They ALL must go
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Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
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Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
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This.
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I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
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This.
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This.
2nd this. If these idiots get to pick the 5 picks in the first 2 rounds next year. WE ARE SCREWED
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Nah dude I haven’t seen them. Just spent 6 hours in the car to see them in person today.
We will in 2018. Try growing balls and waiting. Lottery player.
Hahahahahaha! Man, and I'm pissed at myself for buying the NFL Sunday Ticket in which the Browns only share in 1/32 of the money.......
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! Yep, the Browns will go from 1-31 to 11-5 in 2018 if we all can just wait....... Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
Hahahahahaha! Man, and I'm pissed at myself for buying the NFL Sunday Ticket in which the Browns only share in 1/32 of the money.......
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! Yep, the Browns will go from 1-31 to 11-5 in 2018 if we all can just wait....... Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
Yeah, I’m surprised you didn’t spend that money on lottery tickets, booze, and other wastes. If you approach life the way you do the Browns it must be pretty rough.
Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
Dude. No. We have too large a sample size of failed head coaches and GMs for it to merely be a hiring issue.
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I would rather see Peyton Manning and whoever he hires make those picks then the fools we have here now
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Then how did many other teams (Lions, Bucs, Saints, Texans, etc) use traditional means to get out of the dumpster if it is that method that is the problem and not those delivering it?
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Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
That's the rub.
A valid argument against blowing things up so soon is that rebuilding takes time (and that no one good wants to be working under a hair trigger so staying the course is a sign that some future FO would get a fair shake).
A valid argument for blowing thing up (yet again) is that the wrong people are in charge of rebuilding and waiting to pull the trigger is just wasted time and money (but again, who among those that might be the "right" people would want to come in under these circumstances to start another rebuilding project? Who is both good enough to make a difference and willing to work for the Browns organization?)
Both perspectives are compelling in their own way.
Other options include: a partial blow-up, patching the rebuilding machine, new owner, and new city.
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Then how did many other teams (Lions, Bucs, Saints, Texans, etc) use traditional means to get out of the dumpster if it is that method that is the problem and not those delivering it?
Then how did many other teams (Lions, Bucs, Saints, Texans, etc) use traditional means to get out of the dumpster if it is that method that is the problem and not those delivering it?
What happened to Rod Marinelli when the Lions went 0-16?
He got s hitcanned, he didn’t get another year.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
That's the rub.
A valid argument against blowing things up so soon is that rebuilding takes time (and that no one good wants to be working under a hair trigger so staying the course is a sign that some future FO would get a fair shake).
A valid argument for blowing thing up (yet again) is that the wrong people are in charge of rebuilding and waiting to pull the trigger is just wasted time and money (but again, who among those that might be the "right" people would want to come in under these circumstances to start another rebuilding project? Who is both good enough to make a difference and willing to work for the Browns organization?)
Both perspectives are compelling in their own way.
Other options include: a partial blow-up, patching the rebuilding machine, new owner, and new city.
That's the rub.
A valid argument against blowing things up so soon is that rebuilding takes time (and that no one good wants to be working under a hair trigger so staying the course is a sign that some future FO would get a fair shake).
A valid argument for blowing thing up (yet again) is that the wrong people are in charge of rebuilding and waiting to pull the trigger is just wasted time and money (but again, who among those that might be the "right" people would want to come in under these circumstances to start another rebuilding project? Who is both good enough to make a difference and willing to work for the Browns organization?)
Both perspectives are compelling in their own way.
Other options include: a partial blow-up, patching the rebuilding machine, new owner, and new city.
Correct, the FO can’t draft worth a dam, and by letting them continue to draft, is just kicking the same can down the road.
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Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
That's the rub.
A valid argument against blowing things up so soon is that rebuilding takes time (and that no one good wants to be working under a hair trigger so staying the course is a sign that some future FO would get a fair shake).
A valid argument for blowing thing up (yet again) is that the wrong people are in charge of rebuilding and waiting to pull the trigger is just wasted time and money (but again, who among those that might be the "right" people would want to come in under these circumstances to start another rebuilding project? Who is both good enough to make a difference and willing to work for the Browns organization?)
Both perspectives are compelling in their own way.
Other options include: a partial blow-up, patching the rebuilding machine, new owner, and new city.
That's the rub.
A valid argument against blowing things up so soon is that rebuilding takes time (and that no one good wants to be working under a hair trigger so staying the course is a sign that some future FO would get a fair shake).
A valid argument for blowing thing up (yet again) is that the wrong people are in charge of rebuilding and waiting to pull the trigger is just wasted time and money (but again, who among those that might be the "right" people would want to come in under these circumstances to start another rebuilding project? Who is both good enough to make a difference and willing to work for the Browns organization?)
Both perspectives are compelling in their own way.
Other options include: a partial blow-up, patching the rebuilding machine, new owner, and new city.
Well we all know the WRONG people are in charge
we have lawyers and baseball people running and NFL TEAM
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Then how did many other teams (Lions, Bucs, Saints, Texans, etc) use traditional means to get out of the dumpster if it is that method that is the problem and not those delivering it?
What happened to Rod Marinelli when the Lions went 0-16?
He got s hitcanned, he didn’t get another year.
What happened to Rod Marinelli when the Lions went 0-16?
He got s hitcanned, he didn’t get another year.
That is my point for sure. The Lions were brought back from that all time low using the traditional methods.
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This isn’t the Supreme Court and this isn’t MLB
HIRE AN NFL EXECUTIVE
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Hey guys. You gotta be fair here. All my calls over the past 2 years to fire the entire FO and coaching staff enraged you guys to the point of tearing me to shreds.
Kind of ironic that you are now here espousing the same exact things you called me a troll for saying.
I honestly could never inderstand how any of you could believe this team was on the right track.
How does one even get upset with this team? Who really cares any more?
Win one for Ghoolie's Mom? It would have been a hell of a win. We deserve better than this.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
I’ve spent the last 19 years of giving my money for season tickets
This as is bad as it has ever been. NOT EVEN CLOSE
Of course it was. That was their point. Sorry you can’t see what they’re doing.
Of course it was. That was their point. Sorry you can’t see what they’re doing.
What are they doing?
The worst team in the world is not a goal
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Hey guys. You gotta be fair here. All my calls over the past 2 years to fire the entire FO and coaching staff enraged you guys to the point of tearing me to shreds.
Kind of ironic that you are now here espousing the same exact things you called me a troll for saying.
I honestly could never inderstand how any of you could believe this team was on the right track.
How does one even get upset with this team? Who really cares any more?
Win one for Ghoolie's Mom? It would have been a hell of a win. We deserve better than this.
Hey guys. You gotta be fair here. All my calls over the past 2 years to fire the entire FO and coaching staff enraged you guys to the point of tearing me to shreds.
Kind of ironic that you are now here espousing the same exact things you called me a troll for saying.
I honestly could never inderstand how any of you could believe this team was on the right track.
How does one even get upset with this team? Who really cares any more?
Win one for Ghoolie's Mom? It would have been a hell of a win. We deserve better than this.
Sometimes it's all in the presentation
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Unlike Duhoolie and several other self anointed 'Football Gods' here, I don't pretend to know how to fix the worst franchise in all of professional sports.... I just know that it is broken and I can no longer take watching it.
I gave it 21 games (last week) before I broke, and I know in my heart that they won't be any better over the next 21 games with all of the same dudes running the organization....... both off and on the field.
Will they be better if they make changes - be them wholesale or not? Hell, I won't beat my chest and tell you 'how great I am' with an answer, cause I sure as s h i t don't know any more than you guys do.
We all deserve better, and those 53 dudes on the field and countless others both on the sidelines and behind the scenes owe it to all of us...... F U C K T H E M A L L
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It seems to me that we are getting worse each week, not better. I really don't think anybody on this team even cares what they do, win or lose.
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We have the worst collection of talent. Coached by some of the dumbest coaches of all time.
other then that. Trust the process
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If it makes you feel any better, Michigan fans are up in arms over Pep Hamilton and our terrible offense.
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