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  • D BoneD D Bone

    @wargograw said:

    Aaaand that’s why we suck

    Yep, that's why..... It has nothing to do with the players, coaches and FO..... It's all because of the fans..... Yep, that's why we suck. 

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    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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    @d-bone said:

    Yep, that's why..... It has nothing to do with the players, coaches and FO..... It's all because of the fans..... Yep, that's why we suck. 

    At least you’re starting to recognize it now

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      Hire a President of football ops and let him hire the gm and coach

      and make sure the President is a FOOTBALL guy

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      tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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      @browns149 said:

      Hire a President of football ops and let him hire the gm and coach

      and make sure the President is a FOOTBALL guy

      I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

      Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

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        Who is out there that would be an upgrade as coach & GM? No " Anyone but these guys". Legit question.

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        RichiswhereR Richiswhere wrote on last edited by Richiswhere
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        @dawgs89 said:

        Who is out there that would be an upgrade as coach & GM? No " Anyone but these guys". Legit question.

        Come on man your about to be 1 and 21 you have to keep trying 

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          @d-bone said:

          Yep, that's why..... It has nothing to do with the players, coaches and FO..... It's all because of the fans..... Yep, that's why we suck. 

          At least you’re starting to recognize it now

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          D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by D Bone
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          @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

          At least you’re starting to recognize it now

          Yep, it figures you'd believe that..... Not surprised one bit...... Keep on trusting the process. 

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            Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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            They need someone that can evaluate talent.  

            Is regime though Wentz wasnt a top 20 Qb 

            "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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            • D BoneD D Bone

              @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

              At least you’re starting to recognize it now

              Yep, it figures you'd believe that..... Not surprised one bit...... Keep on trusting the process. 

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              nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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              @d-bone said:

              Yep, it figures you'd believe that..... Not surprised one bit. 

              Millenials historically never take responsibility for anything.. You oughta know that by now...

              Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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                @dawgs89 said:

                Who is out there that would be an upgrade as coach & GM? No " Anyone but these guys". Legit question.

                Come on man your about to be 1 and 21 you have to keep trying 

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                Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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                @richiswhere said:

                Come on man your about to be 1 and 21 you have to keep trying 

                Exactly

                "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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                  @d-bone said:

                  Yep, it figures you'd believe that..... Not surprised one bit. 

                  Millenials historically never take responsibility for anything.. You oughta know that by now...

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                  Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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                  @nickers said:

                  Millenials historically never take responsibility for anything.. You oughta know that by now...

                  And old fat people have a hard time getting erections, what’s your point?

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                    @browns149 said:

                    Hire a President of football ops and let him hire the gm and coach

                    and make sure the President is a FOOTBALL guy

                    I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

                    Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

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                    Harry BuffaloH Harry Buffalo wrote on last edited by
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                    @tiamat63 said:

                    I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

                    Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

                    I will give him the benifit of the doubt considering he has been injured and he came into the league without any real injury history. But seriously, as much as this FO has sucked (I like alot of the picks, but completely dismantling the roster by itself if firing worthy) and as much as the coaching has sucked, we need to just let them ride it out for at least 1-2 more years. If we EVER was to attact an actual GM or coaching talent to this team, they need to know they won't be fired right off the bat, which we currently can't do, because the owner has a history of firing people right off the bat. 

                    Ruining threads since 1897.
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                      @tiamat63 said:

                      I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

                      Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

                      I will give him the benifit of the doubt considering he has been injured and he came into the league without any real injury history. But seriously, as much as this FO has sucked (I like alot of the picks, but completely dismantling the roster by itself if firing worthy) and as much as the coaching has sucked, we need to just let them ride it out for at least 1-2 more years. If we EVER was to attact an actual GM or coaching talent to this team, they need to know they won't be fired right off the bat, which we currently can't do, because the owner has a history of firing people right off the bat. 

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                      Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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                      @harry-buffalo said:

                      I will give him the benifit of the doubt considering he has been injured and he came into the league without any real injury history. But seriously, as much as this FO has sucked (I like alot of the picks, but completely dismantling the roster by itself if firing worthy) and as much as the coaching has sucked, we need to just let them ride it out for at least 1-2 more years. If we EVER was to attact an actual GM or coaching talent to this team, they need to know they won't be fired right off the bat, which we currently can't do, because the owner has a history of firing people right off the bat. 

                      If theses people are here for another 2 years, I will not be a fan anymore.

                      I don’t care about the Jimmy firing machine. This experiment HAS  NOT WORKED AT ALL. Keeping these guys around after this year is useless and pointless. They will not get any better with non football people picking the players.

                      "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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                      • Harry BuffaloH Harry Buffalo

                        @tiamat63 said:

                        I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

                        Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

                        I will give him the benifit of the doubt considering he has been injured and he came into the league without any real injury history. But seriously, as much as this FO has sucked (I like alot of the picks, but completely dismantling the roster by itself if firing worthy) and as much as the coaching has sucked, we need to just let them ride it out for at least 1-2 more years. If we EVER was to attact an actual GM or coaching talent to this team, they need to know they won't be fired right off the bat, which we currently can't do, because the owner has a history of firing people right off the bat. 

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                        tinythinkerT tinythinker wrote on last edited by
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                        @harry-buffalo said:

                        [W]e need to just let them ride it out for at least 1-2 more years. If we EVER was to attact an actual GM or coaching talent to this team, they need to know they won't be fired right off the bat, which we currently can't do, because the owner has a history of firing people right off the bat. 

                        One more. That sends the message that you'll get a fair chance (three drafts, three seasons) to show how your process is working but if you can't show real progress in that time (better than 0 to 3 wins per season) you're done. I just can't see the owner waiting two more.

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                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                          Ah, yes. Blow it up again. Blow it up every year. Shmuck it. They got enough time....

                          This was the first REAL rebuild we've done in a while. We started from scratch. It was going to take a while. That should have been obvious.

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                            Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                            I miss the good old days of 3-4 wins a year.

                            Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
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                              I miss the good old days of 3-4 wins a year.

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                              @canton-dawg said:

                              I miss the good old days of 3-4 wins a year.

                              Hallowed times for sure. Like once a season we'd scare some powerhouse for a couple quarters before the collected themselves and realized who they were playing. Glory days for sure......need some nfl films music just thinking about it

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                                @nickers said:

                                Millenials historically never take responsibility for anything.. You oughta know that by now...

                                And old fat people have a hard time getting erections, what’s your point?

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                                DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

                                And old fat people have a hard time getting erections, what’s your point?

                                You're young and a fat butt, plus can't get an erection (or a girl), that must really suck!

                                "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                  jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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                                  I was waiting on this topic to arrive, and I didn't have to wait very long.  

                                  Now that I've calmed down a little from yet another embarrassing failure, I have the ability to calmly comment on a Browns thread without losing my mind and telling the entire organization to kill themselves.  That being said, I hate them.  When CBS reported very early that Hue Jackson texted Deshaun Watson on the day of the draft and told him to "be ready", I almost lost it.  Imagine how fun it would be to watch a young man like that.  Imagine how fun it would be to have a rookie QB setting records.  Let yourself think about the actual enjoyment of football instead of the weekly circus we are subjected to.  The Texans' QB last year had a total of 16 or 17 TDs all year, so their offense was NOT very good.  Watson now has a combined 17 or so through FIVE EFFING GAMES.  

                                  You can bet your rear-end that members of the press are going to be asking about what CBS reported, and you can bet that Hue Jackson is going to get really ticked off.  Obviously we don't know what happened on draft day, but if our front office traded the pick and Hue literally thought we were getting Watson, then it's over.  Hue will either leave or get fired because no coach can handle that, and I wouldn't blame Hue one bit.  Try and imagine Watson playing in the offense Hue Jackson likes to run.  The mobile QB plays, the read-option stuff, the deep throwing...it's everything Watson excels at.  And what's more, Watson is tremendous in the red zone.  For starters, he doesn't throw it to the wrong team, and that really helps in football I'm told.  Yeah, he threw a pick 6, but who cares?  He didn't need to be careful.  He probably should've had two pick-6's, but Hopkins made a great play on the ball.  

                                  This front office whiffed on Carson Wentz, and then they whiffed on Deshaun Watson.  We all know how tortured our franchise is by the QB position, and we traded back TWICE now and have gotten next to nothing on our return.  If YOU were the owner, would you let those clowns keep their jobs?  Would you be willing to give them a pass when the player to pick is right in front of your face and you continue to screw it up?  THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS A QB.  Like, literally.  Nothing else matters.  When Hue was brought in, he said that his biggest job was to get the QB situation figured out.  We are now almost a season and half into this new debacle, and we are NOWHERE CLOSE to having a single thing figured out, and I can't take much more.  

                                  I don't know if "firing everyone" is the answer, but I have to tell you, I can't believe the front office will keep their jobs if we don't have the right QB in place by the end of the year.   I can't stand this, and neither can anybody else. 

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                                    flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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                                    Ok, so who gets the pitchforks and who gets the torches? 

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                                      @browns149 said:

                                      Hire a President of football ops and let him hire the gm and coach

                                      and make sure the President is a FOOTBALL guy

                                      I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

                                      Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

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                                      gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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                                      @tiamat63 said:

                                      I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

                                      Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

                                      X Panthers GM- David Getelman..and i can do without 2nd hand trade down picks & if SB needs to go to do it..hit the door..Getelman can evaluate Hue rest of season..this plan only works if your willing to get off your 70M cap & winning is not there plan..don't care what they say.. they are a embarrassment to the uniform..  

                                      Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson
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                                        Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                                        I'm having a hard time jumping on the WE SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED WATSON bandwagon when the person suggesting it admits Watson should have thrown TWO pick sixes against the Browns.

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                                        • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

                                          Ok, so who gets the pitchforks and who gets the torches? 

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                                          Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                                          @flyingfooldoug said:

                                          Ok, so who gets the pitchforks and who gets the torches? 

                                          Trump supporters in Charlottesville? 😆

                                          Sorry, too easy....

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