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  • domcucch1994 D
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    D domcucch1994 wrote on last edited by
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    Still early to say, but the numbers don't lie

    Kizer thru 5 games - 50% completion pct. 851 yards, 3TDs 9INTs

    Watson thru 5 games- 62% completion pct. 1,072 yards, 12TDs, 4INTs

    Maybe passing on this guy was a bad idea after all..

    Factory of Sadness continues..

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    • D domcucch1994

      Still early to say, but the numbers don't lie

      Kizer thru 5 games - 50% completion pct. 851 yards, 3TDs 9INTs

      Watson thru 5 games- 62% completion pct. 1,072 yards, 12TDs, 4INTs

      Maybe passing on this guy was a bad idea after all..

      Factory of Sadness continues..

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      tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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      @domcucch1994 said:

      Still early to say, but the numbers don't lie

      Kizer thru 5 games - 50% completion pct. 851 yards, 3TDs 9INTs

      Watson thru 5 games- 62% completion pct. 1,072 yards, 12TDs, 4INTs

      Maybe passing on this guy was a bad idea after all..

      Factory of Sadness continues..

      Kizer - Duke, Njoku and Kasen Williams

      Watson - Lamar, Hopkins, Miller & Fuller  

      Deshaun is exceeding what I expected out of him.   But let's not ignore the quality of his supporting case relative to our own.  

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        @domcucch1994 said:

        Still early to say, but the numbers don't lie

        Kizer thru 5 games - 50% completion pct. 851 yards, 3TDs 9INTs

        Watson thru 5 games- 62% completion pct. 1,072 yards, 12TDs, 4INTs

        Maybe passing on this guy was a bad idea after all..

        Factory of Sadness continues..

        Kizer - Duke, Njoku and Kasen Williams

        Watson - Lamar, Hopkins, Miller & Fuller  

        Deshaun is exceeding what I expected out of him.   But let's not ignore the quality of his supporting case relative to our own.  

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        Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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        @tiamat63 said:

        Kizer - Duke, Njoku and Kasen Williams

        Watson - Lamar, Hopkins, Miller & Fuller  

        Deshaun is exceeding what I expected out of him.   But let's not ignore the quality of his supporting case relative to our own.  

        Wait, you mean football is a team sport and that individual performances are almost equally as reliant on the teammates surrounding you? 

        Get this new age analytic phooey out of here

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          Still early to say, but the numbers don't lie

          Kizer thru 5 games - 50% completion pct. 851 yards, 3TDs 9INTs

          Watson thru 5 games- 62% completion pct. 1,072 yards, 12TDs, 4INTs

          Maybe passing on this guy was a bad idea after all..

          Factory of Sadness continues..

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          @domcucch1994 said:

          Still early to say, but the numbers don't lie

          Kizer thru 5 games - 50% completion pct. 851 yards, 3TDs 9INTs

          Watson thru 5 games- 62% completion pct. 1,072 yards, 12TDs, 4INTs

          Interesting comparison but numbers can be deceptive or skewed, what would Watson do in Kizer's starts and vice versa. Some good quarterbacks didn't have exactly eye popping numbers.

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            W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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            Again Houston and Dallas were good teams with a glaring hole at quarterback so a guy that doesn't suck out loud will make the entire team look better.

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              Camp Watson was about 2 guys deep all offseason and now everyone is his biggest fan. Lol.

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                Time to dig up rg3 rookie stats?

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                  C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                  Seriously? How many weeks have we spent throwing shoes at the wall next to the tv over all the drops? Some of these throws are garbage, no doubt....but mist of those drops are finger high. I mean cmon, we really dont know who kizer is because of the incompetence of this receiving corp

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                    One has been a champion in HS and college. One hasn't.

                    Also, very interesting that each of their college coaches had polar opposite opinions on their draft status as well.

                    Kelly "he needed to stay in school at least another year and develop on and off the field"

                    Sweeney "you pass on Deshaun Watson, you're passing on Michael Jordan"

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                      Seriously? How many weeks have we spent throwing shoes at the wall next to the tv over all the drops? Some of these throws are garbage, no doubt....but mist of those drops are finger high. I mean cmon, we really dont know who kizer is because of the incompetence of this receiving corp

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                      jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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                      @clevfan4life said:

                      Seriously? How many weeks have we spent throwing shoes at the wall next to the tv over all the drops? Some of these throws are garbage, no doubt....but mist of those drops are finger high. I mean cmon, we really dont know who kizer is because of the incompetence of this receiving corp

                      I was on this bandwagon too but they seem to catch Hogans passes just fine. 

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                        @domcucch1994 said:

                        Still early to say, but the numbers don't lie

                        Kizer thru 5 games - 50% completion pct. 851 yards, 3TDs 9INTs

                        Watson thru 5 games- 62% completion pct. 1,072 yards, 12TDs, 4INTs

                        Maybe passing on this guy was a bad idea after all..

                        Factory of Sadness continues..

                        Kizer - Duke, Njoku and Kasen Williams

                        Watson - Lamar, Hopkins, Miller & Fuller  

                        Deshaun is exceeding what I expected out of him.   But let's not ignore the quality of his supporting case relative to our own.  

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                        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                        @tiamat63 said:

                        Kizer - Duke, Njoku and Kasen Williams

                        Watson - Lamar, Hopkins, Miller & Fuller  

                        Deshaun is exceeding what I expected out of him.   But let's not ignore the quality of his supporting case relative to our own.  

                        Ding ding ding ding

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                          @clevfan4life said:

                          Seriously? How many weeks have we spent throwing shoes at the wall next to the tv over all the drops? Some of these throws are garbage, no doubt....but mist of those drops are finger high. I mean cmon, we really dont know who kizer is because of the incompetence of this receiving corp

                          I was on this bandwagon too but they seem to catch Hogans passes just fine. 

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                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                          @jcam222 said:

                          I was on this bandwagon too but they seem to catch Hogans passes just fine. 

                          Except for that pick, right?

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                            @jcam222 said:

                            I was on this bandwagon too but they seem to catch Hogans passes just fine. 

                            Except for that pick, right?

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                            StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on last edited by
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                            @mld-woody said:

                            Except for that pick, right?

                            No, that pick was caught just fine too.

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              Except for that pick, right?

                              No, that pick was caught just fine too.

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                              @stinkhole said:

                              No, that pick was caught just fine too.

                              Hogan was hit as that ball was released. It still got to the receiver- just a bit high, an erratic pass that was 'tough' to catch, tipped to a trailing defender... sounds a bit like Kizer's normal passes. Receivers must anticipate and correct for the passes trajectory, if it's coming in hot and off target, it leads to drops. case and point.

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                                PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by
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                                Go actually 'play catch' with somebody. Out of ten people you 'play catch' with, 10 people will throw the ball differently. Out of those 10 people throwing the ball to you, one of them will throw you the most catchable ball and one will throw passes to you that are hard to catch. Try it sometime. Not all throws are created equal, measured in MPH or velocity of the spin on the ball when it makes contact with your hands. These guys are great pass catchers. They have been catching balls for most of their lives most likely, it's how they make a living... if so many players are having difficulty bringing in Kizer's passes- doesn't that tell you something about the way he throws the ball or maybe the angle of release, something? 

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                                  Go actually 'play catch' with somebody. Out of ten people you 'play catch' with, 10 people will throw the ball differently. Out of those 10 people throwing the ball to you, one of them will throw you the most catchable ball and one will throw passes to you that are hard to catch. Try it sometime. Not all throws are created equal, measured in MPH or velocity of the spin on the ball when it makes contact with your hands. These guys are great pass catchers. They have been catching balls for most of their lives most likely, it's how they make a living... if so many players are having difficulty bringing in Kizer's passes- doesn't that tell you something about the way he throws the ball or maybe the angle of release, something? 

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                                  @poeticg said:

                                  Go actually 'play catch' with somebody. Out of ten people you 'play catch' with, 10 people will throw the ball differently. Out of those 10 people throwing the ball to you, one of them will throw you the most catchable ball and one will throw passes to you that are hard to catch. Try it sometime. Not all throws are created equal, measured in MPH or velocity of the spin on the ball when it makes contact with your hands. These guys are great pass catchers. They have been catching balls for most of their lives most likely, it's how they make a living... if so many players are having difficulty bringing in Kizer's passes- doesn't that tell you something about the way he throws the ball or maybe the angle of release, something? 

                                  Yeah. I do think there’s something to that. 

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                                    One has been a champion in HS and college. One hasn't.

                                    Also, very interesting that each of their college coaches had polar opposite opinions on their draft status as well.

                                    Kelly "he needed to stay in school at least another year and develop on and off the field"

                                    Sweeney "you pass on Deshaun Watson, you're passing on Michael Jordan"

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                                    @sd_tom said:

                                    One has been a champion in HS and college. One hasn't.

                                    Also, very interesting that each of their college coaches had polar opposite opinions on their draft status as well.

                                    Kelly "he needed to stay in school at least another year and develop on and off the field"

                                    Sweeney "you pass on Deshaun Watson, you're passing on Michael Jordan"

                                    So you think Watson is the second greatest player in history of the game? Please mr. Sweeney...

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                                      @stinkhole said:

                                      No, that pick was caught just fine too.

                                      Hogan was hit as that ball was released. It still got to the receiver- just a bit high, an erratic pass that was 'tough' to catch, tipped to a trailing defender... sounds a bit like Kizer's normal passes. Receivers must anticipate and correct for the passes trajectory, if it's coming in hot and off target, it leads to drops. case and point.

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                                      gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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                                      @poeticg said:

                                      Receivers must anticipate and correct for the passes trajectory, if it's coming in hot and off target, it leads to our players tipping than other team picking..

                                      fixed...if we count them in 3 seasons, not another team close

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                                        Kizer blows. Let's not forget that.

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                                          Kizer blows. Let's not forget that.

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                                          @ghoolie said:

                                          Kizer blows. Let's not forget that.

                                          Is there anyone on the team that doesn't blow? Seriously, this is about as bad a team as I've ever seen in the NFL. I may not be some football geek expert but I've never seen a worse overall team from top to bottom, both sides of the ball. 

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