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  • 33 year old Joe Thomas has got to be worth a late 1st round pick to a LT needy contending team....I hate everyone who wouldn't trade him for that at this point😠 😛

    @jimbojones said:

    33 year old Joe Thomas has got to be worth a late 1st round pick to a LT needy contending team....I hate everyone who wouldn't trade him for that at this point😠 😛

    Joe Thomas deserves better than this crap.. Free Joe Thomas!

  • @marc1971 said:

    Jimmy's the real problem here. I mean apart from him being a Steeler and a crook. When he came in I made my peace with it because I thought it couldn't get worse, now I'm looking back at those Mangini and Pettine years nostalgically because at lease we won a few games back then.

    First order of business is to kick that crook back to Pittsburgh.

    There it is folks. Our fans love going 4-12.

    @wargograw said:

    There it is folks. Our fans love going 4-12.

    I don't love any kind of losing record. But the roster we have now is without doubt the s h i t t i e s t we've had since Browns 2.0 were born.

    It would take an absolute miracle to go 3-13 this year.

    And our current FO is also the worst in the Browns 2.0 era. These people are clueless.

  • Do we all kinda miss Randy Lerner now?

    At least he hired guys who, in theory, should have known what they were doing.

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    Ok, so who gets the pitchforks and who gets the torches? 

    Ha, I worked for Rilly Tar & Chemical back in the day. I recommend RT-8 for a perfect tar & feather when you run them out of town on a rail. ?

    @hoorta said:

    Ha, I worked for Rilly Tar & Chemical back in the day. I recommend RT-8 for a perfect tar & feather when you run them out of town on a rail. ?

    Sounds good. But instead of running him out on a rail, float him out on a boat Viking style???

  • @jcam222 said:

    Sometimes it's all in the presentation 

    Thisbis whu America is in the shitter. The message is less important than the messenger.

    I have listened mindlessly to optimism about the OL, Williams great D, asset management, and on it goes. Every year it is the same thing....by week 8 everyone is basically cutting and pasting my thoughts.

    This really doesnn't please me. For the life of me I do not understand why Browns fans and execs never take the top playmakers and then act surprised when they go 1-15.

    Taking Garrett had to be the single most idiotic pick of the decade.

    Haslam has to be ready to explode.

    @ghoolie said:

    Taking Garrett had to be the single most idiotic pick of the decade.

    Haslam has to be ready to explode.

    Yeah one of the few guys who looks like he could start on other nfl rosters and is leading the team or nearly leading the team in sacks after missing 4-5 games while playing on a bad ankle. That guy is ur big huge mistake?

    U castigate the briwns for not having stayed at their spot and drafted talent. They did that with garrett and now he's one of the defensive leaders and this is what u keep coming back to? Where is the loathing for 2nd and 3rd year players that are literally doing nothing? If u dont think garrett is living up to his pre draft hype thats fine, but he's by far our best player on the DL and he's not anywhere close to 100%

    ghoolie im serious stop talking about garrett. Why? Because as soon as u do u shitcan any valud points u made previously. This garett stuff is really straining ur cred, what little u have with these guys here. Ive told u personally i agree with alot of Sheet u say until u start talking about garrett and then its like does this guy know what football is? Garretts playing football for the clev browns. Some of those guys out there are playing something else, Shmuck if i know what

  • Blow it up again Jimmy.

    This team has very little talent, FO fault

    And they have ZERO discipline. Terrible play calling on BOTH sides of the ball, coaches fault

    If anyone thinks we are heading in the right direction, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!!! 

    0-16 here we come. 

    @browns149 said:

    Blow it up again Jimmy.

    This team has very little talent, FO fault

    And they have ZERO discipline. Terrible play calling on BOTH sides of the ball, coaches fault

    If anyone thinks we are heading in the right direction, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!!! 

    0-16 here we come. 

    If our new look forum had a down vote button, I'd wear it out.

  • @browns149 said:

    Blow it up again Jimmy.

    This team has very little talent, FO fault

    And they have ZERO discipline. Terrible play calling on BOTH sides of the ball, coaches fault

    If anyone thinks we are heading in the right direction, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!!! 

    0-16 here we come. 

    What functionable GM or coach would aspire to work here? That's the big problem you face. There's no point in replacing thrash with more thrash...

    @dawgs89 said:

    What functionable GM or coach would aspire to work here? That's the big problem you face. There's no point in replacing thrash with more thrash...

    none...same with free agents...we get the worse fa's known to man....the only i can remember that was worth a Sheet was some nose tackle we had that i think made the pro bowl...can't remember his name...but then he got hurt and ended up being a fat slob...dang i can't remember his name...that's it...20 yrs of over the hill fa's that were really good for other teams but came here only to collect a paycheck before retiring into the sunset...

  • Shaun Rogers? Came to us from Detroit an was all-pro his first year with us. A couple years later he moved on to NOLA...

  • @browns149 said:

    Blow it up again Jimmy.

    This team has very little talent, FO fault

    And they have ZERO discipline. Terrible play calling on BOTH sides of the ball, coaches fault

    If anyone thinks we are heading in the right direction, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!!! 

    0-16 here we come. 

    If our new look forum had a down vote button, I'd wear it out.

    @tour2ma said:

    If our new look forum had a down vote button, I'd wear it out.

    It has a "confused" button....you could make liberal use of that.

  • @browns149 said:

    Blow it up again Jimmy.

    This team has very little talent, FO fault

    And they have ZERO discipline. Terrible play calling on BOTH sides of the ball, coaches fault

    If anyone thinks we are heading in the right direction, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!!! 

    0-16 here we come. 

    If our new look forum had a down vote button, I'd wear it out.

    @tour2ma said:

    If our new look forum had a down vote button, I'd wear it out.

    Serious question Tour, how many wins you seeing in your Crystal Ball? Agreed, 0-16 is gonna be hard to sink to. But another #1 overall pick is within sight.

  • @tour2ma said:

    If our new look forum had a down vote button, I'd wear it out.

    Serious question Tour, how many wins you seeing in your Crystal Ball? Agreed, 0-16 is gonna be hard to sink to. But another #1 overall pick is within sight.

    @hoorta said:

    Serious question Tour, how many wins you seeing in your Crystal Ball? Agreed, 0-16 is gonna be hard to sink to. But another #1 overall pick is within sight.

    This was the topic on the radio today for my 1 hour commute home.

    The Browns haven’t won a road game in over 2 years, so the most likely scenario would be a home victory.

    However, which opponent would be most likely to be worse than the Browns?

    Would it be an Aaron Rogerless Packers?

    Maybe the Jags? Or a Titan team without Mariota?

  • @tour2ma said:

    If our new look forum had a down vote button, I'd wear it out.

    Serious question Tour, how many wins you seeing in your Crystal Ball? Agreed, 0-16 is gonna be hard to sink to. But another #1 overall pick is within sight.

    @hoorta said:

    Serious question Tour, how many wins you seeing in your Crystal Ball? Agreed, 0-16 is gonna be hard to sink to. But another #1 overall pick is within sight.

    Don't know, h... and given my NFL prognosticating record this year any number I'd come up with would be worthless info.

    What I at least believe I know is that from top to bottom, from Draft picks thru UDFAs thru FAs, this is the best FO we have seen since "the resurrection."

  • Oh look. Ghoolie lied about leaving AGAIN. 

  • Oh look. Ghoolie lied about leaving AGAIN. 

    @wargograw said:

    Oh look. Ghoolie lied about leaving AGAIN. 

    Color me shocked and/or awed.

  • Unfortunately you can't blow this up.  Continuity, even bad, needs to happen.  Next year you evaluate Sashi & Co. and the following year you evaluate Hue & Co..

  • Unfortunately you can't blow this up.  Continuity, even bad, needs to happen.  Next year you evaluate Sashi & Co. and the following year you evaluate Hue & Co..

    @baconhound said:

    Unfortunately you can't blow this up.  Continuity, even bad, needs to happen.  Next year you evaluate Sashi & Co. and the following year you evaluate Hue & Co..

    We all know the front office sucks. The coaching is just as bad. 

    Why wait 3 years? 

  • @baconhound said:

    Unfortunately you can't blow this up.  Continuity, even bad, needs to happen.  Next year you evaluate Sashi & Co. and the following year you evaluate Hue & Co..

    We all know the front office sucks. The coaching is just as bad. 

    Why wait 3 years? 

    @browns149 said:

    We all know the front office sucks. The coaching is just as bad. 

    Why wait 3 years? 

    Unfortunately the reboot button keeps getting hit and the next generation will have low expectations for a year and then in year 2, reboot.

    It pains me to say this but have to ride at least this year and next with Sashi and two more with Hue.

  • @ghoolie said:

    Taking Garrett had to be the single most idiotic pick of the decade.

    Haslam has to be ready to explode.

    Yeah one of the few guys who looks like he could start on other nfl rosters and is leading the team or nearly leading the team in sacks after missing 4-5 games while playing on a bad ankle. That guy is ur big huge mistake?

    U castigate the briwns for not having stayed at their spot and drafted talent. They did that with garrett and now he's one of the defensive leaders and this is what u keep coming back to? Where is the loathing for 2nd and 3rd year players that are literally doing nothing? If u dont think garrett is living up to his pre draft hype thats fine, but he's by far our best player on the DL and he's not anywhere close to 100%

    ghoolie im serious stop talking about garrett. Why? Because as soon as u do u shitcan any valud points u made previously. This garett stuff is really straining ur cred, what little u have with these guys here. Ive told u personally i agree with alot of Sheet u say until u start talking about garrett and then its like does this guy know what football is? Garretts playing football for the clev browns. Some of those guys out there are playing something else, Shmuck if i know what

    @clevfan4life said:

    Yeah one of the few guys who looks like he could start on other nfl rosters and is leading the team or nearly leading the team in sacks after missing 4-5 games while playing ob a bad ankle. That guy is ur big huge mistake?

    U castigate the briwns for not having stayed at their spot and drafted talent. They did that with garrett and now he's one of the defensive leaders and this is what u keep coming back to? Where is the loathing for 2nd and 3rd year players that are literally doing nothing? If u dont think garrett is living up to his pre draft hype thats fine, but he's by far our best player on the DL and he's not anywhere close to 100%

    ghoolie im serious stop talking about garrett. Why? Because as soon as u do u shitcan any valud points u made previously. This garett stuff is really straining ur cred, what little u have with these guys here. Ive told u personally i agree with alot of Sheet u say until u start talking about garrett and then its like does this guy know what football is? Garretts playing football for the clev browns. Some of those guys out there are playing something else, Shmuck if i know what

    Did I EVER say he stinks? Never. What I said was,,,,,He is a monumental, absolutely disastrous waste of a #1 #1 pick.

    Dude, Garret is not a game changer. He is not making any impact on the Browns and he is never going to make an impact on the Browns. Could he one day make a sack that seals a victory for the Browns? So could a  bunch of other DEs that didn't cost a #1 #1. You guys love to talk about managing assets....well, Haslam asks himself the question.............. WHAT DID I GET FOR MY #1  #1????

    Then he looks at Watson and Trubisky, already stinging from Goff and Wentz.........and you think Haslam is happy with wo Tackle Texas? The Bears, Eagles, Rams and Texans have changed the destiny, energy and performance level of their tea m by taking Quarterbacks. Meanwhile the Browns are 0 - 6, 1 - 21 under this jackoff coach, staff and FO.

    You like Garrett.......I get it. You keep saying he is not 100%, what evidence can you provide to support that? Where is he playing? 80%, 90%?????? Dude, you are defending your position with a euphemism.....but gain, I am okay saying he is a good player, he isn't great for sure. Will he ever be? I don't think so, but you do.

    However just like I keep telling you guys, Joe Thomas has not positively affected the Browns destiny in any measurable way shape or form, neither has Myles Garrett. The Browns are as good without him as they are with him. If he died on draft day, the Browns are still 0- 6 and headed toward a lot more losses. The reason Garrett was perhaps the worst pick in Browns histroy, is because even if he realizes his full potential, he will never change the lack of success the team is having. He has merely boarded the Ship of Losetards. He is a bad pick because two other teams got far better return on their investment.

    Dumb dumb dumb pick. But hey........you know better....you can see how this team is getting better and better. Far be it from me to disrupt class. Carry on.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Yeah one of the few guys who looks like he could start on other nfl rosters and is leading the team or nearly leading the team in sacks after missing 4-5 games while playing ob a bad ankle. That guy is ur big huge mistake?

    U castigate the briwns for not having stayed at their spot and drafted talent. They did that with garrett and now he's one of the defensive leaders and this is what u keep coming back to? Where is the loathing for 2nd and 3rd year players that are literally doing nothing? If u dont think garrett is living up to his pre draft hype thats fine, but he's by far our best player on the DL and he's not anywhere close to 100%

    ghoolie im serious stop talking about garrett. Why? Because as soon as u do u shitcan any valud points u made previously. This garett stuff is really straining ur cred, what little u have with these guys here. Ive told u personally i agree with alot of Sheet u say until u start talking about garrett and then its like does this guy know what football is? Garretts playing football for the clev browns. Some of those guys out there are playing something else, Shmuck if i know what

    Did I EVER say he stinks? Never. What I said was,,,,,He is a monumental, absolutely disastrous waste of a #1 #1 pick.

    Dude, Garret is not a game changer. He is not making any impact on the Browns and he is never going to make an impact on the Browns. Could he one day make a sack that seals a victory for the Browns? So could a  bunch of other DEs that didn't cost a #1 #1. You guys love to talk about managing assets....well, Haslam asks himself the question.............. WHAT DID I GET FOR MY #1  #1????

    Then he looks at Watson and Trubisky, already stinging from Goff and Wentz.........and you think Haslam is happy with wo Tackle Texas? The Bears, Eagles, Rams and Texans have changed the destiny, energy and performance level of their tea m by taking Quarterbacks. Meanwhile the Browns are 0 - 6, 1 - 21 under this jackoff coach, staff and FO.

    You like Garrett.......I get it. You keep saying he is not 100%, what evidence can you provide to support that? Where is he playing? 80%, 90%?????? Dude, you are defending your position with a euphemism.....but gain, I am okay saying he is a good player, he isn't great for sure. Will he ever be? I don't think so, but you do.

    However just like I keep telling you guys, Joe Thomas has not positively affected the Browns destiny in any measurable way shape or form, neither has Myles Garrett. The Browns are as good without him as they are with him. If he died on draft day, the Browns are still 0- 6 and headed toward a lot more losses. The reason Garrett was perhaps the worst pick in Browns histroy, is because even if he realizes his full potential, he will never change the lack of success the team is having. He has merely boarded the Ship of Losetards. He is a bad pick because two other teams got far better return on their investment.

    Dumb dumb dumb pick. But hey........you know better....you can see how this team is getting better and better. Far be it from me to disrupt class. Carry on.

    @ghoolie said:

    You keep saying he is not 100%, what evidence can you provide to support that?

    Umm well most people could see the limping in the 1st game. The limited reps spoke for themselves. But i also went "in depth" into his altered pass rushing moves. How he wasnt leaning in around the corner on that ankle. He started to get more confidence in his second game and started to dig around the corner, good sign. But this was all gone over before, so i dont know why ur acting now like it wasnt

    and yes, u did say he sucked. U were saying it in preseason after games we watched him one arm stack tackles back into the Qb. I cant argye with u on ur point that a top tier qb makes more impact than a DE. On normal teams this is correct. On the browns, we ruin top level talents relentlessly. Our luck with qb's in the draft is Sheet

  • Unfortunately you can't blow this up.  Continuity, even bad, needs to happen.  Next year you evaluate Sashi & Co. and the following year you evaluate Hue & Co..

    @baconhound said:

    Unfortunately you can't blow this up.  Continuity, even bad, needs to happen.  Next year you evaluate Sashi & Co. and the following year you evaluate Hue & Co..

    I would flip those, but yes. 

    @browns149 said:

    We all know the front office sucks. The coaching is just as bad. 

    Why wait 3 years? 

    To show the next round of prospects we don’t have a hair trigger.