be happy to discuss this with sober mind later in the week.
No, option 1 is what WE have done since the franchise came back. And it has failed EVERY TIME. And your brilliant new idea is to do it yet again. Yes, option 2 is a new way. Maybe it works with Hue, maybe not. Won't know until the end of 2018 at least.
Thats silly....I never said do it again. And there are more than 2 options.....What is it about the end of 2018 that is some majic measuring stick......its pretty clear(right now) that we have only had backward movement......2 years of beyond terrible is a good measuring stick....I say, instead of trying something thats just different, lets try something that actually works
And doesn't your second paragraph contradict your narrative that Hue needs to go? You're agreeing he just doesn't have the players yet? Ay ay ay. As I said earlier in the week, fans say strange stuff when they're upset. I will be happy to discuss this with sober mind later in the week.
My second paragraph simply states what Ive been saying 4 2 regimes, 2 FO's and 2 coaching staffs....it's not the system, its the people working the system....that comment can apply to executives, FO, owners, coaches and players....
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why do we have only 2 options?....thats a pretty closed minded view.....so, are you suggesting that option 1 is what every team has ever done and option 2 is what shashi just invented?...(cause its never been done before?)
Just like Hue said today(about his teams play today)...How about the Browns werent successful, not because they had the wrong plan, but just they didnt execute well.....Just like you say about the team,.....maybe its not the plan, its the players....
No, option 1 is what WE have done since the franchise came back. And it has failed EVERY TIME. And your brilliant new idea is to do it yet again. Yes, option 2 is a new way. Maybe it works with Hue, maybe not. Won't know until the end of 2018 at least.
And doesn't your second paragraph contradict your narrative that Hue needs to go? You're agreeing he just doesn't have the players yet? Ay ay ay. As I said earlier in the week, fans say strange stuff when they're upset. I will be happy to discuss this with sober mind later in the week.
No, option 1 is what WE have done since the franchise came back. And it has failed EVERY TIME. And your brilliant new idea is to do it yet again. Yes, option 2 is a new way. Maybe it works with Hue, maybe not. Won't know until the end of 2018 at least.
And doesn't your second paragraph contradict your narrative that Hue needs to go? You're agreeing he just doesn't have the players yet? Ay ay ay. As I said earlier in the week, fans say strange stuff when they're upset. I will be happy to discuss this with sober mind later in the week.
War, with all due respect didn't you state that you didn't even watch the game today?
Hue definitely had some questionable play calling and clock management decisions. He needs an offensive coordinator at the least. We definitely should've won that game, and in many people's opinion, Hue is the reason we lost the game because of his incompetence.
Watch the game first, and then you can debate us with a fresh set of eyes.
Waiting until 2018 is over will do nothing. What if Hue and the browns don't win any games this year and next year? Will Haslam keep them till 2020, or you think he might question some of the decisions. They said 4-5 year plan but what gets me is we haven't seen progress. We just got rid of everyone and brought in a bunch of youngins. gave the fat contract to britt instead of pryor. got rid of haden for nothing. And who will replace haden? what if some of our young draft picks turn out to be practice squad material? Maybe at this rate, we'll have two diamonds in the rough by year 4 or 5, but what if they're so sick of losing that they leave?
Haslam will probably fire Hue
wouldn't it be better to fire Hue now and put someone with some energy and fire in?
Someone with some common sense and clock management skills?
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No, option 1 is what WE have done since the franchise came back. And it has failed EVERY TIME. And your brilliant new idea is to do it yet again. Yes, option 2 is a new way. Maybe it works with Hue, maybe not. Won't know until the end of 2018 at least.
And doesn't your second paragraph contradict your narrative that Hue needs to go? You're agreeing he just doesn't have the players yet? Ay ay ay. As I said earlier in the week, fans say strange stuff when they're upset. I will be happy to discuss this with sober mind later in the week.
War, with all due respect didn't you state that you didn't even watch the game today?
Hue definitely had some questionable play calling and clock management decisions. He needs an offensive coordinator at the least. We definitely should've won that game, and in many people's opinion, Hue is the reason we lost the game because of his incompetence.
Watch the game first, and then you can debate us with a fresh set of eyes.
Waiting until 2018 is over will do nothing. What if Hue and the browns don't win any games this year and next year? Will Haslam keep them till 2020, or you think he might question some of the decisions. They said 4-5 year plan but what gets me is we haven't seen progress. We just got rid of everyone and brought in a bunch of youngins. gave the fat contract to britt instead of pryor. got rid of haden for nothing. And who will replace haden? what if some of our young draft picks turn out to be practice squad material? Maybe at this rate, we'll have two diamonds in the rough by year 4 or 5, but what if they're so sick of losing that they leave?
Haslam will probably fire Hue
wouldn't it be better to fire Hue now and put someone with some energy and fire in?
Someone with some common sense and clock management skills?
War, with all due respect didn't you state that you didn't even watch the game today?
Hue definitely had some questionable play calling and clock management decisions. He needs an offensive coordinator at the least. We definitely should've won that game, and in many people's opinion, Hue is the reason we lost the game because of his incompetence.
Watch the game first, and then you can debate us with a fresh set of eyes.
Waiting until 2018 is over will do nothing. What if Hue and the browns don't win any games this year and next year? Will Haslam keep them till 2020, or you think he might question some of the decisions. They said 4-5 year plan but what gets me is we haven't seen progress. We just got rid of everyone and brought in a bunch of youngins. gave the fat contract to britt instead of pryor. got rid of haden for nothing. And who will replace haden? what if some of our young draft picks turn out to be practice squad material? Maybe at this rate, we'll have two diamonds in the rough by year 4 or 5, but what if they're so sick of losing that they leave?
Haslam will probably fire Hue
wouldn't it be better to fire Hue now and put someone with some energy and fire in?
Someone with some common sense and clock management skills?
right...listen, War is committed, come hell or high water, to stick this through 2018.....so, his bench mark is a 3 year period...fair enough...but there should be measurables worth during that 3 year waiting period......
take a 3 year journey and yu should have an idea where you'll be yr 1 and yr 2....if not, how do you adjust?
I assure you, the powers that be have established many measurables, indicators and benchmarks from which they will gauge the progress....or measure the level of success or failure for years 1 - 2 - 3 etc....NO organization is going inplement a complete new system and not establish these basic measurables.....and, I assure you, they are behind where they thought theyd be....and Shashi, Jimmy and Hue have all spoken to that and the team acknowledges it....
why others cant is beyond me......
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Hue is failing as a HC by any parameters new or old.
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The same stupid people have been saying the same stupid Sheet for 30 years
The same stupid people have been saying the same stupid Sheet for 30 years
How much more of a chance does Hue need TC? Question: Did Hogan outplay Kizer today? MHO the answer is clearly yes. So, what does that tell me as a season ticket holder? Winning means nothing this year? AGAIN?
Me and Mud are in total agreement Kizer needs to sit. Unfortunately, we just blew our best chance at a win today. LOL, we were discussing if there's ever been a 0-0 tie in the NFL. That's how inept the Browns offense looked in the first half.
Today, I saw a head coach / offensive coordinator get the ball on the 6ish yard line for 1st and goal. Then I saw that coach not put his best offensive player (Duke) on the field for any of the upcoming 3 plays, and rather than try to slam the thing in with his 2nd best RB (Crow), he elected to go with an oh-so-tricky, high school like QB option which of course turned into a fumble.
So instead of putting your team's chances on your best players' backs ("elite" Oline <LMAO> and Duke), you instead put it on a 21yr old QB (who has played like whoreshit all year) and a half blind RB who needs a hole the size of an elephant to be productive.
Then repeat the above a couple of more times..... today the HC/OC snatched defeat from the jaws of victory............ in over his head.
& you've got a HOF LT, so let's confuse 'em by running right.
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Been named head coach after we've cycled through so many that no one wants to come.
Hue is done. He is the worst game day head coach the Browns have had..... and that's saying a mouth full.
If you're a dude who has lost 20 of his last 21 under Hue, you honestly can't tell me that you'd still be buying in..... He's done, and today was painfully obvious of that.
Hue is done. He is the worst game day head coach the Browns have had..... and that's saying a mouth full.
If you're a dude who has lost 20 of his last 21 under Hue, you honestly can't tell me that you'd still be buying in..... He's done, and today was painfully obvious of that.
I can't go as far as done, but I am moving in that direction... slowly. I do think "buying in" is a key phrase... although not in the sense I think you used it.
Hue has to be getting analytics in his scouting reports. Reports not only on the upcoming opponent, but also on his Offense. And I cannot imagine that the report this week did not say, "Crow is more effective in the I-formation or singleback with the QB under Center. And the QB is more effective when Crow is effective." We saw both were true early.
And as the game wore on... Hue went away from the report. Despite the absence of any scoreboard rationale this week... Hue went away from the report.
For contrast look at O'Brian's discipline in using his rookie QB.
dont see the point of firing him mid season though and going with an interim. Barring hue going something like 5-6 the rest of the way he's probably gone, and thats ok. There will be lots f options out there.
I dont think hue is a part of why we suck now. We were going to suck now if we had saban or bellichek out there probably. But 1-20 is 1-20. thats historically bad. even with a paucity of talent teams in the nfl dont go 1-20
Disagree for the most part...
- Hue's is compounding our lack of Offensive talent.
- Should things get worse fast, then a Gregg Williams audition as an interim HC is a viable option. The only question would be who takes the OC role. Al Saunders would seem the likeliest candidate.
- 5 wins the rest of the way secures his job... likely will take fewer than 5.
I do agree that there will be lots of HC "options out there" after the season... most of them worse.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
werent we just predicting a 4-6 win season based upon all that new talent?????.....I do belive that was the consensus........now///suddenly....our roster is worse than the Jets and 49'ers and this is whats expected?......in year 2 of the build?.....
Hell, I was predicting one or 2 wins last year and taking grief for my negativity....told "no way".....then it changed to "of course they're gonna lose, its the plan".....NEXT year we'll start the climb.....and now?.....after 2 record setting drafts(in terms of picks) we still suck so bad we cant beat the worst teams out there?.....
Hahahahaha///////fire em all
...in year 2 of the build?
Year 1... don't make me tell you again...
It was the ridiculous Hue redzone plan that failed them terribly. He is just flat awful.
Nothing was wrong with either the Option left call or the roll right call. It was the execution that sucked.
The pitch was too far in front of Crow when his clearest path was to the corner. It would not have been a walk-in, but with a sprint and a dive Crow had a good chance of scoring.
And the rollout pass to the other GL... it just wasn't there. That ball cannot be thrown. The 2ndary target flowing with the play deeper in the endzone also looked to be covered. Only Louis (I believe) who was crossing against the flow looked to be coming open. But if the read never gets that far, then you either tuck it and run it, or throw it away.
One other comment... it's not as if we have a ton of redzone game experience this season. It's a sad factor, but it's a factor.
- Question: Did Hogan outplay Kizer today? MHO the answer is clearly yes.
- So, what does that tell me as a season ticket holder? Winning means nothing this year? AGAIN?
- & you've got a HOF LT, so let's confuse 'em by running right.
- Yes... Hogan did... barely. But not by enough is MHO...
- Yes... nothing... again. Not in the grand scheme.
- Yes... right. Over our strongest OG and better runblocking OT. I love Joe, but a roadgrader he ain't. But the real issue here is Hue changing his mind... and burning a TO. You kick the FG there. At home you play for the tie at that point in the game.
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The same stupid people have been saying the same stupid Sheet for 30 years
How much more of a chance does Hue need TC? Question: Did Hogan outplay Kizer today? MHO the answer is clearly yes. So, what does that tell me as a season ticket holder? Winning means nothing this year? AGAIN?
Me and Mud are in total agreement Kizer needs to sit. Unfortunately, we just blew our best chance at a win today. LOL, we were discussing if there's ever been a 0-0 tie in the NFL. That's how inept the Browns offense looked in the first half.
Today, I saw a head coach / offensive coordinator get the ball on the 6ish yard line for 1st and goal. Then I saw that coach not put his best offensive player (Duke) on the field for any of the upcoming 3 plays, and rather than try to slam the thing in with his 2nd best RB (Crow), he elected to go with an oh-so-tricky, high school like QB option which of course turned into a fumble.
So instead of putting your team's chances on your best players' backs ("elite" Oline <LMAO> and Duke), you instead put it on a 21yr old QB (who has played like whoreshit all year) and a half blind RB who needs a hole the size of an elephant to be productive.
Then repeat the above a couple of more times..... today the HC/OC snatched defeat from the jaws of victory............ in over his head.
& you've got a HOF LT, so let's confuse 'em by running right.
How much more of a chance does Hue need TC? Question: Did Hogan outplay Kizer today? MHO the answer is clearly yes. So, what does that tell me as a season ticket holder? Winning means nothing this year? AGAIN?
Me and Mud are in total agreement Kizer needs to sit. Unfortunately, we just blew our best chance at a win today. LOL, we were discussing if there's ever been a 0-0 tie in the NFL. That's how inept the Browns offense looked in the first half.
& you've got a HOF LT, so let's confuse 'em by running right.
I think he gets three years regardless. I keep coming back to this article, which is filled with Haslam quotes that pertain to this very situation.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/07/jimmy_haslam_doesnt_know_what.html
The plan was a multi-year rebuild. Haslam knew what he was getting into.
Winning means nothing, you’re right. Like I said before, they couldn’t give less of a flying Shmuck about the fact you’re a season ticket holder or what you want from this team. You don’t renew...so what? There will be a different pair of cheeks in your seat next year.
Best case scenario, we start Hogan and we beat the Jags, Titans, Chargers, Texans and steal the last game from Pittsburgh because they’ve either rested their starters or Ben is hurt. What does 5 wins get us at the end of the year? Picking at #5 or #6 in the draft? Cool, I’d rather win 2 this year and get one of the top two prospects available. As it stands right now, that lands us either Darnold or Barkley - which is fine with me.
The focal point of 2017 was never winning. It was about finding clear holes in our roster and letting our foundational players get live reps. It’s been said ad nauseum - we have the youngest, most inexperienced roster in the NFL and yet we are a few plays from being a 3-win team. It’s not even close to the end of the world.
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Hue is done. He is the worst game day head coach the Browns have had..... and that's saying a mouth full.
If you're a dude who has lost 20 of his last 21 under Hue, you honestly can't tell me that you'd still be buying in..... He's done, and today was painfully obvious of that.
I can't go as far as done, but I am moving in that direction... slowly. I do think "buying in" is a key phrase... although not in the sense I think you used it.
Hue has to be getting analytics in his scouting reports. Reports not only on the upcoming opponent, but also on his Offense. And I cannot imagine that the report this week did not say, "Crow is more effective in the I-formation or singleback with the QB under Center. And the QB is more effective when Crow is effective." We saw both were true early.
And as the game wore on... Hue went away from the report. Despite the absence of any scoreboard rationale this week... Hue went away from the report.
For contrast look at O'Brian's discipline in using his rookie QB.
dont see the point of firing him mid season though and going with an interim. Barring hue going something like 5-6 the rest of the way he's probably gone, and thats ok. There will be lots f options out there.
I dont think hue is a part of why we suck now. We were going to suck now if we had saban or bellichek out there probably. But 1-20 is 1-20. thats historically bad. even with a paucity of talent teams in the nfl dont go 1-20
Disagree for the most part...
- Hue's is compounding our lack of Offensive talent.
- Should things get worse fast, then a Gregg Williams audition as an interim HC is a viable option. The only question would be who takes the OC role. Al Saunders would seem the likeliest candidate.
- 5 wins the rest of the way secures his job... likely will take fewer than 5.
I do agree that there will be lots of HC "options out there" after the season... most of them worse.
I can't go as far as done, but I am moving in that direction... slowly. I do think "buying in" is a key phrase... although not in the sense I think you used it.
Hue has to be getting analytics in his scouting reports. Reports not only on the upcoming opponent, but also on his Offense. And I cannot imagine that the report this week did not say, "Crow is more effective in the I-formation or singleback with the QB under Center. And the QB is more effective when Crow is effective." We saw both were true early.
And as the game wore on... Hue went away from the report. Despite the absence of any scoreboard rationale this week... Hue went away from the report.
For contrast look at O'Brian's discipline in using his rookie QB.
Disagree for the most part...
- Hue's is compounding our lack of Offensive talent.
- Should things get worse fast, then a Gregg Williams audition as an interim HC is a viable option. The only question would be who takes the OC role. Al Saunders would seem the likeliest candidate.
- 5 wins the rest of the way secures his job... likely will take fewer than 5.
I do agree that there will be lots of HC "options out there" after the season... most of them worse.
I don’t think Hue really cares about Crow’s strengths. I don’t see Crow being a part of this team next year. Hue seemingly wants to run the ball out of the gun this year and beyond, I’d rather have the OL get acclimated to zone blocking this year than have Crow perform slightly better for his last year.
I am a big proponent of molding your offense to your players strengths, except for when that player probably won’t be here.
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